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I am interested in the Catholic faith (Universal Church). I know it was the first church, but has it changed since Jesus' time?

Who wrote the Catechism? The sacraments?

Where did the extra (or maybe not extra, I don't know) tradition and seemingly different style of worship come from?

How can the Pope claim to be infallible in matters of doctrine? I know scripture says that the church has the final say in matters of scripture (or something like that), I presume the Universal Church (Catholic?).

Correct me if I'm wrong, and feel free to answer my questions. I am not here to debate, but to learn.

I am protestant, but would like to know more about the first Church.

Is it cool if I have a pint and hang out in here, and learn?
 

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Hey, dude, I'm, like, a "false teacher" and a sign of the apocalypse, and a satanist, and a deceiver, and I willfully twist scripture to try to deny that anything that feels good is a sin, or so I'm told... and they put up with *me*. :)
 
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Today at 10:05 PM seebs said this in Post #2 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=645838#post645838)

Hey, dude, I'm, like, a "false teacher" and a sign of the apocalypse, and a satanist, and a deceiver, and I willfully twist scripture to try to deny that anything that feels good is a sin, or so I'm told... and they put up with *me*. :)

:D I should be ok then. :p


They didn't tell you that did they? You nice catholics wouldn't do that would you?


Besides these guys like to have a pint or two and have rational discussions. :)
 
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Curiously, I don't think any Catholics have made such claims about me; it often seems to me that the faith they have that their church is the "true" church gives them confidence enough that they don't feel the need to attack everyone else. The strongest attacks seem to come from smaller churches, or from churches with a lot of internal doctrinal disputes.
 
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First of all, welcome to the fullness of Christianity!
for independent study, may I suggest www.newadvent.org ? (if you haven't already been there) now let's get to work...

Today at 06:02 AM GTX said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=645835#post645835)

I am interested in the Catholic faith (Universal Church). I know it was the first church, but has it changed since Jesus' time?

Who wrote the Catechism? The sacraments?

Where did the extra (or maybe not extra, I don't know) tradition and seemingly different style of worship come from?

How can the Pope claim to be infallible in matters of doctrine? I know scripture says that the church has the final say in matters of scripture (or something like that), I presume the Universal Church (Catholic?).

Correct me if I'm wrong, and feel free to answer my questions. I am not here to debate, but to learn.

I am protestant, but would like to know more about the first Church.

Is it cool if I have a pint and hang out in here, and learn?

Some changes are necessary as man's needs change. Homilitical and pastoral styles and certain practices (such as clothing and languages) have evolved over the centuries. However, In matters of Dogma, once one is made. It can NEVER be changed. Ironically, throughout history, there have been some really currupt popes. However, these men though they had the ability to do tremendous doctrinal harm, were typically too absorbed in temporal matters to bother with the church. For the Faithful catholic this is yet another indication of God's keeping of his promise to protect his church. However, If you look at the early church and it's liturgy, you'll be amazed just how little has changed in over 2000 years.

The word catechism actually means "guide". There have actually been numerous catechisms over the centuries. The current latest one I believe was commissioned by the latest ecumenical council of bishops (Vatican II).
It is also noteworthy to mention that though Catechisms may come and go, they are bound to the dogma and doctrine of the church as set forth by the Holy See. (The Holy See is the Church leadership located in Rome)

As for the Sacraments, they are actually instituted by Christ himself.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13295a.htm#III

As for the (capitol "T") Tradition of the church, it actualy preceeded the bible itself. Tradition refers roughly to the body of teachings which the church holds and maintains which accompany sacred scripture and the Magisterium.

GK Chesterton said:
"Catholics have been accused of hiding the bible. This is of course untrue. However if it were true, It would pale in comparison to the protestant reformation which successfully hid everything else!"

The seemingly different style worship is actually not diferent at all. It's the secularized version of contemporary worship of protestantism which is "different". However, I need to state that newer charasmatic, and contemporary methods of worship are not intrinsically wrong or sinful by virtue of their existence.

As for Papal infallibility, this widely misunderstood aspect of Catholicism is very complicated and only applies to matters of Doctrine. In fact, it is important to note that in the over 2000 years of the church's existence, no Dogma has ever been rescinded or otherwise changed from it's original meaning. That alone is tremendous when you factor in the centuries of curruption which the church has endured.

I would also like to quickly explain one reason the early church is called "catholic". As you likely know, the word catholic means "universal" or "for all". If you study salvation history however, this is unique. The first Covenant God made was with Adam and Eve, next came Noah, then Abraham, after that Isreal, Moses, and David. If you notice, each time, a covenant was broken, the one that replaces it grows. starting with the two people of adam and eve, then Noah's family, to Abraham's, growing eventually to David's Kingdom. Then Jesus delivers the 7th and final Covenant which is universal or "CATHOLIC". You should note how the 7 covenants mirror the 7 days of creation, 7 sacraments, etc...

well, I'm done rambling for now...
:wave:
 
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Today at 02:33 AM GTX said this in Post #5 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=645949#post645949)

I see.

So I can expect a warm welcome in here?

Hi Catholics.

Wanna talk about the Church? I do.

Hi. :) You must have come in after I went to bed. You are certainly welcome here. The pub is always open and pints are on the house. ;)

I'm sure that more people will be along soon to help you out with anything you might want to know, though ABliever did a great thumbnail explanation. :) Have you looked over the FAQ's at the top of the forum? There's some good info in there, and I also recommend the New Advent site that ABliever gave you.


Peace be with you! :wave:


edited because I have suddenly developed online myopia and can't tell one poster from another...DOH!
 
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Today at 01:02 AM GTX said this in Post #1

I am interested in the Catholic faith (Universal Church). I know it was the first church, but has it changed since Jesus' time?

Who wrote the Catechism? The sacraments?

Where did the extra (or maybe not extra, I don't know) tradition and seemingly different style of worship come from?

How can the Pope claim to be infallible in matters of doctrine? I know scripture says that the church has the final say in matters of scripture (or something like that), I presume the Universal Church (Catholic?).

Correct me if I'm wrong, and feel free to answer my questions. I am not here to debate, but to learn.

I am protestant, but would like to know more about the first Church.

Is it cool if I have a pint and hang out in here, and learn?

GTX, Peace be with you.

Welcome!&nbsp; You should find many of the answers to your questions here.&nbsp; Forgive me for not addressing them here, but we could fill volumes just answering those few questions you posed!&nbsp;

Browse around some, check out the FAQs at the top, do some keyword searches and then start a thread for each question that you have.&nbsp; That way it is more likely to remain on topic and better address the questions.&nbsp; Also, take not of books that people talk about, quote or otherwise mention and consider going directly to those sources.&nbsp; As a life-long Catholic, I learn things in here all the time.&nbsp; Most importantly, pray for guidance.

Bless you for your openness and for seeking to learn.&nbsp; I look forward to trying to help you on your journey (as, I am sure, many others do).&nbsp;

Don't be shy about asking questions.&nbsp; If you think they may be offensive or otherwise, ask them anyway.&nbsp;

God Bless and stay safe.
 
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Today at 05:24 AM ZooMom said this in Post #9 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=646136#post646136)

I'm sure that more people will be along soon to help you out with anything you might want to know, though nyj did a great thumbnail explanation. :) Have you looked over the FAQ's at the top of the forum? There's some good info in there, and I also recommend the New Advent site that nyj gave you.

I think Zoomom was just looking at the avatar's :)

Though I would like to take credit for helping out GTX, it wasn't me but A_B_liever (who has a similar avatar/icon as myself). :)

Though, now that I am here I'd like to welcome both to the forum.

Yo GTX and A_B_liever :wave:
 
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Yesterday at 03:13 PM nyj said this in Post #14 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=646329#post646329)

I think Zoomom was just looking at the avatar's :)

Though I would like to take credit for helping out GTX, it wasn't me but A_B_liever (who has a similar avatar/icon as myself). :)

Though, now that I am here I'd like to welcome both to the forum.

Yo GTX and A_B_liever :wave:


hey NYJ, I meant to commend you on the rare and impeccable taste in choice of Avatar. :clap:
I think that Avatar is indicitive of a deep intellect and probably rugged good looks.
:D
 
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