Understanding With 100% Certainty

Just The Facts · Dec 2, 2013

Hi Precepts

How could a Kingdom that was not even around kill the prophets?

ebedmelech · Dec 2, 2013

Biblewriter said:
I did, and that is why I understand that God has unconditionally promised Israel that she will be restored to her ancient homeland. Anyone who denies this is calling God a liar.

No God didn't. Your dispensational theology teaches that...but is that true???

What you do...is ignore what "Israel" God is speaking of...did you tear Isaiah 65 and Hosea 2 out of your Bible? God's Israel includes ALL WHO ARE IN CHRIST.

IF YOU BELONG TO CHRIST YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS!!! Your theology erroneously says this only applies to salvation...yet in Philippians 3:3 Paul says:
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

Why do you ignore the sound teaching of the apostles revealing the OT in the NT.

Here's Jesus for you also in John 10:16:
16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Interesting how even Jesus says ONE...NOT TWO..and He NEVER spoke of Israel being restored NOT ONCE. WHY? Because He walked in restored Israel.

Now lastly...when Jesus pronounced Jerusalem desolate..how could it EVER be anything again? Even with 1948 it means NOTHING to Jesus.

The focus is the Jerusalem above!

precepts · Dec 2, 2013

ebedmelech said:
Originally Posted by precepts:
How can the city not be the point when it's the city that's built on the 7 heads/hills that's being referred to as the harlot, the woman sitting on the beast, the 7 heads/hills (Rev 17:18). The city isn't the 7 heads/hills. That's the Beast. The Beast is described in two ways in Revelation. He's the beast the harlot/city rides on, and he's the 8th king of the city/harlot (Rev 17:11) on the 7 heads/hills. The Beast out of the bottomless pit is this 8th king that rules in the city built on the 7 heads/hills. He's also the actually land of the 7 hills because he's the actually beast with the 7 heads/hills. The harlot is called mystery Babylon in Rev 17:5 because she is the city built/riding on the 7 hills/heads of the Beast. Israel is not riding or is built on 7 heads/hills belonging to the Beast out of the bottomless pit. The Beast out of the bottomless pit isn't an 8th king reigning in the city Shalem built on the 7 hills/head. That city is Rome. The Beast out of the bottomless pit reigns in the city that's built on his hills/heads representing his 10 crowns contrary to the Dragon's 10 horns but only 7 crowns. This is the "great city" that rules over the kings of the earth in Rev 17:18. All the horns on the 7 headed beast represents the 1st 10 kings/horns of this city. Shalem has no kings since the Greek era of the Maccabes.

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Precepts...all I'm going to say here is do a search on "harlot through the prophets...and count how many times it refers to Israel/Judah.

I don't have to do anything. You're purposely ignore the fact that proves Israel isn't the city/harlot/woman.

The Beast out of the bottomless pit reigns in the city that's built on his hills/heads

Shalem has no kings!

ebedmelech said:
Has nothing to do with it. All you have is two images that show Israel. God NEVER calls the false religion a harlot...HE CALLS ISRAEL/JUDAH harlots for worshiping them. Something you really need to check out in prophecy. It cannot be Rome.

The spirit of rebellion is as witchcraft.

ebedmelech said:
Not foolish...insightful. The beast is Rome...it's the woman riding the beast that is the subject here. The beast becomes the subject in verse 8.

Originally posted by precepts:
The Beast is described in two ways in Revelation. He's the beast the harlot/city rides on, and he's the 8th king of the city/harlot (Rev 17:11) on the 7 heads/hills. The Beast out of the bottomless pit is this 8th king that rules in the city built on the 7 heads/hills. He's also the actually land of the 7 hills because he's the actually beast with the 7 heads/hills.

I know you're not that ignorant to not comprehend the fact. Shalem has no kings! The woman/city that rides him is the city built there, Rome.

The truth is an offense to some, and by their fruits you will know them. Test the spirits! :preach:

ebedmelech said:
Nope Daniel 7:9 is Jesus. I think you made and error there.

The thrones cast down for God's throne is the ten kings in Rev 17:12's.

ebedmelech said:
Nope...no spell. There's and OT prophecy there in Revelation 18:7 which says:
7 To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, I sit as a queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.

You're not ignorant.

ebedmelech said:
That is Isaiah 47:7 where God is speaking through Isaiah of Babylon which Israel/Jerusalem typifies here. You are told that in Rev 17:18:
18 The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.

The reason why Rev 13's 1st beast has the mouth of the Lion (Babylon), the feet of the Bear (Persia/Media), and was like a leopard (Greece), because Mystery Babylon in Revelaton is Rome. :preach:

The great city we last see in Revelation 11:8:
8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

The same verse that I said could be misinterpreted as Shalem because the traditonal definition is Christ was crucified in Shalem, but guess what? Shalem is a city. Apostate Israel isn't, but she still rides the beast in Rev 17:10 eventhough theirs no kings ruling during that time. Sounds logical to me.

ebedmelech said:
I think I'm on firm ground scripturally.

Scripturally in your mind.

I now scriptures well enough to know God said Israel wouldn't go unpunished when all the nations were to be punished, but he also said he would not do away with them forever. Verses some use today to justify a non christian Israel. God said that after Israel was restored he would punish those who touched Israel because Israel was/is the apple of his eye.

Jer 30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
Jer 30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.
Jer 30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.
Jer 30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.
Jer 30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.
Jer 30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.
Jer 30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
Jer 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
Jer 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
Jer 30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.
Jer 30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

Rome is one of these four nations that's punished.

precepts · Dec 2, 2013

Just The Facts said:
Originally posted by precepts:
Between the four kingdoms mentioned in Dan 7, I would say Rome since it's the 4th and last kingdom to do so, and because that's the only kingdom left to do so after Christ's resurrection. Revelation's jugdement against Babylon is Rome's fall.

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Hi Precepts

How could a Kingdom that was not even around kill the prophets?

Which kingdom is that? And I believe the words used in Revelation is the blood of the saints.

ebedmelech · Dec 2, 2013

precepts said:
I don't have to do anything. You're purposely ignore the fact that proves Israel isn't the city/harlot/woman.

The Beast out of the bottomless pit reigns in the city that's built on his hills/heads

Shalem has no kings!

The spirit of rebellion is as witchcraft.

I know you're not that ignorant to not comprehend the fact. Shalem has no kings! The woman/city that rides him is the city built there, Rome.

The truth is an offense to some, and by their fruits you will know them. Test the spirits!

The thrones cast down for God's throne is the ten kings in Rev 17:12's.

You're not ignorant.

The reason why Rev 13's 1st beast has the mouth of the Lion (Babylon), the feet of the Bear (Persia/Media), and was like a leopard (Greece), because Mystery Babylon in Revelaton is Rome.

The same verse that I said could be misinterpreted as Shalem because the traditonal definition is Christ was crucified in Shalem, but guess what? Shalem is a city. Apostate Israel isn't, but she still rides the beast in Rev 17:10 eventhough theirs no kings ruling during that time. Sounds logical to me.

Scripturally in your mind.

I now scriptures well enough to know God said Israel wouldn't go unpunished when all the nations were to be punished, but he also said he would not do away with them forever. Verses some use today to justify a non christian Israel. God said that after Israel was restored he would punish those who touched Israel because Israel was/is the apple of his eye.

Rome is one of these four nations that's punished.

OK. That's fine for you.

precepts · Dec 3, 2013

Rebellion is as witchcraft, and the way to overcome the antichrist spirit is with the truth. They can't digest it.

The Beast out of the bottomless pit reigns in the city that's built on his hills/heads. Shalem has no kings.

Checkmate!

Just The Facts · Dec 3, 2013

Hi precepts

Well if you believe that.................. you are wrong.

24: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

You also seem to be under the false belief that OT is only prophets and NT is Saints.

Hosea:11:12: Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

So let me see if I understand your position. Your Position is Rome is the city.

So you believe

1. Rome killed the prophets.
2. Rome Killed the Saints. (this I agree Rome killed many Saints)
3. Rome is responsible for everyone slain on Earth from the beginning(the term slain refers to death in war or execution)

precepts · Dec 3, 2013

Just The Facts said:
Hi precepts

Well if you believe that.................. you are wrong.

24: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

You also seem to be under the false belief that OT is only prophets and NT is Saints.

Hosea:11:12: Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

So let me see if I understand your position. Your Position is Rome is the city.

So you believe

1. Rome killed the prophets.
2. Rome Killed the Saints. (this I agree Rome killed many Saints)
3. Rome is responsible for everyone slain on Earth from the beginning(the term slain refers to death in war or execution)

Originally posted by precepts:
The Beast is described in two ways in Revelation. He's the beast the harlot/city rides on, and he's the 8th king of the city/harlot (Rev 17:11) on the 7 heads/hills. The Beast out of the bottomless pit is this 8th king that rules in the city built on the 7 heads/hills. He's also the actually land of the 7 hills because he's the actually beast with the 7 heads/hills. The harlot is called mystery Babylon in Rev 17:5 because she is the city built/riding on the 7 hills/heads of the Beast. Israel is not riding or is built on 7 heads/hills belonging to the Beast out of the bottomless pit. The Beast out of the bottomless pit isn't an 8th king reigning in the city Shalem built on the 7 hills/head. That city is Rome. The Beast out of the bottomless pit reigns in the city that's built on his hills/heads representing his 10 crowns, contrary to the Dragon's 10 horns but only 7 crowns. This is the "great city" that rules over the kings of the earth in Rev 17:18. All the horns on the 7 headed beast represents the 1st 10 kings/horns of this city. Shalem has no kings since the Greek era of the Maccabes.

What's written in Revelation and called Mystery Babylon, Rome the city. The cup in the hand of the harlot is where the blood of the saints and prophets are found, as described in Revelation. It's the city of Rome that's connected to the Beast from the bottomless pit, falling. There both falling at the same time together, the Dan 7's 4th beast's 10 to 11 horns and the Beast and false prophet in Rev 19:20, the two beast in Rev 13. They fall together because they're one, the reason for Dan 7:11.

The Beast is the 8th king and the false prophet the 11th Kings in the city of Rome. They have shed the blood of the prophets and the saints because they are part of the fallen angels that fell with Satan. These fallen angels are the beasts that rise out of the sea when released, the 4th and 6th seals, to kill men. This is why Mystery Babylon, the city of Rome containing the Beast and the False Prophet, are said charged with killing the sainst and the prophets on the earth. :pray:

Scripture and prophecy aren't literal. They're parabolic.

Just The Facts · Dec 3, 2013

Hello precepts

Is this the harlot of rev 17 before Jesus is born.

Isa 23:17: And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

precepts · Dec 3, 2013

Just The Facts said:
Hello precepts

Is this the harlot of rev 17 before Jesus is born.

Isa 23:17: And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

Why would it be? Because it's called a harlot?

ptomwebster · Dec 3, 2013

Just The Facts said:
Who killed the prophets?

Yes, Kenites have always been among the people that killed the prophet and have been the instigators of it.

Just The Facts · Dec 3, 2013

HI

Do you not think it has to be. Unless you think there are two harlots that will deceive every nation on earth.

precepts · Dec 3, 2013

Isa 23:17: And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

Where does it say that?

Just The Facts · Dec 3, 2013

Hi precept

Ahhh I will make it larger. Isaiah before God says the harlot SHALL deceive all nations...SHALL ...future tense

Isa 23:17: And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

Now Revelation 17 after the Kings HAVE...past tense

2: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication..........................................18: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

precepts · Dec 4, 2013

That's two different timelines, though the world's cities and civilizations can be divided into either the worship of God or false religion as fornication belonging to the fallen angels, the whole then world was judged by God when Nebuchaddnezzar conquered them during that time when this message was given. This was God's judgement on all the wicked in the earth. This was the cup in God's hand that all nations had to drink, and Babylon would be the last to drink, Mystery Babylon Rome.

Revelation is geared at Rome, the city built on the heads/hills of the Beast itself because he was also the scriptural 8th king of the city. This is all tied in to Nebuchadnezzar's reign over the world during the fall of Tyre because, believe it or not, Nebuchadnezzar is the Beast.

Isa 14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
Isa 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

This, recorded in the time of Nebuchadnezzar, is the Armageddon; when the Beast is slain with the sword, and Satan is bound for his 1,000 yrs. Satan and the Beast (Nebuchadnezzar) are addressed as one person here (the King of Babylon) because it's prophecying about the Armageddon again, when Satan gives his power to the Beast to attack the heavenly Shalem before he's thrown out of heaven and bound.

Mystery Babylon being Rome, the 8th and 11th kings fall, which is the fall of Dan 7's 4th beast kingdom with the ten horns, the 4th beast. The rest of the beasts have their dominion taken away but their lives spared for a season and a time, Dan 7:12. These remaining beasts are the remainder of the 11th horn's, aka the false prophet, the 2nd beast in Rev 13 with the two horns, his remaining 5th kingdom that lasts until the end of the world.

Mystery Babylon is the Beast that's being addressed as the city of Rome and her first 11 kings as the 4th kingdom. Notice the parallels between Babylon's OT fall and Revelation's:

Jer 51:41 How is Sheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!
Jer 51:42 The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.
Jer 51:43 Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby.
Jer 51:44 And I will punish Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up: and the nations shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall.
Jer 51:45 My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.
Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler.
Jer 51:47 Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her.
Jer 51:48 Then the heaven and the earth, and all that is therein, shall sing for Babylon: for the spoilers shall come unto her from the north, saith the LORD.
Jer 51:49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.
Jer 51:50 Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind.
Jer 51:51 We are confounded, because we have heard reproach: shame hath covered our faces: for strangers are come into the sanctuaries of the LORD'S house.
Jer 51:52 Wherefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will do judgment upon her graven images: and through all her land the wounded shall groan.
Jer 51:53 Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
Jer 51:54 A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
Jer 51:55 Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
Jer 51:56 Because the spoiler is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, every one of their bows is broken: for the LORD God of recompences shall surely requite.
Jer 51:57 And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.
Jer 51:58 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary.
Jer 51:59 The word which Jeremiah the prophet commanded Seraiah the son of Neriah, the son of Maaseiah, when he went with Zedekiah the king of Judah into Babylon in the fourth year of his reign. And this Seraiah was a quiet prince.
Jer 51:60 So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
Jer 51:61 And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
Jer 51:62 Then shalt thou say, O LORD, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.
Jer 51:63 And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates:
Jer 51:64 And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far are the words of Jeremiah.

I had to print all the verses so you could see the similiarities and get a greater understanding:

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
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Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
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Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

This is the same thing done by the high priest Sera-h in J-r 51:63. This is what Revelation is geared at, the Beast, Babylon. :priest:

Just The Facts · Dec 4, 2013

Hi precepts

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That's two different timelines, though the world's cities and civilizations can be divided into either the worship of God or false religion as fornication belonging to the fallen angels, the whole then world was judged by God when Nebuchaddnezzar conquered them during that time when this message was given. This was God's judgement on all the wicked in the earth. This was the cup in God's hand that all nations had to drink, and Babylon would be the last to drink, Mystery Babylon Rome.
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Ahhh precepts read Isaiah 23 it says after 70 years. That means After Neby's rule. Neby's rule lasted 70 years then the media Persian empire conquered all the empire.

What Isaiah 23 say is this. After Babylon falls ie 70 years the harlot of Tyre will pass over to Kittim and then from there it will be come the harlot to every kingdom on the face of the earth.

It is not a different time line. There are not two harlots that every Kingdom will be seduced by. The harlot of Babylon and Tyre is the harlot of Rev 17...........there is only one harlot and she has deceived all nations.

I do not disagree that the harlot now rides the beast/kingdom of the revised Roman Empire.

You are just failing to understand the true scope of the harlot. First off she is a Woman that makes her not a place but a form of worship a belief system. In Scripture a woman is always the belief system of a people represented by the central city of its earthly Kingdom's power base. She is a belief system and that is why she can move from Sidon to Kittim.

Second she is the mother of all false worship "Mother of Harlots" and since she was around long before Rome that means she is not Rome.

The Beast she rides is revised Rome not the Woman. The Woman is the false worship, The Beast is the Kingdom/King. She is represented by the city at the centre of that Kingdom. In Rv: 17 that city is Rome

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Revelation is geared at Rome, the city built on the heads/hills of the Beast itself because he was also the scriptural 8th king of the city. This is all tied in to Nebuchadnezzar's reign over the world during the fall of Tyre because, believe it or not, Nebuchadnezzar is the Beast.
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Yes I have heard this nonsense before. I am a bit amazed that you understand the involvement of the fallen Angels and yet fail to understand that the Beast is Azazel the leader of the Fallen Angels and the King of the Demons in the pit.

Read Enoch Azazel is the Beast locked in the pit that gets out at the end and cast into the lake of fire. He is the leader of the Fallen Angels. He is known by mankind post flood as the god Baal/ Osiris/ Mithras and a prolifera of other names. He is the God of War and Forces / Armies spoken of in Daniel 11: he spoke to Constantine from the clouds.

precepts · Dec 4, 2013

The scriptures is of no private interpretation. Your problem is reading comprehension. The harlot doesn't move to Kittim. Something tells me you know this, but like others, you get your kicks playing with the truth. The fornication commited with the nations is commerce. It's not a herd of harlots moving to Kittim to set up a harlot house in Rome to ride the beast.

precepts · Dec 4, 2013

When I spend too much time posting undisputable facts, connecting the dots, though I do it for the innocent readers, and I qet reactions that totally ignore the facts. I can only draw one conclusion. Either you're stupid, of which I believe you're not, or you playing the fool, the spirit of antichrist.

Just The Facts · Dec 4, 2013

Hi precepts

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The scriptures is of no private interpretation. Your problem is reading comprehension. The harlot doesn't move to Kittim. Something tells me you know this, but like others, you get your kicks playing with the truth. The fornication commited with the nations is commerce. It's not a herd of harlots moving to Kittim to set up a harlot house in Rome to ride the beast.
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Please spare me your self righteous nonsense. It is you who has trouble trusting the plain words of God because it does not fit your private interpretation. You espouse the doctrine of Demons introduced in the 20th century and propagated through a lack of understanding and twisting and ignoring of scripture that is truly staggering.

Kittim is Asia Minor where the Seven Churches are. Where we know Satan's throne is. Not in Rome as you twist and misdirect people to your pack of lies.

You display this complete and utter lack of understanding with statements such as quoted above. Isaiah 23 and the harlot of Tyre he fornication is with commerce do you mean like this

Rv18:10: Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11: And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:12: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13: And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

You are a fine demonstration of just how ignorance can be dangerous.

carry on

precepts · Dec 4, 2013

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