The First Commandment

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I was reading some info and I came across a very interesting thought.

"Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Genesis 2:15-17

"And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?" Genesis 3:11

"Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life." Genesis 3:17

Is not God's commandments His laws? And if this is so than what God had commanded Adam not to do or partake of, it was the FIRST commandment, the FIRST law, at the very beginning of time of His creation.

And that was only ONE law, ONE commandment. One that Adam and Eve chose not to obey. And with that ONE law or commandment that was broken, that cost them to be kicked out of the Garden of Eden and caused them to be separated from God and brought the curse of sin upon their lives.

Only ONE commandment, compared to 613 other laws that came after. And mankind broke that ONE law. So God had His laws even at the beginning of His creation.

And if this is the case than I am starting to see that His laws and commandments are for today, and not destroyed like majority of Christians like to believe. Also that God's law and commandments will still be here until His Son Yeshua comes again the second time.

This is my thought.
 

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I was reading some info and I came across a very interesting thought.

"Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Genesis 2:15-17

"And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?" Genesis 3:11

"Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life." Genesis 3:17

Is not God's commandments His laws? And if this is so than what God had commanded Adam not to do or partake of, it was the FIRST commandment, the FIRST law, at the very beginning of time of His creation.

And that was only ONE law, ONE commandment. One that Adam and Eve chose not to obey. And with that ONE law or commandment that was broken, that cost them to be kicked out of the Garden of Eden and caused them to be separated from God and brought the curse of sin upon their lives.

Only ONE commandment, compared to 613 other laws that came after. And mankind broke that ONE law. So God had His laws even at the beginning of His creation.

And if this is the case than I am starting to see that His laws and commandments are for today, and not destroyed like majority of Christians like to believe. Also that God's law and commandments will still be here until His Son Yeshua comes again the second time.

This is my thought.

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This post should be in GT, Messianics well understand this concept but Christians will argue that the law only came after sin.

I am glad you have come to this understanding on your own Moriah, please go share it with the other in General Theology I think it would be a good thing for them to see it from your perspective.
 
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I see it like this.



God has a harvest, and Eve chose the wrong harvest, and thereby became naked.

I remember the harvest of Sukkot being our covering.
I remember that Cain also chose the wrong harvest when Abel chose rightly. Cain became jealous and killed his brother.
I remember how Jeroboam also changed the harvest and led his kingdom away from God's harvests.
I remember how the Samaritans were also taught the wrong harvest and they too were waiting on a Messiah.
I remember how Christianity changed the harvest of God for the same reason as Jeroboam.


The idea is to come back to the harvests of God so that we will not be as a woman who had her skirt pulled over her head, and her nakedness seen.
 
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This post should be in GT, Messianics well understand this concept but Christians will argue that the law only came after sin.

I am glad you have come to this understanding on your own Moriah, please go share it with the other in General Theology I think it would be a good thing for them to see it from your perspective.


Rom3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law).
 
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Rom3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law).

If law is the definition of sin then breaking the law is sin.

Can I sleep with my father's woman?

Can I rape and murder, steal, lie?

If sin is not imputed, then why shouldn't I go to my neighbors house, kill him, and take all he has, or is ever going to have?

I don't do these things because it is sin.


I wouldn't speak against the law in any way, simply because I know what Jesus said about the law, and I am not brave enough to contradict him.
 
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These are not lies.


Exodus 15:26
And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.


Exodus 16:28
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?


Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Leviticus 22:31
Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:3
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;


Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.



Deuteronomy 4:40
Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.


Deuteronomy 5:29
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!


Deuteronomy 6
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

Deuteronomy 6:17
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.


Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 7:11
Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.


Deuteronomy 8:6
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

Deuteronomy 8:11
Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:


Deuteronomy 10:13
To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?


Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.

Deuteronomy 11:8
Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

Deuteronomy 11
For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:

Deuteronomy 26:17
Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice:

And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;

And Moses with the elders of Israel commanded the people, saying, Keep all the commandments which I command you this day.

The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.


Deuteronomy 28:45
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.


Deuteronomy 30:16
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Joshua 22:5
But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.


1 Kings 2:3
And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:


1 Kings 3:14
And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.



1 Kings 6:12
Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:


1 Kings 8:58
That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.


1 Kings 8:61
Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.



1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

1 Kings 11:38
And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.


2 Kings 17:13
Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.



2 Kings 23:3
And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

1 Chronicles 28:8 Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the LORD, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the LORD your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever

1 Chronicles 29:19
And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.

And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book.


Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:


Psalm 78:7
That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:


Psalm 89:31
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;


Psalm 103:18
To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.


Psalm 119:60
I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.


Psalm 119:115
Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.

Proverbs 3:1
My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:



Proverbs 4:4
He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.



Proverbs 7:1
My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.


Proverbs 7:2
Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;



Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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And if this is the case than I am starting to see that His laws and commandments are for today, and not destroyed like majority of Christians like to believe. Also that God's law and commandments will still be here until His Son Yeshua comes again the second time.

This is my thought.

It is my thought too. With context, I don't think any laws are null. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice, and we send HIM to the sacrifice when we sin. Bulls and lambs aren't good enough, but before Christ they represented what He would do. Even the animals sacrificed to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness were a foreshadow.

Obedience is out of love; it does not define live. My parents will live me even if I kill someone. Her love for me is not qualified by what rules of hers I follow. Her grace and patience to visit me and encourage me in prison is not governed by how many people I killed. But, she will question how/if I love her if I just break her rules with no seeming remorse or care for her rules. Likewise, trying to follow all of God's laws will not win God' love, or a place in His Kingdom. That is from His grace and your faith. But, He may wonder if you love Him as much as you claim if you disregard His laws or find them ineffectual.
 
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Lulav, I appreciate your concern to have me put this topic in GT, however I chose to put it here because I wanted the MJ and Jewish perspective. Also I was zoning in what God had commanded Adam and Eve with just one commandment. And that was not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Others went off on a tangent.
 
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Lulav, I appreciate your concern to have me put this topic in GT, however I chose to put it here because I wanted the MJ and Jewish perspective. Also I was zoning in what God had commanded Adam and Eve with just one commandment. And that was not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Others went off on a tangent.
Not that there is any evidence.. but I think that there were more laws.. not mentioned in the garden of Eden {genesis story}.. One thing is that right after they are kicked out, Cain and Able are confronted with obedience.... or rebellion against God. How would they know if it wasn't given to them [since it wasn't documented in Genesis]. If it was given then chances are the rest were too.
 
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Lulav, I appreciate your concern to have me put this topic in GT, however I chose to put it here because I wanted the MJ and Jewish perspective. Also I was zoning in what God had commanded Adam and Eve with just one commandment. And that was not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Others went off on a tangent.

Actually, to be more direct, God gave Adam and Eve two commandments- the first was to multiply, and the second was to abstain from the tree.

A lot of people here say some pretty unorthodox things. A lot of unbelief here. I would say that your answers from here are not guaranteed to come from a Jewish perspective, nor from a good MJ perspective either. Keep in mind there are people posting on this thread that do not accept the full Bible, and it effects their theology and underlies their comments. The latest word for this forum is "all roads lead to anti-Paul", which is a keen observation sent to me from another poster. At first I thought he was exaggerating. Not so much now.

But, putting this question out to GT would have been a disaster of a different nature. That's like asking for order in a lunatic asylum.

Simply put, in Judaism, there is a teaching that the Torah was before creation. Note that this is nowhere explicit in scripture, but comes by way of interpretation. Some Jewish teachers even say that this is eisegetical. Some say it is a good way of explaning certain mysteries. I don't take a position either way.

The real problem and the insufficiency of the previous answers to your post is that there is a presumption that all the laws are the same and that all apply to all at all times. This is simply not Jewish. The Law has an eternal nature, but its application is bound in time, place and person.

Sin came into the world because of one man breaking one law, then laws increased as a result of sin. This is the most simple chronology that even a three year old can understand. Where people get confused is when Paul writes in Rom. 5 that sin was in the world before the law was given. But the context makes it clear that Paul is referring to the written and codified (completed) law given through Moses.

The problem is not the Bible, nor "dumb Christians" (as is the insinuation of some of the people here) but lazy students of scripture.

Clearly Paul is speaking of the law in the context (anyone remember that word?) of justification by faith. He is saying that you won't be justified by the works of Mosiac law ("doing" religion) but by faith (belief and trust in God first)- as even Abraham was justified both before the complete law was given through Moses and before he was given his own laws of circumcision etc.

The point for you and I today is not so much about what laws to keep (you need only keep the ones that apply to you) but how one is justified before God. Do you rely on your law-keeping to be justified or not? Paul says no (a truly rabbinic answer, completely in harmony with the Torah) but having faith clearly is not a release from the law (antinominaism) either.

It's about context and balance.

If you are looking for an argument to support a desire to be more (ritually?) religious, there are better ones.
 
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I am not looking for a fight or an argument. I was just sharing my thought. However I appreciate your thought.

It is interesting though that with just one thought how many people can go off on a tangent that had nothing to do with the thought that was shared. And so easy for others to point the finger at others. I will not be a part of this.
 
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I have often wondered about this if there were more commandments that God had given to Adam and Eve while in the garden of Eden. Even though they are not mentioned in the book of Genesis. The one law that I saw was where God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
 
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