Main arguments against Angels (Gen 6)

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I do not argue any of that, but the regenerated spiritual body is fully human flesh and is what Adam was first created to be before the fall, only Adam was not in the final glory stage but was created for that, and the body is forever, whether one is righteous and resurrected to glory or wicked and resurrected to damnation.

I respectfully disagree.

However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 1 Corinthians 15:46-49

Our natural body is completely different from Christ's resurrected (spiritual) body. Our bodies were made from dust and to dust will they return, however, Christ's body was made from above.

Jesus rose from the dead and ascended in the same body of New Man creation human being flesh that He is come in, at the incarnation, and that body was the same image Adam was created in, as Genesis 1:26-28 and Romans 5:14 say, and as all the Scriptures say when God says He created Adam in His own image, for it is the bodily image the Son of Man in heaven was to come in, as God in flesh and is come in; and it is fully human.

Again, I respectfully disagree.

Jesus came in the same body as ours. He was made flesh and blood because only as a man could He die for our sins. It was only at His resurrection that Christ was given an immortal/spiritual body by the Father, thus becoming the first-fruits of those that sleep.

Anyway, if Christ did indeed come with an immortal body, how did the Romans manage to kill Christ's body at the cross?

Our body of resurrection is what Adam had at the beginning, for that is what the LORD came incarnate in, only without the glory, but sinless and incorruptible as second Man.
And angels look like human beings when they come to minister -only angels can also appear in other forms..



Jesus promised we will not lose a hair of our head in the resurrection.

Adam was made from dust. Our spiritual bodies will not be made from dust.
 
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Angels could not procreate. They had no seed in their loins. To get offspring, they took their own stem cells and gene spliced the Adam wives eggs, and got offspring that way.
They did fornicate because they had male organs in the bodies they could appear in, but they were not created to multiply their kind with seed within themselves; and the deed they did by splicing genes was against the Law of God and brought damnation on them forever.

Stem cells? Gene splitting? No offense, but were do you get this stuff?

Also, angels brought damnation upon themselves when they chose leave their own habitation and marry the daughters of man. Angels are not supposed to marry according to the word of God.
 
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Angels could not procreate. They had no seed in their loins. To get offspring, they took their own stem cells and gene spliced the Adam wives eggs, and got offspring that way.
They did fornicate because they had male organs in the bodies they could appear in, but they were not created to multiply their kind with seed within themselves; and the deed they did by splicing genes was against the Law of God and brought damnation on them forever.

What they did when they gene spliced was to put within the eggs of their Adam wives their own spirit which built bodies using the Adam genetic information mixed with the genetic information of their bodies they could appear in; and by their own spirit, those bodies were built.


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Genesis 6 in the Hebrew exposes that you are just making that up. You're just speaking, in a sense, ex cathedra.

The sons of God took (took/'seized passionately') the women of men, and with them, produced a hybrid race as a result. The Hebrew reveals a passionate sexual seizing by the angels.


You want to go from there? Your theory is based upon ignorance of what is revealed in the Hebrew. As long as we do not understand the Hebrew you have been free to speculate.


The real question is! Why were the angels created with the ability to procreate? WHY!?


Be that as it may. God had to destroy that hybrid race in the flood. If God did not? The promised seed of the woman could not happen and the Messiah could never be born.

Because of their super strength combined with a fallen nature, great evil was being produced on the surface of the earth. God had to wipe them all out. God gave mankind 120 to make up their minds which side they were going to be on. Only Noah and his family remained pure human race.

Now... There was no stem cell research going on. The Hebrew reveals passionate sexual desire.
 
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I believe Paul speaks clearly on what kind of bodies Christians will have after the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44

At the resurrection, our fleshly bodies will be transformed into spiritual bodies. Our glorified bodies will be like Jesus own resurrected body:


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As our bodies are now made of the elements of this earth - which will both perish; the resurrection body will be of the elements of Heaven. Imperishable. But that does not mean we will not be able to physically materialize. If not? How could the faithful believers reign on earth with Christ during the Millennium? They will be having their resurrection bodies at that time.

And, Jesus said that he would not drink of the new wine until he entered into His kingdom. We will eat and drink, as well. Its the type of substance of our bodies that will be different. Yet, we will be spirit beings as some here seem to be indicating by what they say, but spiritual beings who will be a able to materialize on earth. From heaven.
 
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As our bodies are now made of the elements of this earth - which will both perish; the resurrection body will be of the elements of Heaven. Imperishable. But that does not mean we will not be able to physically materialize. If not? How could the faithful believers reign on earth with Christ during the Millennium? They will be having their resurrection bodies at that time.

And, Jesus said that he would not drink of the new wine until he entered into His kingdom. We will eat and drink, as well. Its the type of substance of our bodies that will be different. Yet, we will be spirit beings as some here seem to be indicating by what they say, but spiritual beings who will be a able to materialize on earth. From heaven.

Are you aware that angels eat food in heaven, and yet, are not physical beings?

Yet he gave a command to the skies above and opened the doors of the heavens; he rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. Human beings ate the bread of angels; he sent them all the food they could eat. Psalm 78:23-25
 
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Are you aware that angels eat food in heaven, and yet, are not physical beings?

Yet he gave a command to the skies above and opened the doors of the heavens; he rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. Human beings ate the bread of angels; he sent them all the food they could eat. Psalm 78:23-25


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How could The Jews eat the bread of angels if it were not material that can be digested?

Its a different form of material bodies, but both are material. In God's plan angels can materialize and dematerialize. But, when they materialize they become very much a physical manifestation.

And... Angels can eat human food! It goes both ways.

Just look at Genesis 18! The angels that were to visit upon Sodom first appeared to Abraham. They sat and ate the food that was prepared before them. Fresh and organic, I might add.


6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”
7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.


All the vitamins, enzymes, and nutrients needed were supplied in that meal. The angels ate human food!
 
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As our bodies are now made of the elements of this earth - which will both perish; the resurrection body will be of the elements of Heaven. Imperishable. But that does not mean we will not be able to physically materialize. If not? How could the faithful believers reign on earth with Christ during the Millennium? They will be having their resurrection bodies at that time.

And, Jesus said that he would not drink of the new wine until he entered into His kingdom. We will eat and drink, as well. Its the type of substance of our bodies that will be different. Yet, we will be spirit beings as some here seem to be indicating by what they say, but spiritual beings who will be a able to materialize on earth. From heaven.
We will have material flesh bodies just like the body Jesus is in, since the incarnation.
Jesus walked on water and passed through the midst of those who wanted to toss His body off a cliff in the same body which He is come incarnate in, which body could not corrupt in three days and three nights while His soul and spirit were absent from it.
After His resurrection in that same body of incorruptible flesh, Jesus ate with the disciples and Apostles real food, and drank real drink.

Jesus is glorified, but the body of flesh is the same body He rose in, which He is come incarnate in, and we will be elementally morphosed to that same bodily image, and also glorified -but we will have our bodies that we now have, only elementally morphosed to the incorruptible.
 
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Are you aware that angels eat food in heaven, and yet, are not physical beings?

Yet he gave a command to the skies above and opened the doors of the heavens; he rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. Human beings ate the bread of angels; he sent them all the food they could eat. Psalm 78:23-25
The root Hebrew for the grain of heaven is a harvested and threshed grain. Angels gathered it in Mount Eden above and tossed it out the opened doors of heaven above to earth below for forty years.
 
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As our bodies are now made of the elements of this earth - which will both perish; the resurrection body will be of the elements of Heaven. Imperishable. But that does not mean we will not be able to physically materialize. If not? How could the faithful believers reign on earth with Christ during the Millennium? They will be having their resurrection bodies at that time.

And, Jesus said that he would not drink of the new wine until he entered into His kingdom. We will eat and drink, as well. Its the type of substance of our bodies that will be different. Yet, we will be spirit beings as some here seem to be indicating by what they say, but spiritual beings who will be a able to materialize on earth. From heaven.

The earth that will "perish" will be elementally transformed in a moment of time to the incorruptible and glorious state that it was created in the beginning, in.
It will forever be what the kingdom of God prepared for Adam from the beginning would have been if Adam had not fallen and got cast out of Paradise above. God planned to "plant the heavens" by having sons of God by making Adam male and female, for His glory to indwell as a temple not made with hands.

There was always the plan for the glorification of the human being sons of God after they lived their "day" of one thousand years, each.
 
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The root Hebrew for the grain of heaven is a harvested and threshed grain. Angels gathered it in Mount Eden above and tossed it out the opened doors of heaven above to earth below for forty years.

I was gonna ask you how you knew all that...but on second thoughts, never mind.
 
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I was gonna ask you how you knew all that...but on second thoughts, never mind.
A messianic Jew pointed it out once...it is threshed to get the grain separated from the chaff:
dagan : wheat, cereal, grain, corn.
I already knew that Eden is a solid place in the third heaven stretched out from earth on day 2 of creation week, where Paradise is -that is what the Word teaches, you know; and Adam was placed there in Paradise to tend the Garden of God, where food grew; and Adam could eat the food in the Garden in heaven above where Paradise is.


Food grows in Paradise. Paradise is in heaven. Paradise is in the third heaven.
 
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Stem cells? Gene splitting? No offense, but were do you get this stuff?

Also, angels brought damnation upon themselves when they chose leave their own habitation and marry the daughters of man. Angels are not supposed to marry according to the word of God.
You are right. Angels were not made to marry nor give in marriage, as Enoch revealed from the mouth of God the Great Glory in heaven. They rebelled and took wives of daughters of Adam and got offspring by mixing DNA in the eggs of their Adam wives, cutting out the Adam spirit and mixing the DNA of their own flesh, which flesh has its own kind of created spirit, as all flesh does.


Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun, and what is has already been done before, by those who came before us. They are mixing kinds again today by splitting genes -mixing DNA of kinds which God forbad.


In Genesis 6, we are told the sons of God took daughters of Adam and went into them and got offspring. In Enoch we are told they cut genes or genetic information in the "roots" to mix kinds.

They split genes today to mix kinds. Enoch and the book of Jasher and the Book of Giants in the DSS and the book of Jubilees all tell the same story, and Judges tells us of two "lion -el" mixtures slain by a man. Unfortunately, the English translators had long lost knowledge by the casting away of all ancient authority and did not know that a אֲרִיאֵל 'ariy'el "/lion-el" was a mixture of a [fallen] son of God and a lion.
2Sa 23:20 And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two אֲרִיאֵל 'ariy'el "/lion-el" of Moab: -The Hebrew says two lion-el of Moab.

Yemin/Emim dwelt in Moab, and the word means "terrors" -think "nightmare". Ana found terrifying mixed creatures in Moab,

http://www.christianforums.com/t7532226-5/#post56676805


They not only fornicated with daughters of Adam, but mixed DNA of their own flesh bodies they remained in, to sin in, and made monsters on earth and corrupted all flesh; which is why God cleansed the earth by the flood, saving only 8 souls and uncorrupted animals that God sent to Noah and his sons to take on the ark to preserve them into the next era of this creation.

God forbids it specifically, limiting all created kinds to multiplying by the seed created in them in the beginning.

But as Moses said: they also did that after the flood, meaning more angels fell and did the same, as the first angels who did it were chained in Sheol as a warning to the others not to do it, which Jude tells us.

My post from the same thread as the above link, reposted in the next reply as it is too large for here.
 
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My post from the same thread as the above link, reposted in the next reply as it is too large for here.
http://www.christianforums.com/report.php?p=56677230

http://www.christianforums.com/t7493818-6/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7493818-6/#post55651927
Gen 6:11
The earth also was perverted/corrupted before God, and the earth was filled with violence. Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his manner =his nature/ way upon the earth.

Jude 1:6, 7the angels left their own estate -natural habitation- and committed fornication with strange/alien flesh.

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims ="terrors".

The Terrors were mixed kinds of nephillim, being mixed with the el sons born of the daughters of Adam and beasts of the earth, like the lion el mixture nephillim emims, killed by a man, in Moab
1Ch 11:22
Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lion-el [mixture nephillim] אריאל 'ariy'el of Moab:
The sons of God did this wickedness before the flood and got chained in Sheol as a warning to other angels, says Jude, to warn them not to do this fornication, but others did do it after the flood [also after that flood, as Genesis 6 states; just as other men practiced sodomy after Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities of the plain got nuked as a warning to other men not to do that, says Jude], and those "after that flood, who did that" will suffer the fate that the warning was only a foretaste of. The final fate will be much worse.
Jasher 4:18 Jasher Chapter 4 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887
And their judges/the dan/ Watchers/angels/sons of God and rulers/ sars/princes who were angelic watchers over earth, went to the daughters of men/Adam and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men/Adam in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.
Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of the Giants -attributed to Enoch
1Q23 Frag. 1 + 6 [ . . . two hundred] 2donkeys, two hundred asses, two hundred . . . rams of the] 3flock, two hundred goats, two hundred [ . . . beast of the] 4field from every animal, from every [bird . . . ] 5[ . . . ] for miscegenation [ . . . ]

4Q531 Frag. 2 [ . . . ] they defiled [ . . . ] 2[ . . . they begot] giants and monsters [ . . . ] 3[ . . . ] they begot, and, behold, all [the earth was corrupted . . . ] 4[ . . . ] with its blood and by the hand of [ . . . ] 5[giant's] which did not suffice for them and [ . . . ] 6[ . . . ] and they were seeking to devour many [ . . . ] 7[ . . . ] 8[ . . . ] the monsters attacked it.
What Anah found in the wilderness Emims/Yimim/terrors/nephillim of mixed animal/el/human kinds:
Jasher 36:
families of the sons of Esau according to their dukedoms in the land of Seir.
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And these are the names of the sons of Seir the Horite, inhabitants of the land of Seir, Lotan, Shobal, Zibeon, Anah, Dishan, Ezer and Dishon, being seven sons.
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And the children of Lotan were Hori, Heman and their sister Timna, that is Timna who came to Jacob and his sons, and they would not give ear to her, and she went and became a concubine to Eliphaz the son of Esau, and she bare to him Amalek.
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And the sons of Shobal were Alvan, Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Onam, and the sons of Zibeon were Ajah, and Anah, this was that Anah who found the Yemim in the wilderness when he fed the asses of Zibeon his father.
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And whilst he was feeding his father's asses he led them to the wilderness at different times to feed them.
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And there was a day that he brought them to one of the deserts on the sea shore, opposite the wilderness of the people, and whilst he was feeding them, behold a very heavy storm came from the other side of the sea and rested upon the asses that were feeding there, and they all stood still.
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And afterward about one hundred and twenty great and terrible animals came out from the wilderness at the other side of the sea, and they all came to the place where the asses were, and they placed themselves there.
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And those animals, from their middle downward, were in the shape of the children of men, and from their middle upward, some had the likeness of bears, and some the likeness of the keephas, with tails behind them from between their shoulders reaching down to the earth, like the tails of the ducheephath, and these animals came and mounted and rode upon these asses, and led them away, and they went away unto this day.
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And one of these animals approached Anah and smote him with his tail, and then fled from that place.
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And when he saw this work he was exceedingly afraid of his life, and he fled and escaped to the city.
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And he related to his sons and brothers all that had happened to him, and many men went to seek the asses but could not find them, and Anah and his brothers went no more to that place from that day following, for they were greatly afraid of their lives.
The Septuagint translated the word "jamin". The Hebrew word was not unknown, rather, the translators were biased by unbelief, and didn't believe their own eyes, about what it said.


  1. And these are the sons of Sebegon; Aïe, and Ana; this is the Ana who found Jamin in the wilderness, when he tended the beasts of his father Sebegon.
The word is from אָיֹם terrible, dreadful. Plural Emims = "terrors".
Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims/-אימים'Eymiym .

So the yemim/jamin is just a variation of spelling of a branch of the giants born after the flood, who were "terrible", and who dwelled in Moab.
 
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We will have material flesh bodies just like the body Jesus is in, since the incarnation.

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Why do you say that? Are you sure of that? If you are? You must be able to back it up with Scripture. Do so.



Jesus walked on water

So did Peter. Resurrection body?



esus is glorified, but the body of flesh is the same body He rose in, which He is come incarnate in, and we will be elementally morphosed to that same bodily image, and also glorified -but we will have our bodies that we now have, only elementally morphosed to the incorruptible.


Jesus was not yet glorified immediately after he rose from the dead. That would not happen until after he ascended back to Heaven. He was resurrected at that point having a body equivalent most likely as if Adam was given the right to eat from the tree of life. A body still of this earth.

But, he ascended later on.. Then he was glorified!


John 7:38-39

He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit was given only weeks after his ascension. Because, then he had been by then glorified!


Right after the resurrection he was not yet glorified. His human body could no longer die, but when he was glorified he was transformed into possessing a heavenly body. One that is higher than the bodies angels possess. His body is a new creation.

1 Corinthians 15:47
Complete Jewish Bible

The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven.


You must base your opinion upon what the Word actually states.
 
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How could The Jews eat the bread of angels if it were not material that can be digested?

Its a different form of material bodies, but both are material. In God's plan angels can materialize and dematerialize. But, when they materialize they become very much a physical manifestation.

And... Angels can eat human food! It goes both ways.

Just look at Genesis 18! The angels that were to visit upon Sodom first appeared to Abraham. They sat and ate the food that was prepared before them. Fresh and organic, I might add.


6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”
7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.


All the vitamins, enzymes, and nutrients needed were supplied in that meal. The angels ate human food!

True. True.:thumbsup:
 
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Angels could not procreate. They had no seed in their loins. To get offspring, they took their own stem cells and gene spliced the Adam wives eggs, and got offspring that way.
They did fornicate because they had male organs in the bodies they could appear in, but they were not created to multiply their kind with seed within themselves; and the deed they did by splicing genes was against the Law of God and brought damnation on them forever.

What they did when they gene spliced was to put within the eggs of their Adam wives their own spirit which built bodies using the Adam genetic information mixed with the genetic information of their bodies they could appear in; and by their own spirit, those bodies were built.

For that reason, their offspring were damned as bastards -illegitimate . That is what the term bastard means in God's eyes.
BTW: the final man of sin is called a bastard in the ancient writings, and all Adam had God as a father by creation and all Adam is the direct creation of God who made them as seed in the loins of the first Adam and wrote all their parts and numbered their days in the Book of Life.
No Adam seed come to fruit is ever called a bastard by God, but the nephilim are truly illegitimate and damned. For the reason their bodies were got unlawfully, they will never get those bodies back and cannot be redeemed.

All Adam, OTOH, will rise in their own bodies, whether to eternal Life and glory or eternal death in the Lake of Fire because Jesus ransomed their bodies from the first death and they, by their own choosing to reject His Salvation, then will be cast away in their own bodies into the Lake of Fire. They are then called never dying worms, because they can never be changed to be a son of God and glorified.

Today is the day of Salvation for all the sons of Adam. While it is today, He is calling every one of us to come to Him. The choice is ours to seek Him who calls and who died to ransom us, or to be forever cast aways; but He that seeks finds, and He will not cast away anyone who comes to Him.

I honestly tried to stay away from this thread. But this post ....well I'll just say it does not come up lacking in imagination.

Its a MADHOUSE! (Planet of the Apes, 1968) - Edited - YouTube
 
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Angels could not procreate. They had no seed in their loins.

That is true, they'd only create demigods, and that would be far more evident in human history. Giants are trivial to that detail.

Angles are definitively not human. They are a completely different species, and the same goes for demons. They are not like us.
 
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Why do you say that? Are you sure of that? If you are? You must be able to back it up with Scripture. Do so.


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Jesus is come in flesh of New Man creation. His flesh that He is come in is the same kind of flesh =human being- that Adam was made in. In fact: Adam was made in the image of God, bodily, and that image was the bodily image of Him who was to come, and is come, and who is God the Word.
Genesis 1:26-28 -made in the image of God.
God has one image, and that is the person of God the Word who is come in flesh, and that flesh He is come in is what Adam was made in: Romans 5:14.

The New Man flesh is in the bodily likeness of sinful Adam, but without sin.

His New Man flesh body is not made of corrupted dust, but from the elementally morphosed dust. His body had nothing of sin in it which means corruption. In Him was life, and He laid that life down of His own free will and took the same up again.

The same body He is in now is the same body of incorruptible flesh that He has worn since the incarnation. He is risen in the same, complete with the scars of our ransom price.
He is ascended and glorified, but the same body is glorified that He rose from the dead in, and ate in.
He is the second Man, and He is from heaven, meaning that the body prepared in the womb brand new as a Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam was a new creation, but He is the Living Spirit come to live in that flesh body and nature, which He donned like we would don a garment: Isaiah 59: YHWH put on the garment of Salvation, which is the Kinsman/Redeemer body, and He died in it, rose in it, ascended in it, and is glorified in it.
What He is come to ransom us back for is what we lost in the fall of Adam.



He is returning in the garment of Salvation [Kinsman/Redeemer flesh] prepared in the womb for His donning [Isaiah 59; Jeremiah 31:22], in which He died and rose, ascended and is glorified in:
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture/garment baptized in blood/death: and his name is called The Word of God.

In His body He eats; and we will eat with Him in heaven in our own elementally transformed and glorified bodies which are composed of the same elements of creation that we are made of now, but they will be elementally dissolved and regenerated, without corruption.

The difference in our present Adam flesh bodies and the Israel flesh bodies of regeneration will be that we shall be in bodies just like Adam was created in, but without sin.
The sin nature is the Adam nature, and that will be gone when we have the bodies of adoption.


We will have no missing parts to our bodies and they will be our own that we now wear, with the same pattern for them written in the book of Life, with all our parts made according to His one plan for our body, which was written there before we were created in the loins of the first father, Adam.

We will not desire to marry or give in marriage because the bodies will have changed as to the "time of life" and the hormones God created in us have a shut off valve and there will be no more seed of Adam made to multiply the Adam anymore; and so the sign of circumcision will be fulfilled totally -in the 8th day, which is the New Beginning.

Adam was made in the same image of God that the Son of Man is come in, and that same image He is come in is the same image Adam was made in. He said so many times in the Word.

Corruption entered the entire creation and the entire creation will be elementally dissolved and regenerated in a moment of time; and no corruption anymore, but returned to the state it was all created in, in the beginning.

Adam was in heaven, set there to rule earth, in his created body of flesh, and Adam was set in the third heaven which is where Paradise is. Read about that.

Only after the flesh of Adam became defiled by the corruption of it was Adam cast down and out of Paradise and not allowed to enter in -and he lost the Glory covering.

Jesus came without the Glory covering but without sin and without corruption because of sin.
Jesus is fully human, fully flesh, and fully wears His body in which He is our "Everlasting Father" by adoption, in.


To deny that Jesus is come in flesh "present tense", is the spirit of anti-Christ.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

The Adam flesh cannot inherit eternal life, but even the Adam flesh will be resurrected for every human being who has never repented, because Jesus died to make an end of the transgression of our first father -from whose loins we have come- and every soul in Adam is now free to come into Life by the Atonement. Even if they refuse the Life, they still get the body back to live in forever, in the Lake of Fire, because Jesus died for every soul who ever was written in the Book of Life, to redeem them back, for the Glory.

Adam lost the Glory, which is the shame of our nakedness and is why we wear clothes to cover the shame of the loss of our glory as sons of God.
 
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Jesus is come in flesh of New Man creation. His flesh that He is come in is the same kind of flesh =human being- that Adam was made in. In fact: Adam was made in the image of God, bodily, and that image was the bodily image of Him who was to come, and is come, and who is God the Word.

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Jesus was born as Adam had been originally created from the hand of God. Both of their bodies had no sin nature. Both had human bodies. of this earth.

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Genesis 1:26-28 -made in the image of God.


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We are getting off into another teaching. What was *created* in Genesis 1, was created 'out from nothing.' Its the human soul that was created in God's image. In Genesis 2, God does not create man out from nothing. What the Lord did was to form and mold out from the elements of the earth a body. A body that that previously created soul was breathed into the nostrils of that molded and formed body. It does not say the body was in God's image. Its our soul, not the body.

The rest you went off into looks like you took good notes from some teacher who is maybe pulling your leg, but is most likely sincere. But, not doctrinal. Other than the rest of your post being way too much to address at once? I will stop here.
 
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