Women after a baby

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I really don't know much about this apart from snippets of information, but I think after having a baby you are not allowed enter the church for 40 days. Can anyone tell me why this? My first reaction when I learnt of this years ago was to feel really hurt at God not wanting me to come to a place of worship if I had a baby and then I heard that the reason is that apparently you are filled by "evil spirits" which I found ludicrous...maternity hospitals would be a cesspit of possessed women!
 

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Hello, Chirp!
It's obvious that women are not filled with evil spirits after having a baby.
Of course God wants the mothers to be close to Him. Pregnant women are allowed to take communion even if they were not allowed before because of some sins they had committed.

The Church has a service which is held 40 days after the birth and prepares the mother for taking communion. It is done before entering the Church.
But I think that during that time, the mother would be extremely busy and tired and the child would take her whole free time, anyway.
There are some links if you are interested (in Romanian):
Randuieli dupa nasterea copilului
Ierurgiile privitoare la nasterea si botezul pruncilor
 
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Well, in the second link it says that the baptism should not take place before the 40 days unless the baby is sick and might die.
The reason why it is this 40 days time I think has to do with the changes to the mother's body and not with evil spirits.
Your priest should know more about it. :)
 
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Yes I also heard something like that. Medically it takes about 6 weeks i.e. 42 days for the uterus etc...to return to normal but for some women things may not go back to normal for months so it doesn't completely make sense. I think I've so many questions I'd drive them insane :confused:
 
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It's more like an excused absence:) Most priests I know are less concerned about the 40 days and more concerned that the mother is fully recovered and ready to come back - if the mother is ready at 30 days, then that's fine...they do the service at 30 days. 40 generally represents a period, fully completed. Counting number is not the point.
 
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It's more like an excused absence:) Most priests I know are less concerned about the 40 days and more concerned that the mother is fully recovered and ready to come back - if the mother is ready at 30 days, then that's fine...they do the service at 30 days. 40 generally represents a period, fully completed. Counting number is not the point.

What he said.
We have rules and reaons for them; we acknowledge exceptions. Legalism is antithetical to us.
 
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The 40 day tradition is FANTASTIC! In "less-developed" cultures women tradtionally have a 40-day recovery period. In Asia, they keep you super warm and feed you seaweed soup. In Africa, you stay in your home and emerge with the baby in a parade to the town square. Your mother, sisters, aunts, cousins, friends, etc take care of your home while you bond, nuture the child, get nursing off to a good start, and the child matures a little, develops some immunities from colostrum and milk, and you settle down a little in physical recovery in terms of hormonal changes, bleeding, swelling, tears, etc. The Amish still do this. It could be called a "babymoon," if we really did it in our culture.

The Church keeps this tradition, too, even in a time when our culture does not support the new mother and new baby's needs. It is a relieving of responsibility and a recognizing of the unique nature of this "fourth trimester" postpartum period, not a statement of the woman's worth or spiritual status. A 40 day tradition is a wise and wonderful thing, and it is to the detriment of our mothers that we DONT practice a real 40 day rest in "modern" culture. Postpartum depression, stress, breastfeeding failure, etc all happen in increased rates when we don't give our mothers 40 days to focus only on herself and her newborn.
 
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Yes I also heard something like that. Medically it takes about 6 weeks i.e. 42 days for the uterus etc...to return to normal but for some women things may not go back to normal for months so it doesn't completely make sense. I think I've so many questions I'd drive them insane :confused:

Metaphysics. When women become pregnant they cease to menstruate and partake in creation. They are elevated to a higher heavenly realm to complete the divine act. The ancients gave 40 days after birth for the women to return back to the earthly realm. (Some say approx 40 days for menstruation to return). Once the woman has returned to the mortal life she presents her new creation, the new anthropos to the Church militant, that is to the kingdom of God on earth.
 
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It's more like an excused absence:) Most priests I know are less concerned about the 40 days and more concerned that the mother is fully recovered and ready to come back - if the mother is ready at 30 days, then that's fine...they do the service at 30 days. 40 generally represents a period, fully completed. Counting number is not the point.

Thanks! :)

The 40 day tradition is FANTASTIC! In "less-developed" cultures women tradtionally have a 40-day recovery period. In Asia, they keep you super warm and feed you seaweed soup. In Africa, you stay in your home and emerge with the baby in a parade to the town square. Your mother, sisters, aunts, cousins, friends, etc take care of your home while you bond, nuture the child, get nursing off to a good start, and the child matures a little, develops some immunities from colostrum and milk, and you settle down a little in physical recovery in terms of hormonal changes, bleeding, swelling, tears, etc. The Amish still do this. It could be called a "babymoon," if we really did it in our culture.

The Church keeps this tradition, too, even in a time when our culture does not support the new mother and new baby's needs. It is a relieving of responsibility and a recognizing of the unique nature of this "fourth trimester" postpartum period, not a statement of the woman's worth or spiritual status. A 40 day tradition is a wise and wonderful thing, and it is to the detriment of our mothers that we DONT practice a real 40 day rest in "modern" culture. Postpartum depression, stress, breastfeeding failure, etc all happen in increased rates when we don't give our mothers 40 days to focus only on herself and her newborn.

Yeah I agree I think in "developed" societies there can often be way too much pressure placed on a new mother in terms of juggling everything on top of having a new baby. I've heard of maternity leave lasting as little as 3 weeks!


Metaphysics. When women become pregnant they cease to menstruate and partake in creation. They are elevated to a higher heavenly realm to complete the divine act. The ancients gave 40 days after birth for the women to return back to the earthly realm. (Some say approx 40 days for menstruation to return). Once the woman has returned to the mortal life she presents her new creation, the new anthropos to the Church militant, that is to the kingdom of God on earth.


Hadn't heard this point of view before, thanks! :)


So just one other question, what would happen if a woman were to enter a church before the 40 service? My mom was telling me that when she was going for hers she couldn't even enter the church which was closed to look for the priest and had to stand outside until she could find someone to go in and ask the priest to come out. If it has nothing to do with a woman's worth or being in some way poorer in spiritual status why can you not even step inside the church to tell the priest you are there?
 
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So just one other question, what would happen if a woman were to enter a church before the 40 service? My mom was telling me that when she was going for hers she couldn't even enter the church which was closed to look for the priest and had to stand outside until she could find someone to go in and ask the priest to come out. If it has nothing to do with a woman's worth or being in some way poorer in spiritual status why can you not even step inside the church to tell the priest you are there?

The priests in my immediate region in the heart of Russia wouldn't bat an eye if you stepped into their church. I can imagine monasteries where such canons might be more strictly and literally enforced, but lay parishes? Don't think so.
 
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The Church keeps this tradition, too, even in a time when our culture does not support the new mother and new baby's needs. It is a relieving of responsibility and a recognizing of the unique nature of this "fourth trimester" postpartum period, not a statement of the woman's worth or spiritual status. A 40 day tradition is a wise and wonderful thing, and it is to the detriment of our mothers that we DONT practice a real 40 day rest in "modern" culture. Postpartum depression, stress, breastfeeding failure, etc all happen in increased rates when we don't give our mothers 40 days to focus only on herself and her newborn.

Our culture doesn't support it? I thought that's what maternity leave is... Every woman I've known (and some men) take leave after their kids were born.
 
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I took like ten days of paternity leave! LOL

Our culture doesn't support it? I thought that's what maternity leave is... Every woman I've known (and some men) take leave after their kids were born.
 
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Our culture doesn't support it? I thought that's what maternity leave is... Every woman I've known (and some men) take leave after their kids were born.

I took like ten days of paternity leave! LOL

Well Gurney, last I heard, you are in the public sector.

The private sector (which covers most of us slobs) does not profit from such family holidays, and so discourages them, though certainly some of the bigger fish offer such leave as a perk. The rule is that for most people, leave is mostly at your expense. This seems reasonable, but I've come to see the entire arrangement, right down to our dependence on employers for wages as anti-family.
 
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You didn't hear that I quit my job and started cooking meth with a former student? I renamed myself Heinsenberg and I'm cooking blue meth out of a Winnebago out in the desert. :p

Well Gurney, last I heard, you are in the public sector.

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You didn't hear that I quit my job and started cooking meth with a former student? I renamed myself Heinsenberg and I'm cooking blue meth out of a Winnebago out in the desert. :p

No, I didn't. Sounds like a bad break...
;)
 
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LOL! Well I didn't intend anything bad to happen at first, but after I killed Tuco and Gus Fring, things got pretty weird! LOL

No, I didn't. Sounds like a bad break...
;)
 
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