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Aman777 · Nov 22, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, They were not only man like, but could produce children with Adam's descendants. Genesis 6:4

One problem with that. The angels did not come from the sea.

Dear Dad, I agree. The sons of God (prehistoric man) did, accoding to Genesis 1:21 AND Science. Since the fallen angels are bound in chains under the Earth, when did they have children with Humans? Answer: they did NOT....Scripturally.

BTW, they were created and brought forth from the water and not the Sea.

So what...a lagoon??

No. Water. Genesis 1:21

This agrees with today's Science which shows that the cells within our body cannot live without liquid water.

Foolishness. We can't live without air either, does this mean we come from air?

Jesus made EVERYTHING from the air, dust, and water since those are the three creation elements He had to work with.

Some CLAIM that the sons of God were the offspring of the fallen Angels and humans, but this is refuted Scripturally by the Scriptural Fact that Jesus tells us the Angels do NOT marry nor are given in marriage Mat 22:30 and they are reserved in chains under the earth, Jud 1:6 thus could not have appeared in Job.

Others claim they were not fallen.

UnScriptural as this shows:

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Just because angels do not marry as we do, doesn't mean they could not be sexual does it? Heck, Solomon didn't marry as we do! We do not know enough about angels to start claiming all the stuff you do.

Are you claiming that God released them from their chains so they could have children with Angels? UnScriptural, unless you can do a better job of connecting fallen Angels with Humans.

Cain married one of these people and passed the human intelligence of Adam to their descendants.

You do not know who Cain married. If you had said 'I think' he may have married a swamp thingie...maybe you would have sounded somewhat better.

Sorry, but I don't compromise what is actually written. No where does Scripture say that people came from the swamp.

Genesis 4 shows that Cain's descendants had agriculture, tent building, smelting and other traits of today's Humans.

Irrelevant.

It is relevant to the Scriptural fact that the sons of God and Adam's descendants produced offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4 It happened on our Planet when Noah's grandsons married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

Adam ate fruit and had babies with Eve as we do. he talked as we do. Noah built a boat as we do...etc. In no way does making a tent or having brains mean that some water spawned man like creature had to be our dad!!! That is truly foolish, as well as against soundness of mind, and the bible.

Adam and his direct descendant Noah were HUMANS with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water. Cain's descendants farmed, built tents, and had bronze with NO evolution, showing that they had inherited the superior intelligence of Adam, the first Human who had an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22

Genesis 3:22 tells us that Adam had the ability to know both

good and evil which ONLY God has.

Baloney. We are made in His image.

Only those who have been born again Spiritually are made in Christ, who IS the image of the invisible God. Col 1:15 Adam was made in the Image of Jesus BUT people who were brought forth from the water (prehistoric man) did NOT inherit Adam's superior intelligence level.
Adam had the mind of God because he was meant to live forever, and will, in the third heaven. Today, we call this ability, Human intelligence.

False. The current intelligence is bad in large measure, making it nothing like God! Being smart is not what makes us live forever. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] people and even evos can live forever if they just get saved!!

Amen. This shows that God KNEW Adam would sin before He made him. In order to fill the third heaven with perfect people, the numbers could only be increased IF Adam sinned. Again, Genesis 3:22 shows that Adam and God knew both good and evil which NO creature made from the water knows.

Genesis 6:4 shows that when you mix the sons of God with the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) mighty men, men of renown are produced. This verse shows that this happened on Adam's Earth and prophecies "and also after that", and the prophecy was fulfilled on our Planet when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry.

Lie. Noah's kids had lots of opportunity to multiply. The sons of god are generally thought to be angels. I agree. In the case of Job, the sons of god came to present themselves before God...Satan was among them. So I guess that could include the fallen sons. But sorry...no creatures from the water.

Again, you are claiming that the fallen Angels were released from their prison to have sex (which Angels don't have) with Humans. BTW, people made from the water did NOT have Adam's intelligence level and had lived for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. This refutes the Lies of evolutionism.

Scripture shows that Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry, just like Cain.

Lie.

Ok. Then tell us WHO they married. If you think it's their sisters, then show it Scripturally. You cannot because it's nothing more than the Religion of ancient men. IF you think it's the fallen Angels, then show us this Scripturally. You cannot.

The first Earth was destroyed in the flood and NOT the present heaven and earth.

This means what? Either the people on the earth this earth, died or not.

NO people on this Earth died. The first world, the world of Adam, was where everyone died. God told Noah that He was going to destroy the violent people of the first Earth "with the Earth". Genesis 6:13 In the New Testament ll Peter 2:5 tells us that God:2Pe 2:5 "spared not the old world,"

You are confusing everyone dying on the first earth with our earth which has NEVER suffered a Global Flood. Here is the Scriptural proof:

Gen 10:1 ¶Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

Not eben remotely connected, let alone proof of your cultish fable.

False Accusation from someone who CANNOT support their religion with Scripture.

They married and produced children with the prehistoric people whose bones are found on our Planet for millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

That is a dream. Just because we have some bones in the ground in no way means that it was your extra creation swamp babies!!!

Then tell us WHO the people who left their bones were. I don't think you can.

It's the Truth since the theology of ancient men was wrong. Try to make the traditional religious story agree with Scripture. You cannot.

?? You lost it? Oh I sure can. Not even a challenge.

Then go ahead and show us HOW and WHEN prehistoric man inherited the Human intelligence of Adam.

Today's Humans are the combination of Adam's descendants and the sons of God, who were brought forth from the water on our Planet.

Vacuous claim.

Not so, since I support my view with Scripture, Science, and History and you CANNOT.

Then you must tell us WHERE we got the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes. Scripture does, but you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your view.
Easy. Show us this common ancestor?

What in blazes are you talking about? If you mean the transfer of ERVs, that did not require offspring in the former time

ERVs are tranferred only in the birth process. Tell us HOW the ERVs could have gotten inside our bodies apart from sex.

Proof is shown because today's Humans have the unique human intelligence of Adam,

Absurd. God never said...'Adam, only you will be smart, and have hair, and 2 feet, and speak...etc etc'
God made us with brains. This is news? Not just Adam.

Show us where prehistoric man had brains like Adam's, Scripturally. You cannot. Remember that Adam FARMED with no evolution. After Billions of years, Farming began on our Planet exactly where Noah arrived. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Amen. We have inherited the human intelligence of Adam. We also lost most of our lifetime because human blood was contaminated with creatures whose origin was in the water exactly as God told us. That is WHY we have the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve.

Utter insanity and not even remotely related to science or the bible.

Weak, since I have already posted Scripture which shows that our lifetimes were CUT by 90% when humans married prehistoric people. Genesis 6:4

Then tell us what Genesis 6:4 is saying to YOU.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

It seems to say angels had sex with women and had babies.

Have you noticed that the New Testament calls born again Christians the "sons of God". Could it be because prehistoric man was INNOCENT, (because he had no idea of good and evil), just as born again Christians are considered INNOCENT, because Jesus died for us who knew good and evil?

This will also be confirmed when we travel into Space and find prehistoric people whereever we find liquid water. Comments?

Speculation.

Then tell us what we will do during the thousand year reign of Christ, in our Cosmos. Some think we will play harps in the clouds. What about you?

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 22, 2013

Aman777 said:
Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Dad, They were not only man like, but could produce children with Adam's descendants. Genesis 6:4

Right, babies grow up that way generally. You are in an unknown zone there. Did the babies angels produced with woman grow up to be able to reproduce? How would we know?? For all we know, then only the descendants of Adam existed in the DNA. You can't build a house on conjecture. You are on a need to know basis, and were not told hardly anything, yet you come off trying to sound like you were briefed by God. No.

Dear Dad, I agree. The sons of God (prehistoric man) did, accoding to Genesis 1:21 AND Science. Since the fallen angels are bound in chains under the Earth, when did they have children with Humans? Answer: they did NOT....Scripturally.

?? What does chained angels under the earth have to do with sons of god up here that married?

BTW, they were created and brought forth from the water and not the Sea.

Says who?? Angels came from earth water now??? Come on man.

No. Water. Genesis 1:21
This agrees with today's Science which shows that the cells within our body cannot live without liquid water.

Jesus made EVERYTHING from the air, dust, and water since those are the three creation elements He had to work with.

Gong. He made the stars also and the sun. Are they part of the air on earth??? Absurd.

Some CLAIM that the sons of God were the offspring of the fallen Angels and humans, but this is refuted Scripturally by the Scriptural Fact that Jesus tells us the Angels do NOT marry nor are given in marriage Mat 22:30 and they are reserved in chains under the earth, Jud 1:6 thus could not have appeared in Job.

Who cares if they were married long ago? In some way, how they marry, if they marry, is not like how sinful man now marries! The context of the verse that says angels do not marry as we do had to do with multiple wives. So, the answer was that angels do not pick one as we do here and now apparently. I do not take that to mean they do not have sex. But we don't really know, so stop making claims!

UnScriptural as this shows:

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

False. SOME fallen spirits are down, others are in space, and others on earth.

Sorry, but I don't compromise what is actually written. No where does Scripture say that people came from the swamp.

Great so be clear what water on earth you mean. We now see you claim it was not a swamp or a sea! Keep us posted!

It is relevant to the Scriptural fact that the sons of God and Adam's descendants produced offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4 It happened on our Planet when Noah's grandsons married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

You seem to be suggesting your mystery water spawned thingies survived the flood!!!?

Adam and his direct descendant Noah were HUMANS with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water.

Show us a verse that says God later created man like things in the water? Creepy.

Cain's descendants farmed, built tents, and had bronze with NO evolution, showing that they had inherited the superior intelligence of Adam, the first Human who had an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22

You seem to think Cain had a wife from somewhere other than from a daughter of Eve? No. Prove it.Only those who have been born again Spiritually are made in Christ, who IS the image of the invisible God. Col 1:15 Adam was made in the Image of Jesus BUT people who were brought forth from the water (prehistoric man) did NOT inherit Adam's superior intelligence level.

Amen. This shows that God KNEW Adam would sin before He made him. In order to fill the third heaven with perfect people, the numbers could only be increased IF Adam sinned. Again, Genesis 3:22 shows that Adam and God knew both good and evil which NO creature made from the water knows.

False. Adam had a choice.

Again, you are claiming that the fallen Angels were released from their prison to have sex (which Angels don't have) with Humans.

Nope. There are angels good and bad that are not in that particular place.

Scripture shows that Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry, just like Cain.

False. Never seen any such scripture.

Ok. Then tell us WHO they married. If you think it's their sisters, then show it Scripturally. You cannot because it's nothing more than the Religion of ancient men. IF you think it's the fallen Angels, then show us this Scripturally. You cannot.

Sisters. Duh.

The laws against incest came in THIS state...later.

NO people on this Earth died. The first world, the world of Adam, was where everyone died. God told Noah that He was going to destroy the violent people of the first Earth "with the Earth". Genesis 6:13 In the New Testament ll Peter 2:5 tells us that God:2Pe 2:5 "spared not the old world,"

You are confusing everyone dying on the first earth with our earth which has NEVER suffered a Global Flood. Here is the Scriptural proof:

Gen 10:1 ¶Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

Of course Noah and sons had kids after the flood. They were commanded to multiply..so????

Then tell us WHO the people who left their bones were. I don't think you can.

I would say any human bones are present state, or after the days of Peleg. No need to invoke imaginary foolish creatures spawned from water.

Then go ahead and show us HOW and WHEN prehistoric man inherited the Human intelligence of Adam.

Any time they were born!!!What you think Adam had [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] kids only??

Not so, since I support my view with Scripture, Science, and History and you CANNOT.

You babble on about weird and totally unbiblical nonsense. Why?

ERVs are tranferred only in the birth process.

Now, yes. Not then! You cannot impose present day life processes on the former state where for example we really lived almost a 1000 years.

Tell us HOW the ERVs could have gotten inside our bodies apart from sex.

Easy. Lots of ways. How does a cold now get around? Even if some things are transmitted via sex, so? They had lots of that too. Whether the 'viri' could transfer (then) in air or water, or by touch, or etc we don't know now.

Show us where prehistoric man had brains like Adam's, Scripturally.

Get serious.

Aman777 · Nov 22, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, They were not only man like, but could produce children with Adam's descendants. Genesis 6:4

Right, babies grow up that way generally. You are in an unknown zone there. Did the babies angels produced with woman grow up to be able to reproduce? How would we know?? For all we know, then only the descendants of Adam existed in the DNA. You can't build a house on conjecture. You are on a need to know basis, and were not told hardly anything, yet you come off trying to sound like you were briefed by God. No.

Dear Dad, I support what I write with Scripture. Human babies were NOT produced by Angels, and you cannot support that view with Scripture.

Dear Dad, I agree. The sons of God (prehistoric man) did, according to Genesis 1:21 AND Science. Since the fallen angels are bound in chains under the Earth, when did they have children with Humans? Answer: they did NOT....Scripturally.

?? What does chained angels under the earth have to do with sons of god up here that married?

Angels have NOTHING to do with the sons of God. That is the point, unless you can show us Scripturally that they did produce babies with human women. You and I both know that you cannot.

BTW, they were created and brought forth from the water and not the Sea.

Says who?? Angels came from earth water now??? Come on man.

The sons of God moved and "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day according to Genesis 1:21. Angels were NOT created from the water, and I have never said that they were.

No. Water. Genesis 1:21

This agrees with today's Science which shows that the cells within our body cannot live without liquid water.

Jesus made EVERYTHING from the air, dust, and water since those are the three creation elements He had to work with.

Gong. He made the stars also and the sun. Are they part of the air on earth??? Absurd.

God (Trinity) created the heaven (Heb-air) and the earth (Heb-ground) and the water came from the air BEFORE the first Day. Genesis 1:1-2 Jesus, the Light, came into the physical world on the FIRST Day and took the air, ground, and water, which God had made and made EVERYTHING which exists in the physical world. John 1:3

The Stars and the Sun, like everything else, is composed of these 3 creation elements. Add fire or life, from Jesus, and all living creatures, were brought into being. No need to make everything from the air, as you suggest.

Some CLAIM that the sons of God were the offspring of the fallen Angels and humans, but this is refuted Scripturally by the Scriptural Fact that Jesus tells us the Angels do NOT marry nor are given in marriage Mat 22:30 and they are reserved in chains under the earth, Jud 1:6 thus could not have appeared in Job.

Who cares if they were married long ago? In some way, how they marry, if they marry, is not like how sinful man now marries! The context of the verse that says angels do not marry as we do had to do with multiple wives. So, the answer was that angels do not pick one as we do here and now apparently. I do not take that to mean they do not have sex. But we don't really know, so stop making claims!

It's you who is suggesting that Angels produced humans. Jesus tells us the story of a woman who married a man with seven brothers. All seven had the woman but NONE of them produced children. The Sadducees were asking whose wife she would be in Heaven. Jesus said:

Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

UnScriptural as this shows:

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

False. SOME fallen spirits are down, others are in space, and others on earth.

I am speaking of the Angels who were cast down from Heaven and bound in chains under darkness. Also, I don't believe you can show Scripture where Spirits are fallen. This would mean that God made a mistake when He "created" them Spiritually, which is impossible.

Sorry, but I don't compromise what is actually written. No where does Scripture say that people came from the swamp.

Great so be clear what water on earth you mean. We now see you claim it was not a swamp or a sea! Keep us posted!

I have Never claimed Angels were made with water on Earth. God had plenty of water from the air which He created BEFORE the first Day.

It is relevant to the Scriptural fact that the sons of God and Adam's descendants produced offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4 It happened on our Planet when Noah's grandsons married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

You seem to be suggesting your mystery water spawned thingies survived the flood!!!?

Prehistoric man, whose origin was in the water on our Planet, survived the Flood because it was NOT on this Earth. The world of Adam is the one which was destroyed in the Flood. Planet Earth has NEVER suffered a Global Flood and there is NO evidence that it did. Again, you are confused.

Adam and his direct descendant Noah were HUMANS with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water.

Show us a verse that says God later created man like things in the water? Creepy.

I have shown you this before. Genesis 1:21 states that EVERY living creature that moveth was created and brought forth from the water. Prehistoric man moveth, as his fossils clearly show.

Cain's descendants farmed, built tents, and had bronze with NO evolution, showing that they had inherited the superior intelligence of Adam, the first Human who had an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22

You seem to think Cain had a wife from somewhere other than from a daughter of Eve? No. Prove it.

Adam was made the 3rd Day (Genesis 2:4-7) and the sons of God were made from the water on the 5th Day (Genesis 1:21). Eve was made the 6th Day (Genesis 2:22) When Cain killed Abel, he went to the land of Nod and knew his wife and they had a son named Enoch. With your view, where did the wife come from IF not from the water, just as prehistoric people came from the water on our Planet Earth, and left bones all over our Planet.

Only those who have been born again Spiritually are made in Christ, who IS the image of the invisible God. Col 1:15 Adam was made in the Image of Jesus BUT people who were brought forth from the water (prehistoric man) did NOT inherit Adam's superior intelligence level.

Amen. This shows that God KNEW Adam would sin before He made him. In order to fill the third heaven with perfect people, the numbers could only be increased IF Adam sinned. Again, Genesis 3:22 shows that Adam and God knew both good and evil which NO creature made from the water knows.

False. Adam had a choice.

True, but God KNEW what Adam's choice would be. That is WHY Eve was made AFTER all the other creatures were made. Jesus knew that she would be tempted and He also knew that Adam would sin when Eve fell and lost her Shekinah Glory, which prevented her nakedness from showing. Like today's humans who give up kingdoms, life, liberty, and even Great Churches, in lust of a woman.

Again, you are claiming that the fallen Angels were released from their prison to have sex (which Angels don't have) with Humans.

Nope. There are angels good and bad that are not in that particular place.

But none of them have sex according to Jesus, as I showed previously.

Scripture shows that Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry, just like Cain.

False. Never seen any such scripture.

Then show us the daughters of Noah or ANY of his female children. You cannot without adding to what is written.

Ok. Then tell us WHO they married. If you think it's their sisters, then show it Scripturally. You cannot because it's nothing more than the Religion of ancient men. IF you think it's the fallen Angels, then show us this Scripturally. You cannot.

Sisters. Duh.

Duh is not chapter and verse, which you cannot provide.

The laws against incest came in THIS state...later.

The laws you speak of were made by men. God knows that to produce children with close relatives causes mental and physical problems. Tell us WHY He would start mankind with such a disability. I don't think you can.

NO people on this Earth died. The first world, the world of Adam, was where everyone died. God told Noah that He was going to destroy the violent people of the first Earth "with the Earth". Genesis 6:13 In the New Testament ll Peter 2:5 tells us that God:2Pe 2:5 "spared not the old world,"

You are confusing everyone dying on the first earth with our earth which has NEVER suffered a Global Flood. Here is the Scriptural proof:

Gen 10:1 ¶Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

Of course Noah and sons had kids after the flood. They were commanded to multiply..so????

My point is that Noah didn't have daughters for his sons to have sex with. Like Cain, on the first world, they married and passed the human intelligence of Adam to the prehistoric people of Planet Earth. It's HOW we evolved our human intelligence. It's the ONLY way to inherit the superior human intelligence which only God and Adam had.

Then tell us WHO the people who left their bones were. I don't think you can.

I would say any human bones are present state, or after the days of Peleg. No need to invoke imaginary foolish creatures spawned from water.

Gobbledegoop. Prehistoric man came forth from the water as God commanded, on this Earth AND the Earth of Adam. This is WHY we will find prehistoric people throughout the present Universe.

Then go ahead and show us HOW and WHEN prehistoric man inherited the Human intelligence of Adam.

Any time they were born!!!What you think Adam had [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] kids only??

Prehistoric man lived for some 6 Billion years BEFORE Noah arrived and passed Adam's human intelligence to them. That is WHY we have human intelligence and the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes, within our bodies. We did NOT evolve from Apes since Adam was made some 9 Billion years before the common ancestor of Apes.

Not so, since I support my view with Scripture, Science, and History and you CANNOT.

You babble on about weird and totally unbiblical nonsense. Why?

It's weird only to those who believe the theology of ancient men. Those who know the scientific Truth and historic Truth that we have learned in the past 3k years can recognize the Scriptural Truth which God told us in Genesis. It's PROOF of God.

ERVs are tranferred only in the birth process.

Now, yes. Not then! You cannot impose present day life processes on the former state where for example we really lived almost a 1000 years.

ONLY Adam's descendants on the FIRST Earth lived that long. AFTER mankind mixed with prehistoric people, Human lifetimes were cut by 90%.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Tell us HOW the ERVs could have gotten inside our bodies apart from sex.
Easy.

Lots of ways. How does a cold now get around? Even if some things are transmitted via sex, so? They had lots of that too. Whether the 'viri' could transfer (then) in air or water, or by touch, or etc we don't know now.

ERVs come along with genetic changes and NOT from outside, but from inside the bodies of living beings. Colds come from Viruses.

Show us where prehistoric man had brains like Adam's, Scripturally.

Get serious.

You should be getting the idea that I am serious. I have studied the Creation story for more than 30 years and I know WHY you are confused. It's because you accept the Theology of ancient men instead of what is actually written. That is good because that is the way it is supposed to be. By FAITH, you accept the Creation story, but the traditional, religious, story does NOT agree with scripture. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

stevevw · Nov 22, 2013

I'm not sure if they were some special breed of angle and man. All i know is that up until Noah and the flood the Lord had declared the whole of mankind to be corrupt and they had got to a point where only Noah and his family were righteous before God.

As with Sodom and Gomorrah God said he would destroy them for their sin. But Abraham pleaded with god if their were any righteous living there that he would spare the city. He got down to 10 people and God said he would spare the cities if there were 10 righteous people there. As it turned out Lot and his family were the only ones saved.

So the whole cities were deemed unrighteous and beyond redemption, they were not going to turn. They had reached a point of no return and sin had consumed the cities. So this is the same with the pre flood people. They had got to a point of sinning and they were not going to turn. Only Noah and his family were righteous before God.

The people that lived before the flood were like anyone, maybe they became a savage race and became unrecognizable as far as humans look and act. But they were humans as they had sinned and if they had sinned and could have been saved then they would have been in the same position as Sodom and Gomorrah and us today..

Aman777 · Nov 23, 2013

stevevw said:
I'm not sure if they were some special breed of angle and man. All i know is that up until Noah and the flood the Lord had declared the whole of mankind to be corrupt and they had got to a point where only Noah and his family were righteous before God.

Dear steve, Humans have never been good. ONLY God is good, Matthew 19:17 which means that ONLY God is perfect. There are NONE righteous, no not one, Romans 3:10, except Jesus. Noah was accepted by God because of His faith, since he was obviously a drunk. EVERY man in the Bible is flawed and that is WHY we all need a Savior. David was a murderer, but he was a man after God's own heart because of his Faith.

As with Sodom and Gomorrah God said he would destroy them for their sin. But Abraham pleaded with god if their were any righteous living there that he would spare the city. He got down to 10 people and God said he would spare the cities if there were 10 righteous people there. As it turned out Lot and his family were the only ones saved.

Lot is also known as old sorry Lot since he had sexual relations with his own daughters and produced children which are in the line to Jesus.

So the whole cities were deemed unrighteous and beyond redemption, they were not going to turn. They had reached a point of no return and sin had consumed the cities. So this is the same with the pre flood people. They had got to a point of sinning and they were not going to turn. Only Noah and his family were righteous before God.

The people that lived before the flood were like anyone, maybe they became a savage race and became unrecognizable as far as humans look and act. But they were humans as they had sinned and if they had sinned and could have been saved then they would have been in the same position as Sodom and Gomorrah and us today..

The ONLY way to be accepted by God is to be in God, or in Christ, since one MUST be sinlessly perfect in order to get to Heaven. That is WHY Jesus said, Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

It's the secret of Eternal Life.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 23, 2013

stevevw said:
I'm not sure if they were some special breed of angle and man. All i know is that up until Noah and the flood the Lord had declared the whole of mankind to be corrupt and they had got to a point where only Noah and his family were righteous before God.

Correct. Invoking aliens even if they supposedly came from water is not something the bible teaches at all.

As with Sodom and Gomorrah God said he would destroy them for their sin.

Guess that city was actually full of those evil water spawed people, so God had to use fire!

(kidding)

So the whole cities were deemed unrighteous and beyond redemption, they were not going to turn. They had reached a point of no return and sin had consumed the cities.

In modern times, we can look at the US for an example.

dad · Nov 23, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Dad, I support what I write with Scripture. Human babies were NOT produced by Angels, and you cannot support that view with Scripture.

So what do you think the poor babies of those sons of god were?

Dear Dad, I agree.

Why say dear? Obviously you agree on nothing.

The sons of God (prehistoric man) did, according to Genesis 1:21 AND Science. Since the fallen angels are bound in chains under the Earth, when did they have children with Humans? Answer: they did NOT....Scripturally.

False. Angels willl fall to earth in the end, they sure ain't fallin from below the earth! Jesus cast demons out...they were right here on earth. You fail.

Angels have NOTHING to do with the sons of God.

That is your opinion, period.

Ge 6:2 -That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Job 1:6 -Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. " 6. sons of God--angels (Job 38:7; 1Ki 22:19). They present themselves to render account of their "ministry" in other parts of the universe (Heb 1:14). "
Job - Chapter 1 - Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary on StudyLight.org

"1:6 Now there was a day when the k sons of God came to present themselves l before the LORD, and Satan m came also among them.

(k) Meaning the angels, who are called the sons of God because they are willing to execute his will."

Job - Chapter 1 - Geneva Study Bible on StudyLight.org

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]This is generally understood of the angels, as in (Job 38:7) "

Job - Chapter 1 - Verse 6 - The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible on StudyLight.org

"[/FONT]As kings, therefore, transact their most important affairs in a solemn council or assembly, so God is pleased to represent himself as having his council likewise; and as passing the decrees of his providence in an assembly of his holy angels. "

Job - Chapter 1 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org

"
sons of God
This scene is in heaven. Cf. Job 2:1-7."

Job - Chapter 1 - Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition) on StudyLight.org

No water spawned babies flew to heaven for a council. Really. Get over it.

The sons of God moved and "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day according to Genesis 1:21. Angels were NOT created from the water, and I have never said that they were.

Here is the text..

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

In no way can one claim that some man like creature is part of the creation of this day, that had to do with the sea creatures, and birds!

The rest of your long post I skip. My best advice...quit pretending to know stuff.

Aman777 · Nov 23, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, I support what I write with Scripture. Human babies were NOT produced by Angels, and you cannot support that view with Scripture.

So what do you think the poor babies of those sons of god were?

Dear Dad, They are humans with a shorter lifespan. IOW, They are US. We have the DNA of the sons of God within us. Where did we get it?

Dear Dad, I agree.

Why say dear? Obviously you agree on nothing.

It's a greeting used worldwide by civilized humans.

The sons of God (prehistoric man) did, according to Genesis 1:21 AND Science. Since the fallen angels are bound in chains under the Earth, when did they have children with Humans? Answer: they did NOT....Scripturally.

False. Angels willl fall to earth in the end, they sure ain't fallin from below the earth! Jesus cast demons out...they were right here on earth. You fail.

So, God kept the fallen Angels in Heaven with Him until the end of time? Chapter and verse please.

Angels have NOTHING to do with the sons of God.

That is your opinion, period.

It's also Scriptural and Scientific FACT which you cannot refute or you would have already done so.

Ge 6:2 -That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Job 1:6 -Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. " 6. sons of God--angels (Job 38:7; 1Ki 22:19). They present themselves to render account of their "ministry" in other parts of the universe (Heb 1:14). "
Job - Chapter 1 - Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary on StudyLight.org

"1:6 Now there was a day when the k sons of God came to present themselves l before the LORD, and Satan m came also among them.

(k) Meaning the angels, who are called the sons of God because they are willing to execute his will."

Job - Chapter 1 - Geneva Study Bible on StudyLight.org

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]This is generally understood of the angels, as in (Job 38:7) "[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Job - Chapter 1 - Verse 6 - The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible on StudyLight.org[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]"[/FONT]As kings, therefore, transact their most important affairs in a solemn council or assembly, so God is pleased to represent himself as having his council likewise; and as passing the decrees of his providence in an assembly of his holy angels. "

Job - Chapter 1 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org

"
sons of God
This scene is in heaven. Cf. Job 2:1-7."

Job - Chapter 1 - Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition) on StudyLight.org

No water spawned babies flew to heaven for a council. Really. Get over it.

Posting the theories of a man is Religion. I prefer Chapter and Verse since EVERY man has a different opinion. I use the KJV and the online Blue letter Bible to access Stong's Concordance on the original meanings of the words. I've noticed that you don't use a lot of Scripture to support your views. Is this because you MUST post the religious opinons of men within your denomantion?

The sons of God moved and "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day according to Genesis 1:21. Angels were NOT created from the water, and I have never said that they were.

Here is the text..

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

In no way can one claim that some man like creature is part of the creation of this day, that had to do with the sea creatures, and birds!

Science and Scripture agree that life on this Planet came forth from the water. You seem to disagree so I bolded and enlarged the words which include prehistoric man since he "moveth". Should I believe you since you seem to be unable to read and comprehend that prehistoric man got here long BEFORE Noah, and left his bones, MILLIONS of years BEFORE the Ark arrived some 10k years ago. Sorry, but your Religion is failing you.

The rest of your long post I skip. My best advice...quit pretending to know stuff.

I don't pretend to know stuff since I can support my views with the agreement of Scripture, Science, and History, while your's is supported only by your opinion. I am sorry but the traditional, religious, story, is easily refuted in every way. I applaud the fact that you believe it by Faith, since that is the way it's supposed to be for those who cannot support themselves Scripturally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 23, 2013

Aman777 said:
Aman777 said:

Dear Dad, They are humans with a shorter lifespan. IOW, They are US. We have the DNA of the sons of God within us. Where did we get it?

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?? You recognize angel dna now?? Quite talented.

It's a greeting used worldwide by civilized humans.

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Not ones I ever meet in real life. If I used the term dear, I would mean it.

So, God kept the fallen Angels in Heaven with Him until the end of time? Chapter and verse please.

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Some of them have access to heaven, others are somewhere out there, not in God's heaven, but space somehow, somewhere. Others, as pointed out are here on earth.

Mr 5:15 -And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Re 12:4 -And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Posting the theories of a man is Religion. I prefer Chapter and Verse since EVERY man has a different opinion. I use the KJV and the online Blue letter Bible to access Stong's Concordance on the original meanings of the words. I've noticed that you don't use a lot of Scripture to support your views. Is this because you MUST post the religious opinons of men within your denomantion?

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The scholars have educated opinions. On the issue of the sons of god, many agree, if not most, that they are angels.

That is your opinion, period.

Ge 6:2 -That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Job 1:6 -Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. " 6. sons of God--angels (Job 38:7; 1Ki 22:19). They present themselves to render account of their "ministry" in other parts of the universe (Heb 1:14). "
Job - Chapter 1 - Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary on StudyLight.org

"1:6 Now there was a day when the k sons of God came to present themselves l before the LORD, and Satan m came also among them.

(k) Meaning the angels, who are called the sons of God because they are willing to execute his will."

Job - Chapter 1 - Geneva Study Bible on StudyLight.org

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]This is generally understood of the angels, as in (Job 38:7) "

Job - Chapter 1 - Verse 6 - The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible on StudyLight.org

"[/FONT]As kings, therefore, transact their most important affairs in a solemn council or assembly, so God is pleased to represent himself as having his council likewise; and as passing the decrees of his providence in an assembly of his holy angels. "

Job - Chapter 1 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org

"
sons of God
This scene is in heaven. Cf. Job 2:1-7."

Job - Chapter 1 - Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition) on StudyLight.org

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

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The context is on the day of creation fish and birds were made. Man was made another day. Obviously. No mystery at all.

Science and Scripture agree that life on this Planet came forth from the water.

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False. God created life, and naturally the sea creatures were made in the sea...duh. They did not just appear randomly in the water!!

You seem to disagree so I bolded and enlarged the words which include prehistoric man since he "moveth".

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Last time I checked, we moveth on land! We also were made a different day than the sea creatures. Your wild baseless theories sleep with the fishes!!

...prehistoric man got here long BEFORE Noah, and left his bones, ...

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You need to prove the bones you speak of (?) were from a pre flood layer! Good luck with that. We know who got here before Noah..Adam, and etc.

I don't pretend to know stuff since I can support my views with the agreement of Scripture, Science, and History,....

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Not in any rational, real, cohesive way. You have NO case at all, and it sounds crazy. Not of a soundness of reason and mind and doctrine.

Aman777 · Nov 23, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, They are humans with a shorter lifespan. IOW, They are US. We have the DNA of the sons of God within us. Where did we get it?

?? You recognize angel dna now?? Quite talented.

Dear Dad, Angels had nothing to do with bringing forth prehistoric man from the water as Scripture and Scientific evidence shows.

It's a greeting used worldwide by civilized humans.

Not ones I ever meet in real life. If I used the term dear, I would mean it.

Never wrote a letter, huh?

So, God kept the fallen Angels in Heaven with Him until the end of time? Chapter and verse please.

Some of them have access to heaven, others are somewhere out there, not in God's heaven, but space somehow, somewhere. Others, as pointed out are here on earth.

Mr 5:15 -And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Sorry, but those are devils and not Angels as you claimed. Try again?

Re 12:4 -And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Why don't you tell us what this sybolic verse is saying?

Posting the theories of a man is Religion. I prefer Chapter and Verse since EVERY man has a different opinion. I use the KJV and the online Blue letter Bible to access Stong's Concordance on the original meanings of the words. I've noticed that you don't use a lot of Scripture to support your views. Is this because you MUST post the religious opinons of men within your denomantion?

The scholars have educated opinions. On the issue of the sons of god, many agree, if not most, that they are angels.

Have you also noticed that all of them seem to agree with the theology of ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science? A good example is that according to Scripture, we are STILL living on the 6th Day. Why haven't your so called "scholars" noticed this?

That is your opinion, period.

Not so. We live today at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ. We will not advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day. Isaiah 11 speaks of the time when this prophecy is fulfilled. It's a time when ALL creatures become vegetarians, and Lions eat straw like the Ox.

<<<<<BIG SNIP>>>>>>>

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

The context is on the day of creation fish and birds were made. Man was made another day. Obviously. No mystery at all.

Sorry, but that is NOT what is written, According to what is written "every living creature that moveth" was brought forth from the water. It says NOTHING about fish but does show that birds ALSO came forth from the water and they match the kind made by the hands of Jesus on the 6th Day. That's WHY they are His kinds. Here is the sequence:

Humans were made the 3rd Day from the dust. Genesis 2:4-7
Natural man (sons of God) were made the 5th Day from the water. Genesis 1:21
Eve was made the 6th Day from Adam's rib. Genesis 2:22

THEN Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" at the SAME time on the 6th Day. Genesis 1:27 AND Genesis 5:1-2

At Genesis 6:4 we are told that the sons of God and the daughters of men (Adam) produce giants intellectually and prophecy that this would happen "and also after that", which it did when Noah's grandsons had no other humans to marry, so they married the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) on our Earth and produced today's humans.

NOwhere in Scripture does it indicate that our Earth was destroyed in the Flood. It was Adam's world, the first world, the world that THEN WAS (ll Peter 3:3-7) and NOT the "heavens and earth" WHICH ARE NOW, which was totally and completely destroyed in the Flood.

Science and Scripture agree that life on this Planet came forth from the water.

False. God created life, and naturally the sea creatures were made in the sea...duh. They did not just appear randomly in the water!!

I notice you didn't include birds since that destroys your UnScriptural idea that only sea creatures were made from the water on the 5th Day. Also, go back to Genesis 1:21 which clearly tells us that God "created" and brought forth these creatures from the water.

You seem to disagree so I bolded and enlarged the words which include prehistoric man since he "moveth".

Last time I checked, we moveth on land! We also were made a different day than the sea creatures. Your wild baseless theories sleep with the fishes!!

Then correct me with your idea of what Day each of God's creatures were made, if you can. Also, today's humans move on land, in the air and in the water.

...prehistoric man got here long BEFORE Noah, and left his bones, ...

You need to prove the bones you speak of (?) were from a pre flood layer! Good luck with that. We know who got here before Noah..Adam, and etc.

Sorry, but Adam never stepped foot on this Planet. Adam lived and died on the first Earth. Noah was 600 years old BEFORE he stepped foot on this Earth. Noah was the FIRST human to walk on this Earth. That's God's Truth. Want Scripture?

I don't pretend to know stuff since I can support my views with the agreement of Scripture, Science, and History,....

Not in any rational, real, cohesive way. You have NO case at all, and it sounds crazy. Not of a soundness of reason and mind and doctrine.

That is because you have been led to believe that ancient man's Theology was correct. Ancient man thought the Earth was only 6k years old instead of 4.53 billion years old. This Theology was disproven when the descendants of those ancient men called for the Crucifixion of their own God.

The traditional religious Theology is provably wrong Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically. Want to see? Or are you only interested in telling us of your own Religion which cannot be supported by God's Holy Word? God bless you.

In Love,
Aman

biggles53 · Nov 23, 2013

Don't you just love the way the clear, inerrant, perfect word of God promotes understanding and harmony among the faithful.....!!

stevevw · Nov 23, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear steve, Humans have never been good. ONLY God is good, Matthew 19:17 which means that ONLY God is perfect. There are NONE righteous, no not one, Romans 3:10, except Jesus. Noah was accepted by God because of His faith, since he was obviously a drunk. EVERY man in the Bible is flawed and that is WHY we all need a Savior. David was a murderer, but he was a man after God's own heart because of his Faith.

Lot is also known as old sorry Lot since he had sexual relations with his own daughters and produced children which are in the line to Jesus.

The ONLY way to be accepted by God is to be in God, or in Christ, since one MUST be sinlessly perfect in order to get to Heaven. That is WHY Jesus said, Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

It's the secret of Eternal Life.

In Love,
Aman

And it was the same Abraham when God asked to sacrifice his Son and he was in anguish and pleaded with God why. But he was faithful and at the last moment God seen his faith and spared his son. So he had a special relationship with God.

stevevw · Nov 23, 2013

Aman777 said:
Aman:>>Dear Mark, The Dmanisi Skull is a good example of the remains of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and NOT Humans.

Dear dad, Of course. The sons of God (Prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from the water on Day 5. Genesis 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was brought forth from water and Science agrees, since man is 70% water and the cells within our bodies cannot live without liquid water. The sons of God "moved" as is shown in Job. Job 1 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Some CLAIM that the sons of God were the offspring of the fallen Angels and humans, but this is refuted Scripturally by the Scriptural Fact that Jesus tells us the Angels do NOT marry nor are given in marriage Mat 22:30 and they are reserved in chains under the earth, Jud 1:6 thus could not have appeared in Job.

Cain married one of these people and passed the human intelligence of Adam to their descendants. Genesis 4 shows that Cain's descendants had agriculture, tent building, smelting and other traits of today's Humans.

Genesis 6:4 shows that when you mix the sons of God with the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) mighty men, men of renown are produced. This verse shows that this happened on Adam's Earth and prophecies "and also after that", and the prophecy was fulfilled on our Planet when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced children with the prehistoric people whose bones are found on our Planet for millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

Today's Humans are the combination of Adam's descendants and the sons of God, who were brought forth from the water on our Planet. Proof is shown because today's Humans have the unique human intelligence of Adam, which ONLY Adam and God have. Gen 3:22 We also have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.

If you don't believe me, please tell us HOW we inherited the human intelligence which was unique to Adam AND the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes. We also lost 90% of our lifetimes when we intermarried with the sons of God. Gen 6:3

As you can see, it's easy to confirm that Cain and Noah's grandsons, married and produced today's Humans with each other. This will also be confirmed when we travel into Space and find prehistoric people whereever we find liquid water. Comments?

In Love,
Aman

So are you saying that they came when Adam was around and then got wiped out with the flood and then came back again when Noah and his family were the only ones god saved from the flood.

The only people God saved from the flood were Noah and his family. Every other person , animal and creature were destroyed as the world had fallen into complete sin. So there were no other special creatures then or before the flood. This is so you can fit the bible in with what evolution says.

dad · Nov 24, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Dad, Angels had nothing to do with bringing forth prehistoric man from the water as Scripture and Scientific evidence shows.

I tend to agree...nothing and no one did.

Sorry, but those are devils and not Angels as you claimed. Try again?

Sons of god actually were angels, as well as some fallen ones.

..we are STILL living on the 6th Day. Why haven't your so called "scholars" noticed this?

Maybe they aren't crazy.

Not so. We live today at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam

So Adam never died like the bible said? You are inventive.

Sorry, but that is NOT what is written, According to what is written "every living creature that moveth" was brought forth from the water.

No. That was in the context of the sea creatures being created. Not all creatures.

Humans were made the 3rd Day from the dust. Genesis 2:4-7

False. All creating was already DONE in verse ONE of chapter 2.

At Genesis 6:4 we are told that the sons of God and the daughters of men (Adam) produce giants intellectually

No. The intellectual giant thing is your baby.

NOwhere in Scripture does it indicate that our Earth was destroyed in the Flood. It was Adam's world, the first world, the world that THEN WAS (ll Peter 3:3-7) and NOT the "heavens and earth" WHICH ARE NOW, which was totally and completely destroyed in the Flood.

In case you are missing something that has to do largely with the people living at the time of the flood who got killed...not so much the planet itself!!!!

Science and Scripture agree that life on this Planet came forth from the water.

Lie.

I notice you didn't include birds since that destroys your UnScriptural idea that only sea creatures were made from the water on the 5th Day.

False. Birds and sea creatures were made the same day.

Then correct me with your idea of what Day each of God's creatures were made, if you can. Also, today's humans move on land, in the air and in the water.

Adam didn't. Chapter one is the order of creation. By chapter 2 it was already all finished. Done. Completed. Over. Kaput. Finito.

Sorry, but Adam never stepped foot on this Planet.

With that I think I better say good bye. You have no capacity for comprehension, and display an unfamiliarity with sanity itself.

dad · Nov 24, 2013

biggles53 said:
Don't you just love the way the clear, inerrant, perfect word of God promotes understanding and harmony among the faithful.....!!

If people used every kooky utterance anyone felt like spitting out, (regardless of how clearly out of touch with the reality of God's word they demonstrated themselves to be), as an excuse to diss God and His truth, then they would never come to a knowledge of the truth.

Aman777 · Nov 24, 2013

stevevw said:
So are you saying that they came when Adam was around and then got wiped out with the flood and then came back again when Noah and his family were the only ones god saved from the flood.

Dear Steve, NO. I am saying that the ALL of the prehistoric people of the FIRST world and Adam's descendants, except Noah's family, were totally destroyed in the Flood. They came from the water on the 5th Day when God commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created from the water. Genesis 1:21

When Noah arrived on our Planet, prehistoric people, were ALREADY here. Out Earth has NEVER suffered a Global Flood and Scripture does NOT say this. ONLY the religion of ancient men teaches this.

EVERYwhere we travel into Space, we will also find prehistoric people who came forth from the water, because of God's command which brought people from the water on Adam's world AND the present world, AND whereever we find liquid water in our Universe.

The only people God saved from the flood were Noah and his family. Every other person , animal and creature were destroyed as the world had fallen into complete sin. So there were no other special creatures then or before the flood. This is so you can fit the bible in with what evolution says.

False accusation which is totally unsupported by Scripture. Noah and his family were the ONLY people who were saved from the total destruction of Adam's world but NOT our world. That's because God made 3 Heavens.

The first heaven or Universe was destroyed in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19
Our present heaven of Universe will be burned. ll Peter 3:10
The THIRD heaven is where ALL the host of it will live with Jesus forever. Genesis 2:1 and Revelation 21:1

Here is the account of Paul who was taken to the THIRD heaven.

ll Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.

God defines "heaven" as the boundary of the Firmament of the first world. With you understanding, tell us what you suppose the 3rd Heaven is.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 24, 2013

Aman777 said:
When Noah arrived on our Planet, prehistoric people, were ALREADY here. ...

So the ark could fly through space. Let's recap your claims. Man changed planets. Noah 'arrived' on this earth. Adam never lived on earth. Some men or water creature like men or whatever were created on the day God created fish and birds, rather than on the day He created man and woman.

For lurkers, this is why God gave us His Own word and account! Otherwise people, even those claiming some Christianity and bible belief, could mouth off demonic tripe like above, and no one would be able to prove they were making insane claims.

Davian · Nov 24, 2013

biggles53 said:
Don't you just love the way the clear, inerrant, perfect word of God promotes understanding and harmony among the faithful.....!!

Indeed. It is like a perfect-storm of creationists trying to out-absurd each other. The waves reach new heights. ^_^

Aman777 · Nov 24, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

When Noah arrived on our Planet, prehistoric people, were ALREADY here. ...

So the ark could fly through space.

Dear Dad, No. Remember that the first world was made in the midst or middle of the water and that water was above and below it. Genesis 1:6-8 My understanding is that the first world, which was much smaller than our Earth, was floating in Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

The highest elevation on the first Earth was 22 1/2 feet. The entire first Earth had only 4 rivers which flowed from the Garden of Eden and watered the whole face of the first Earth. Planet Earth has thousands of rivers showing that the first world was much smaller than our's.

Adam's world was a completely enclosed Biosphere, contained within the boundaries of the first Heaven or firmament. When the windows on high were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights, the solid firmament began to sink. The covered Ark simply floated out of the windows of that first heaven into our second heaven, which is also an enclosed Biosphere, within God's Multiverse.

Let's recap your claims. Man changed planets. Noah 'arrived' on this earth. Adam never lived on earth. Some men or water creature like men or whatever were created on the day God created fish and birds, rather than on the day He created man and woman.

I have NEVER claimed man changed planets. Noah did arrive from the first Biosphere into our Biosphere, or second heaven, when the firmament sank.
Have you noticed that the Ark was 15 cubits above the highest mountains of the first Earth AND resting upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began? Explain that any other way than my understanding. I don't think you can. Fool me.

Isaiah tells us the first heaven was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19. Explain that with your understanding. God told Noah that He would destroy the violent people of the first Earth "with the Earth", and He did. Genesis 6:13 God promised Noah that never again would He "destroy the Earth" in a Flood. Genesis 9:11

God tells us He "spared NOT the old world" in 2 Peter 2:5 Peter speaks of the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS being overflowed with water perished, which in Greek means DESTROYED, totally. In the next verse, Peter speaks of the "heavens and earth" WHICH ARE NOW. Can anyone tell us the difference between the world that then was and the heavens and earth which are now, except to conclude that the first Earth is no more? I have many more verses if you would like to see them which support my views.

Do you have ANY Scriptures which support your view?

For lurkers, this is why God gave us His Own word and account! Otherwise people, even those claiming some Christianity and bible belief, could mouth off demonic tripe like above, and no one would be able to prove they were making insane claims.

I absolutely agree with you Dad. Can you explain WHY you haven't used Scripture to support your claims? You do believe the Bible, don't you Dad? IF so, please post supporting Scripture for your criticisms, or everyone will see that you would rather us accept your own personal religious views which CANNOT be supported Scripturally.

Thanks for your help. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 24, 2013

Aman777 said:
My understanding is that the first world, which was much smaller than our Earth, was floating in Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

The highest elevation on the first Earth was 22 1/2 feet.

The entire first Earth had only 4 rivers

The covered Ark simply floated out of the windows of that first heaven into our second heaven, which is also an enclosed Biosphere, within God's Multiverse.

Noah did arrive from the first Biosphere into our Biosphere, or second heaven,

I will hope you are a Christian. In that, you do well.

As for your claims, sorry, they are not worth wasting time on, except for a laugh.

Your explanation for skulls then, I take it is that they are leftovers from your specially created water folk? So where can we find this layer, where below is these water people skulls, and above would be normal people skulls?

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