When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

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Weeping and gnashing of teeth is not a good thing.. It always refers to torment in lake of fire..

You can't earn degrees of reward .. It's all provided by Christ .. Nothing by the flesh... Nothing by works of the law...it's a gift

The law profits nothing ...it's useless .. It only puts in bondage and condemns bro

If you truly trust Christ.. You are an overcomes...you are worthy by faith in him and the only commandment you must obey are his commandments.. To love forgive judge not condemn not have mercy.. And never condemn by the law of any law

The 5 Foolish virgins, they are of the congregation of Jesus but yet they will have no oil.

4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love.http://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-8 5 Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repenthttp://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-9 and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstandhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-10 from its place.

The voice of the bride and the bridegroom will no longer be heard in some.

Many people will say,'' BUT LORD, WE TAUGHT YOUR NAME IN THE STREETS.''

Depart from me, you workers of iniquity{law breakers}.


The works of all men will be tested in the great fire when the elements of the Earth will burn and the sky rolls up like a scroll.

YOU will be tested by that fire, and we will all see what sort of works you have built, many will suffer great loss in that fire, they themselves will be saved, but only as one who has gone into a fire{died, went to heaven}.

If God did not spare some branches from the tree, whatchout that he doesn't break you off.


There are many, many scriptures about the differences in the majority and the very few.

The very few overcomers have reward that others do not.

Just believing in Jesus is nothing if you go about as a liar and a thief.

The devils believe in Jesus.


Bringing people back to the respect of the law will cover the multitude of sins.

Charity will also cover the multitude of sins, and why should we worry about a covering?

Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

We are making wedding attire.


Revelation is about a civil war going on within the Temple itself, the gentile believers fight against the biblical believers.

This has been the reality for 2000 years, Gentile Christians fighting against anyone who would keep the Passover of Christ.

This war comes to town in Revelation when two witnesses are given power over those gentiles residing in the outer court of darkness, of gentiles.

Revelation 11 doesn't count these believers as part of the two sections that are counted.


So yes, there is a gazillion scriptures showing salvation and reward as two different things.


Jesus himself spoke about this saying,'' He who does not keep the commandments and teachers others not to keep the commandments will be the least in the kingdom of heaven.''

This least section is the outer court of darkness, and it is built to mirror the outer court of heaven.




And the whirlwind is in the thorn trees
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn trees
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the man comes around
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on it was Death
And Hell followed with him
 
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HannibalFlavius said in post 541:

I have seen your posts Bible, you are flat out against Jesus, Paul, and the disciples.

Note that nothing that has been presented has been against Jesus, Paul, or the other apostles.

HannibalFlavius said in post 541:

Your the best evidence to a Jew that Jesus is not the Messiah.

Note that nothing that has been presented supports the mistaken idea that Jesus isn't the Messiah.

HannibalFlavius said in post 541:

You know nothing of the law because you despise the word of God and the commandments, and you literally do not know what you are saying.

Note that nothing that has been presented despises the Word of God or the commandments.

HannibalFlavius said in post 541:

But what you say shows Jesus, Paul, and the disciples as thugs.

Note that nothing that has been presented shows Jesus, Paul, or the other apostles to be thugs.

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HannibalFlavius said in post 542:

I am not a Jew, nor do I live by the law, but Jesus did, and for him to be the Messiah, he had to walk in the law, not be a law breaker.

Note that Jesus the Messiah did away with, for example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17, cf. Hebrews 10:1a), just as he did away with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). For Jesus and his disciples broke the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law sabbath (Exodus 31:15, John 5:17-18, Matthew 12:2). Also, regarding Matthew 12:1-8, the Pharisees were able to distinguish between the Old Covenant Mosaic "law" (Matthew 12:2, Exodus 31:15) and "the tradition of the elders" (Matthew 15:2). And in Matthew 12:1-8, neither the Pharisees nor Jesus made any reference to any extra-legal "traditions". Instead, in Matthew 12:1-8, Jesus admitted that his disciples were breaking the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law sabbath. For he employed Old Testament examples where David also did something "which was not lawful" (Matthew 12:4) and where priests also "profaned the sabbath" (Matthew 12:5-6), just as at a different time Jesus stated that he worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18; cf. Exodus 31:15).

HannibalFlavius said in post 542:

There was never a question whether Jews would continue keeping the law, that why they had to have a big council meeting to decide if gentiles needed to keep the law like Jews continued keeping it.

The meeting in Acts 15:6-29 was indeed about whether or not believing Gentiles must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Acts 15:5,6,24). The church leadership as a whole in Jerusalem wasn't ready at that time to say that the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law didn't have to be kept by Jews either, because it had been abolished, even for Jews (Romans 7:6, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), on the New Covenant Cross of Jesus (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 10). But this truth was known full well by Peter (Acts 15:5,10,11), even though he sometimes didn't act like he knew it, and so he was admonished one time by Paul away from the leaders in Jerusalem, while he was up in Antioch (Galatians 2:11-21). Paul and other apostles who knew the truth got it directly from Jesus, and not from other apostles (Galatians 1:11-12; 2 Peter 1:16). That's why they could fend for themselves in arguing against those Jews who were pressuring believing Gentiles to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Acts 15:2a).

But when they couldn't convince those Jews to stop their pressuring, they got yet other leaders (Acts 15:2b) (such as James) which those Jews' hopefully would obey (Galatians 2:12), to get them to stop, through a letter which showed believing Gentiles that none of the leaders of the church were commanding them to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Acts 15:24).

When Peter was away from Jerusalem living among the Gentiles in Antioch he rightly lived "after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews" (Galatians 2:14). It was only when some Jews came to Antioch who were "from James" (Galatians 2:12) that Peter reverted back to their (mistaken) practice. For James, and those who followed him, "zealously" (yet still mistakenly) held that the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was still in effect for Jews (Acts 15:21, Acts 21:18-24). Such Old Covenant Mosaic law-zealous Jews griped to James over what Paul was telling Jews (Acts 21:21).

Acts 15:10 means that all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, should stop trying to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For the yoke that Peter says in Acts 15:10 was an unbearable yoke even for Jews was the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which had just been referred to in Acts 15:5. Similarly, in Galatians 5:1, the yoke of bondage that Paul shows all believers aren't to be entangled with is the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which Paul had just showed "gendereth to bondage" (Galatians 4:21-31).

The historical account of the forbidding of believing Gentiles to eat certain foods at the time of Acts 15:29 isn't in line with the scriptural teachings which show that under the New Covenant all foods are in themselves okay for all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, to eat (1 Timothy 4:4-5, Romans 14:14,20, Mark 7:18-19; 1 Corinthians 10:25-30, Colossians 2:16-17, Hebrews 9:10). But it may have seemed good to the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:28) to allow Acts 15:29 as an only-temporary compromise among the church leaders at that time, so that a schism wouldn't arise within the church (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:25) so shortly after its inception, between those leaders who at that time still (mistakenly) wanted to continue keeping the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Acts 15:21, Acts 21:20b), and those leaders who knew the truth that all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, shouldn't try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Acts 15:10, Romans 7:6, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 2:11-21; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 10:9b).

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HannibalFlavius said in post 545:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for he did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for he couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with his own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow his disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).
 
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HannibalFlavius said in post 545:

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:19-20 refers to the New Covenant/New Testament commandments/sayings (Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:24-29) which Jesus, as the Christ (Matthew 5:17b, Luke 24:44-46), was just about to give in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and which New Covenant commandments "exceed in righteousness" (Matthew 5:20 to 7:29) the (now) abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

Jesus shows in the Sermon on the Mount how his New Covenant, Christian commandments are stricter than the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade murder (Matthew 5:21, Exodus 20:13), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even calling people names (Matthew 5:22). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade adultery (Matthew 5:27, Exodus 20:14), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even looking at another woman with lust (Matthew 5:28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law permitted divorce and remarriage (Matthew 5:31, Deuteronomy 24:1-2), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids it (Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18), except for a single exemption granted only to husbands who discover that their newlywed wife isn't a virgin, but had committed fornication (Matthew 19:9).

Jesus also shows in the Sermon on the Mount that while his New Covenant, Christian law is stricter than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, at the same time it's also more merciful. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required taking an eye for an eye (Matthew 5:38, Deuteronomy 19:21), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law requires turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:39). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required hatred for one's enemies (Matthew 5:43, Deuteronomy 23:6), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law requires love for one's enemies (Matthew 5:44). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, the ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7), required, for example, that adulterers be put to death (Leviticus 20:10), whereas Jesus showed mercy to the woman caught in adultery (John 8:4-11). And, for another example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required that anyone who does any work on the sabbath is to be put to death (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36), whereas Jesus allowed his disciples to work on the sabbath and said that they were guiltless (Matthew 12:1-8), just as Jesus himself worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18).

So in obeying Jesus' New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29, John 14:15; 1 Corinthians 14:37), believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, are both more merciful and loving, and they also exceed in righteousness those who try to keep the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

HannibalFlavius said in post 545:

Paul DID NOT TEACH THE JEWS TO FORSAKE THE LAWS OF MOSES.

Note that Paul taught both Jews and Gentiles not to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17).

Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

HannibalFlavius said in post 545:

The liars were paid to witness against Stephen lying against him.

Some people were paid (or simply agreed) to falsely testify as purported eyewitnesses that Stephen was a blasphemer against Moses himself and God himself (Acts 6:11). But their other accusations in Acts 6:14 could have very well been true, for those things are in accord with what history and scripture show. I.e., Jesus did indeed have Jerusalem and the temple destroyed in 70 AD, and his New Covenant is indeed different than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law which came through Moses (John 1:17).

HannibalFlavius said in post 545:

AntiChrist is to get the children of Israel to forsake the laws of Moses.

Rather, any person is an antichrist who denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or who denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or who denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist which will animate the future Antichrist has been working since the first century AD (1 John 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7a), animating many antichrists since that time (2 John 1:7).

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HannibalFlavius said in post 547:

The spirit of Elijah bids people to come and be married to a Jew, for gentiles to become one with Jews, and there is only one way this can happen.

When the churches bring back respect for the Torah, and do away with every abomination that separates them from God.

All those in the church, whether Jews or Gentiles, are already spiritually Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29). And Abraham's seed is Israel (Isaiah 41:8, Romans 11:1; 2 Chronicles 20:7). So the entire church is already Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). Not just the Jews in the church (e.g. Romans 11:1b), but also the Gentiles in the church are already spiritually Abraham's seed of promise (Romans 9:7,8,24), as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28) and as Jesus is (Galatians 3:16,29). And so Gentiles in the church, along with Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 15:27, Galatians 3:29b, Romans 11:17,24).


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HannibalFlavius said in post 548:

If you look for a future fulfillment of anything, it means the law is not finished, and Jesus tells us it is not fulfilled until the earth is burned up.

Matthew 5:18 doesn't mean that heaven and earth have to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments can be abolished, but that Jesus had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Christ's first coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53), before he could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

HannibalFlavius said in post 548:

Paul clearly proved himself as a man who kept the law all his life, and the tens of thousands of Jews became even more zealous in keeping it BECAUSE they believed.

Rather, Paul simply didn't object to the charges in Acts 21:21, because they were true (Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17). And he didn't object to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, because of the principle in 1 Corinthians 9:20, and because the practices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in themselves are still holy, for the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself is still holy (Romans 7:12). So Paul wasn't sinning by participating in them. Also, Acts 21:24b doesn't require that the charges in Acts 21:21 were false. All Acts 21:24b means is that if Paul agreed to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, the charges in Acts 21:21 might be negated in the minds of Jews who (mistakenly) thought that Jews still had to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law.
 
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Messy said in post 546:

Before His first coming John came in the spirit of Elijah, before His second coming it will be the church that gets the mantle of Elijah.

Matthew 17:10-13 can be understood as referring to two different comings of Elijah, the first being John the Baptist's coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17, Matthew 17:12-13), and the 2nd being a still-future physical coming-back of Elijah himself, when he will restore all things (Matthew 17:11), in the sense of restoring all true doctrine, i.e. all true interpretation of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16), to the church. This still-future, physical coming-back of Elijah himself could occur at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, when Elijah could come back bodily from heaven as one of the two witnesses (Revelation 11:3-12).

That is, in Revelation 11:3-12 the two witnesses could be literally Moses and Elijah. For the two men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4) at the transfiguration were Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3). And in Revelation 11:4. the "two olive trees" refer back to the two men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah (Zechariah 4:11,14), which was subsequent to the times of Moses and Elijah.

Moses and Elijah could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as they came down at the transfiguration. Also, the plagues that the two witnesses will cause (Revelation 11:6,5) will match plagues that Moses and Elijah caused in Old Testament times (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20; 2 Kings 1:10-14). Elijah never died, but was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kings 2:11b). And Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from Satan (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken Moses' body into heaven, where it could have been resuscitated back to mortal life, like, for example, Lazarus' dead body was resuscitated back to mortal life (John 12:1). This would explain how both Moses and Elijah could appear alive and well at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).

The two witnesses will prophesy and bring plagues on the world during the future, literal 3.5 years (Revelation 11:2b,3,6) of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 12:6,14), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. That's why the Antichrist's reign will legally end (Revelation 11:15) right after the time of the two witnesses on the earth will end (Revelation 11:12-15). The plagues that they will bring (Revelation 11:6) will be part of the tribulation's 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13). They will be taken up to heaven before the tribulation's 7th trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:12,15).

They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8). For the original Greek word (martus, G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people and bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason that there will be two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) who will bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Revelation 11:6,10b) would be because two witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Timothy 5:19). At the same time, the two "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Revelation 11:7-9). For the same Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Revelation 17:6).
 
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Originally posted by precepts:
Which part of Dan 7:17 don't you understand? The 4 beasts are 4 kings not kingdoms.
Daniel 7:23 shows that the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are 4 "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the 7 "kings" are 7 empires, represented by the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3.
That's not the issue! The issue is they also represent "kings!" Who are these four kings?

(1.)Babylon - Nebuchadnezzar
(2.)Persia/Media - Cyrus
(3.)Grecia - Alexander the Great
(4.)Rome - Augustus Caesar*

The first kings of the four beast kingdoms! Yes or no?





Originally posted by precepts:
Is not the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast the 2nd beast in Rev 17, the false prophet?
Regarding "the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast", when Daniel 7:24 says "And another shall rise after them", this can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the Antichrist could arise and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).
How can the 11th horn be a kingdom when these are the same 10 horns in Rev 17 that represent the ten kings? He, the 11th horn, evidently the false prophet because he is thrown into the lake of fire in Dan 7, is the 11th horn/king because he comes up among these 10 kings/horns that haven't recieved a kingdom as yet.

That's what I've been trying to show you all along. He is the 2nd beast in Rev 13 because he's also the 11th horn in Dan 7, the false prophet.






Originally posted by precepts:
Is not the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast the 2nd beast in Rev 17, the false prophet?
Regarding "the 2nd beast in Rev 17, the false prophet", did you mean the 2nd beast in Revelation 13? If so, the beast which comes up out of the earth (Revelation 13:11-16) indeed represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13).
WHICH IS THE 11TH HORN IN DAN 7:11, THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. HE WITH THE BEAST, EVENTHOUGH THE BEAST ISN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN DAN 7 BUT HAS TO BE DAN 7'S 8TH HORN, ARE THE FIRST TWO TO BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE (REV 19:20). THE FACT THAT UNITES ALL THE HORNS IN DAN 7 AND REV 13 AND 17.

THE "ANTICHRIST (AKA "THE "BEAST") BEING THE 8TH HORN IN DAN 7'S TEN HORNED FOURTH BEAST PROVES THE 7 AND 8TH KINGS IN REV 13:10 ARE THE SAME KNGS/HORNS BECAUSE THE "BEAST" IS THE 8TH KING IN REV 17:10. IT ALSO PROVES THE 7 AND 8TH (THE BEAST) KINGS ARE THE TEN KINGS IN REV 17:12 BECAUSE THE TEN KINGS IN REV 17:12 ARE THE SAME 10 HORNS/KINGS IN DAN 7'S TEN HORNED 4TH BEAST KINGDOM. ALL PROVEN BY THE 11TH HORN BEING THE FALSE PROPHET AND THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE IN DAN 7:11.

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND? :pray:








Originally posted by precepts:
Rev 17:10 specifically states the 7 heads are 7 hills the city of Rome sits on.
See the 3rd section of post 501.
Don't have to. The above proof is the reason why Rev 17:10 specificlly states the 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman (the city of Rome) sits.






Originally posted by precepts:
You claim they also represent kingdoms because the 4 heads of the leopard {Greece} in Dan 7 represents 4 kingdoms eventhough it's not written anyway in scripture.
The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) would represent the 4 Diadochian Greek "kingdoms" which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:22).
Even if it did that doesn't mean you can contradict Rev 17:10 statement of the heads being mountians. :thumbsup:
 
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I go to my families Christmas dinner, although I do not buy anyone a gift or receive gifts.

I don't think people are evil if they celebrate Christmas, I just think they miss out on a great deal of Jesus and when he was really born.

Everything about his life was predestined.

A predestined birth, predestined death, predestined resurrection, predestined burial, predestined marriage. predestined day of circumcision.



Now tell me, cause I'm really curious, what is the black Peters?



Are you talking about the black statue of Peter at the Vatican, or am I completely off?


^_^ what is the black Peters?
http://www.vanenter.nl/blog/images/_allegaar/sinterklaas_zwaaien.jpg
Stupid Dutch people, can't help it, the kids love it and want presents.
 
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The 5 Foolish virgins, they are of the congregation of Jesus but yet they will have no oil.

Well no it does not say that... The foolish virgins are told The Lord is coming... They are awaiting his arrival to earth...and have oil... But not enough.. Their lamps are going out.. The point being they are foolish for not preparing properly.. They forgot to bring extra...

4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love.http://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-8 5 Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repenthttp://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-9 and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstandhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-10 from its place.

I see what your saying here.. But it could also mean they were leaving their love for the faith to return to the law...the Galatians for example

The voice of the bride and the bridegroom will no longer be heard in some.

Yes ..some by choice.. Other lead away by seductive false doctrines..being deceived

Many people will say,'' BUT LORD, WE TAUGHT YOUR NAME IN THE STREETS.''

But Jesus said I never knew you .. You workers of iniquity...implying they were never Christians at all...a true christian has faith in Christ alone and obeys his commandments to love one another

Depart from me, you workers of iniquity{law breakers}.

We are all law breakers..every one of us... The laws Christ commands to obey is his yoke... His burdens put upon us... Obey his new commandments.. To love forgive judge not condemn not...have mercy turn the other cheek... Love your enemies...ect ect

Anyone who obeys the Torah and violate Jesus laws is a law breaker and worker of iniquity


The works of all men will be tested in the great fire when the elements of the Earth will burn and the sky rolls up like a scroll.

The elements burn after the 1000 year reign of Christ

The clouds that roll up is an event that takes place before Christ returns

It takes place on the 6th seal.... The clouds disappear ... No rain for 7 years... The clouds do not return until Jesus comes with the clouds

YOU will be tested by that fire, and we will all see what sort of works you have built, many will suffer great loss in that fire, they themselves will be saved, but only as one who has gone into a fire{died, went to heaven}.

Yes ...Christian works for The Lord is tried by trials everyday

If God did not spare some branches from the tree, whatchout that he doesn't break you off.

We reap what we sow...


There are many, many scriptures about the differences in the majority and the very few.

Yes ... But many are called and only few chosen...

The whole world is called to partake in Christ salvation

But few are chosen to be saved...so works do not save you... God choses by his own good graces... Not by merit...

So it's better to partake in the calling .. Than to seek to be chosen by works


The very few overcomers have reward that others do not.

Why seek your own reward by works when Christ has already provided all the riches of heaven... Nothing is withheld from you if you belong to Christ ... Faith in him alone brings all the promises of god

Just believing in Jesus is nothing if you go about as a liar and a thief.

You should not be judging that Christians are liars and thieves because they forsook the Torah

The devils believe in Jesus

I'm sure he does :)


Bringing people back to the respect of the law will cover the multitude of sins.

The law is fulfilled by Jesus and nailed to the cross... We Passover from death to life by his blood alone.. You of all people should understand this

The law can be use by satan against gods true people...the law can be used unlawfully .. False witnesses.. Using the lords name in vain... Look what the law did to Jesus

Charity will also cover the multitude of sins, and why should we worry about a covering?

Christians have the covering of the blood of the lamb... By faith alone

Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

Charity and love is good works... But faith in the blood of Jesus is even better

We are making wedding attire.

Don't need to bro... Jesus will give us wedding garments ... When our bodies are changed...


Revelation is about a civil war going on within the Temple itself, the gentile believers fight against the biblical believers.

Nope my friend...it's about a future event ...an actual temple is built when the false messiah comes....and Gentiles will overrun it ...and place a idol of a man in it

This has been the reality for 2000 years, Gentile Christians fighting against anyone who would keep the Passover of Christ.

Evil gentile false Christians maybe.....leaders in high places regulate laws... But true gentile Christians don't care if one keeps the feast...

This war comes to town in Revelation when two witnesses are given power over those gentiles residing in the outer court of darkness, of gentiles.

Outer courts of darkness?...gentile live and partake in the tabernacle .. It's a welcome place ..not darkness ...if we are one with Israel then why would our mutual messiah keep us in darkness?

Revelation 11 doesn't count these believers as part of the two sections that are counted.

Rev 11 is a time when Gentiles overrun the courts by force


So yes, there is a gazillion scriptures showing salvation and reward as two different things.

Yet salvation and reward go hand in hand because of Christ

Jesus himself spoke about this saying,'' He who does not keep the commandments and teachers others not to keep the commandments will be the least in the kingdom of heaven.''

Yes until all is fulfilled... Two covenants ... Choose... One give life ... The other .. Death.. One of works of law ...the other works of faith

This least section is the outer court of darkness, and it is built to mirror the outer court of heaven.

This is new to me... Is this doctrine found in scripture or did the sages made it up?
 
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precepts said in post 565:

How can the 11th horn be a kingdom when these are the same 10 horns in Rev 17 that represent the ten kings?

They can be a different 10 horns. For Revelation 17:12 shows that its 10 kings will receive power as kings only when the Antichrist does. On the other hand, in Daniel 7:24, its 10 kings arise before the Antichrist does, and so they can be 10 major nations which currently exist, just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 kings are 4 empires (cf. Daniel 7:23) which existed in the past.

That is, in Daniel 7 the first 3 beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). The 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman Empire. The 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria. The 10 part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Daniel 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, and the Arabs and Turks could be the clay. In Daniel 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other, could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into one confederation. For Daniel 2:42 refers to the 10 as a singular "kingdom". The person who brings this about could be the Antichrist. The arising of the "little" horn (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 8:9), which is "diverse" from the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24), could mean that the Antichrist will arise from a little country.

And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman Empire. And before that, it was part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

The Antichrist could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist confederation of 3 of the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24): Egypt, "toward the south" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9), and Iraq and Syria, "toward the east" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9). This confederation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine, i.e. a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land" (Daniel 8:9).

This Baathist confederation could be put together in the future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19) shortly before the Antichrist arises on the world stage (Daniel 11:21-45). Years later, when the Antichrist gains control of all 10 of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Revelation 17:12) who will defer to him (Revelation 17:13), like when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.

precepts said in post 565:

Rev 17:10 specificlly states the 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman (the city of Rome) sits.

In Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains (or hills) which support Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" can be the 7 hills of Rome. For at the time of John the apostle in the first century AD, the Roman Empire was the chief support for what Revelation's "Babylon" represents: all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). At the same time, in Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains can also represent 7 empires (Revelation 17:10). For an empire can be referred to symbolically as a mountain (Jeremiah 51:24-25, Daniel 2:35,44), and what Revelation's "Babylon" represents has been supported by 7 empires: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam.

The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

precepts said in post 565:

Rev 17:10 specificlly states the 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman (the city of Rome) sits.

Note that while the corrupt aspects of Rome (and of other cities) are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of Rome. For Rome just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is Rome the only place where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is Rome the place where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has Rome just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has Rome been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).
 
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dfw69 said in post 567:

The foolish virgins are told The Lord is coming... They are awaiting his arrival to earth...and have oil... But not enough.. Their lamps are going out.. The point being they are foolish for not preparing properly.. They forgot to bring extra...

The 10-virgins parable (Matthew 25:1-13) shows that the marriage of the church to Jesus won't occur until his 2nd coming (Matthew 25:10), which Jesus had just finished saying won't occur until "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31), just like Revelation 19:7 shows that the marriage won't occur until after the (never fulfilled) tribulation, shown in Revelation chapters 6 to 18. The parable's extra oil (Matthew 25:4,9b) could represent the continued good works of believers, by which they will be able to pass the judgment of the church by Jesus (Matthew 25:19-30, Romans 2:6-8) and enter the marriage of the church to Jesus at his 2nd coming (Matthew 25:10, Revelation 19:7-21).

The marriage supper (Revelation 19:9) won't have yet begun by the time of Revelation 19, which won't begin until after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (cf. Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). For regarding the church, the marriage supper will be a literal feast in the earthly Jerusalem after the resurrection and marriage of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54). While the church will enjoy a feast "of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined" (Isaiah 25:6), the birds will feast on the corpses of the world's armies defeated at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:17-21).

Also, regarding the 10-virgins parable, in Matthew 25:6 "midnight" could represent mid-tribulation, when the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) could be set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31). So when it says "at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh" (Matthew 25:6), this could mean that at the mid-tribulation point when the abomination of desolation is set up, the church will be given the knowledge of the date (as in the year, month, and day) of Jesus' 2nd coming. This date could be the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11-12, cf. Revelation 16:15).

dfw69 said in post 567:

Jesus said I never knew you .. You workers of iniquity...implying they were never Christians at all...a true christian has faith in Christ alone and obeys his commandments to love one another

Matthew 7:21-23 shows that both faith and actual obedience to God are required for believers to enter ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:9, James 2:24). But there's no assurance that they will choose to obey (Matthew 25:26,30, Luke 12:45-46).

Matthew 7:23a could be hyperbole (like Matthew 23:24b is hyperbole). For Matthew 7:22 could refer to saved people, believers in the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31), who had repented from their sins (1 John 3:6), and had truly performed many wonderful works for Jesus to the end (John 15:4-5). But at some point subsequent to their initial repentance, they had fallen back into some unrepentant sin (Matthew 7:23b; 2 Peter 2:20-22), so that they had to be completely rejected by Jesus in the end despite their continued faith and good works (1 Corinthians 9:27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Hebrews 10:26-29).

Regarding the ability to cast out demons (Matthew 7:22), that's one of the signs that people are saved, that they're believers in the gospel (Mark 16:17).

dfw69 said in post 567:

The elements burn after the 1000 year reign of Christ

That's right.

Regarding 2 Peter 3:10-13, in the day of the Lord will occur the destruction of heaven (the first heaven: the sky, the atmosphere) and the earth (the surface of the earth) at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11, Revelation 21:1). And this will be followed by the creation of a new atmosphere and surface for the earth (2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1) onto which New Jerusalem, the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:2-3), will descend from the 3rd heaven (Revelation 21:2-3). But the day of the Lord won't immediately bring the destruction of earth's atmosphere and surface. For the day of the Lord will begin at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8) as a thief (2 Peter 3:10a, Revelation 16:15). And after his 2nd coming, he will establish his kingdom physically on the earth with the bodily resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21).

And after the 1,000 years, the Gog/Magog rebellion will occur (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39). And after its defeat, at least 7 more years will occur (Ezekiel 39:9b), before the earth's atmosphere and surface are destroyed at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11). All these events, from Jesus' 2nd coming to the great white throne judgment, will be part of the day of the Lord. For it's not a 24-hour day, but to God is like a 1,000-year "day" (2 Peter 3:8).

dfw69 said in post 567:

The clouds that roll up is an event that takes place before Christ returns

It takes place on the 6th seal....

Good point.

The 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-14) could be fulfilled in our future by a huge volcanic eruption (possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera) which will occur during only the first stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This eruption could begin with a large earthquake (Revelation 6:12), signaling the sudden rising of magma within the volcano. When it erupts, it could shoot so much ash and smoke into the sky that the sun will appear darkened and the moon blood-red (Revelation 6:12b), like happens during large forest fires. The volcano could also shoot blobs of red-hot magma into the sky, which as they fall back down could appear like falling stars (Revelation 6:13). And it could shoot so much super-heated ash and smoke so high and so quickly into the sky that they could form a gigantic mushroom cloud which will make the sky (the first heaven) look like a scroll being rolled up (Revelation 6:14). Earthquakes connected with the eruption could be so large that they set off a chain reaction of other earthquakes in nearby faults and volcanoes, which could set off even more earthquakes further away, and so on, so that earthquakes will end up affecting every mountain and island, moving each of their positions at least a little bit (Revelation 6:14b).
 
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dfw69 said in post 567:

But few are chosen to be saved...

Amen (Matthew 22:14).

The elect are those individuals who were chosen (elected) and predestinated by God before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13), before they were born (Romans 9:11-24), to become initially saved at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b). This initial salvation is possible only because of Jesus' sacrifice (Romans 3:25-26), which was also foreordained by God before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8; 1 Peter 1:19-20).

Everyone on his own is wholly corrupt (Romans 3:9-12), and so it's impossible for people on their own to ever believe in Jesus and the gospel and be initially saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31; 1 John 5:13) through their own will (Romans 9:16, John 1:13, John 6:65) or their own intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16). Unsaved people can't understand the gospel (1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Corinthians 1:18) because only initially saved people, who have received the miraculous gift of some measure of God's own Spirit, can understand it (1 Corinthians 2:11-16).

The nonelect can't ever believe in Jesus and the gospel and be initially saved, even when they're shown the truth (John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42), because the ability to believe in Jesus and the gospel comes only to the elect (Acts 13:48b) wholly by God's grace as a miraculous gift from God (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65; 1 Corinthians 3:5b, Romans 12:3b, Hebrews 12:2) as the elect read (or hear) God's Word the Bible (Romans 10:17, Acts 13:48, Acts 26:22-23), just as the ability to repent comes only as a miraculous gift from God (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18). Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers so that on their own they can't repent and acknowledge the truth of God's Word (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Timothy 2:25-26).

dfw69 said in post 567:

But few are chosen to be saved...so works do not save you... God choses by his own good graces... Not by merit...

Initial salvation is by grace through faith without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5). But other passages show that initially saved people must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they're to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For believers must actually continue to do righteous deeds if they're to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there's no assurance that believers will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

dfw69 said in post 567:

Nope my friend...it's about a future event ...an actual temple is built when the false messiah comes....and Gentiles will overrun it ...and place a idol of a man in it

That's right.

Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require that there will be a 3rd Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being defiled.

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

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One reason that the 3rd Jewish temple hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government is protecting the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest buildings in Islam, right after those in Mecca and Medina), knowing that if the ultra-Orthodox Jews were to destroy these buildings in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely. While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe that the 3rd temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic state of Israel.

Something that could bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to this point would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in Samaria and Judaea (also called the West Bank), and in East Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea, and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could suddenly mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they're allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers, they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem, and go up onto the Temple Mount and destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (or simply clear way their rubble, if they've already been destroyed by great earthquakes by that time).

Besides getting squeezed out of their settlements, something else that could tip the scales toward this happening would be the rising up of a miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like:

"God says that now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount? Let us rise up, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!"

Something else that could help tip the scales regarding the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark because the government is afraid that the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see the discovery of the Ark as (in their words) "an unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret.
 
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This is new to me... Is this doctrine found in scripture or did the sages made it up?


The Temple is built in the same design of heaven, it foreshadows what is in heaven.

Jesus is the high priest of heaven.

The outer court is the court of darkness because it's light is of the sun, but the true light is within the Temple.

The outer court is not a part of the Temple proper.

The Temple proper is two sections, and that's why you see Revelation 11 saying,'' Don't count the people in the outer court of gentiles, But I will give power to my two witnesses.''

These two witnesses are the people in the two sections of the Temple proper.

Before you enter into the Temple, there is a huge sign saying,'' No gentiles past this point.''


That's why the wall of separation had to be taken down, but the Temple itself shows a progressive walk with God.

Everyone begins in the court, and the court is of Passover and flesh.

To continue a walk with God is to study in order to gain entrance into the Holy place where the Menorah is there showing the 7 characteristics of God, and the showbread for the teaching of God.


You study in your walk with God until you are considered true Israel so that you can reside in the Holy place.


The people were warned to build the Temple exactly what was instructed because it does shadow what heaven is, and that shadow is of a heavenly body.

What sort of body you will have is decided by how far you progress into the Temple.
 
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Originally posted by precepts:
How can the 11th horn be a kingdom when these are the same 10 horns in Rev 17 that represent the ten kings?
They can be a different 10 horns. For Revelation 17:12 shows that its 10 kings will receive power as kings only when the Antichrist does. On the other hand, in Daniel 7:24, its 10 kings arise before the Antichrist does, and so they can be 10 major nations which currently exist, just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 kings are 4 empires (cf. Daniel 7:23) which existed in the past.
The 11th horn is not the Antichrist! The Antichrist is the 8th king among the 7 kings on the 7 heads/mountains in Rev 17:11. He can't be the 8th king among the 7 in Rev 17:11 and be the 11th horn in Dan 7:11 because the 11th horn is the false prophet, the 2nd beast in Rev 13:11 that rises after the 1st beast in Rev 13:1. He rises after the ten horns in Dan 7 because the 1st beast in Rev 13:1 is the 4th beast in Dan 7:7, both having ten horns, both representing Rome and her kings.

The 11th horn is thrown into the lake of fire in Dan 7:11 which has to be Rev 19:20 because Rev 19:20 is the only place in scripture where anyone is thrown into the lake of fire pre the 1,000 yrs reign. There's no kingdom or empire that's thrown into the lake of fire anywhere in scripture other than persons, evident in Rev 19:20, the Beast and the false prophet. Therefore Dan 7:11 has to be Rev 19:20 eventhough the Antichrist/Beast isn't mentioned in Dan 7:11.

The ten horns of the 4th beast in Dan 7 are the ten kings in Rev 17:12 because they can't recieve kingdoms after the Beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire in Dan 7:11, the 8th and 11th horns. This proves the 7 and 8th king in Rev 17:10-11 is of the 10 kings/horns in Rev 17:12 because the 11th horn is the false prophet, the 2nd beast in Rev 13:11 that comes up after the 1st beast in Rev 13 with the ten horns, which is the 4th beast in Dan with the ten horns; and the Beast has to be the 8th, the Antichrist; these ten kings in Rev 17:12 can't recieve kingdoms after the false prophet and the beast are thrown in the lake of fire in Dan 7:11. So, they have to be the ten kings in Dan 7.

That's the facts I keep trying to get you to understand. The 11th horn in Dan 7:11 can't be a kingdom or an empire because he is the false prophet in Rev 19:20 and in Rev 13:11, and the ten kings in Rev 17:12 are the ten horns/kings on the 4th beast in Dan 7 because the 11th horn is the false prophet, and the 8th horn is the beast; thus, the 10 kings/horns in Rev 17:12 are the 10 horns in Dan 7 because they can't recieve a kingdom after the beast and false prophet are dead, being the 8th and 11th horns of the beast in Dan 7. :pray: That's the facts!


Every last horn in these prophecies represent kings. The 4 heads of the greek beast represented not the kingdoms but the kings. That's why the 7 heads in Rev 17:10 also represents kings and not kingdoms, the reason why I keep asking you to name the 4th beast in Dan 7's 1st king?



Originally posted by Bible2:
Originally posted by precepts:
Which part of Dan 7:17 don't you understand? The 4 beasts are 4 kings not kingdoms.
Daniel 7:23 shows that the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are 4 "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the 7 "kings" are 7 empires, represented by the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3.
That's not the issue! The issue is they also represent "kings!" Who are these four kings?

(1.)Babylon - Nebuchadnezzar
(2.)Persia/Media - Cyrus
(3.)Grecia - Alexander the Great
(4.)Rome - Augustus Caesar*

The first kings of the four beast kingdoms! Yes or no?





And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman Empire. And before that, it was part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).
The Antichrist isn't a kingdom, but a man that's thrown into the lake of fire. The proof being Dan 7:11 is Rev 19:20 eventhough the Beast, the 8th horn of the Dan 7's 4th beast, isn't mentioned in Dan 7:11.





Originally posted by Bible2:
Originally posted by precepts:
Which part of Dan 7:17 don't you understand? The 4 beasts are 4 kings not kingdoms.
Daniel 7:23 shows that the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are 4 "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the 7 "kings" are 7 empires, represented by the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3.
That's not the issue! The issue is they also represent "kings!" Who are these four kings?

(1.)Babylon - Nebuchadnezzar
(2.)Persia/Media - Cyrus
(3.)Grecia - Alexander the Great
(4.)Rome - Augustus Caesar*

The first kings of the four beast kingdoms! Yes or no?
Checkmate. :priest:
 
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In the beginning the creature whispered to the woman, and they together chose the wrong harvest that was forbidden.

When the body and soul partake of a harlot, they do not consider that they have mixed their Temple with the seed of God's spirit.

Cor.
The Body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit
18Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

Eve chose the wrong harvest and in doing so, she brought down the spirit of Adam, and the 3 agreed as one, because after you have done a thing, you have done it in body, and in soul, but in doing so, you have also done it in with the spirit, and the 3 fall.

Then Adam and Eve chose the wrong harvest in trying to cover their nakedness, because they became naked, no longer having the covering of God.

So God set them straight about the harvest and what type of thing is needed to cover the fallen creature, so he showed them the Sacrifice.

But even after they are instructed, even after they fell and bore children, Cain again, chose the wrong harvest, and he became jealous of Abel because Abel was only doing what God had instructed, but Cain would not choose the instructed harvest, and covering that God appointed.


This story only repeats itself over and over.


There has always been an evil kingdom who refuses to do what God had ordained.

There was always a split between Ephraim and Judah because the both of them had particular astonishing promises. The Messiah looked to be coming from Joseph, and David because Jesus is both.

But because there were great promises in both Ephraim and Judah, both thought that they should rule all Israel.

David built Jerusalem in Benjamin because there was already existing a split in the two great prophecies of two peoples. But David managed to gather all Israel, and he united them in Benjamin.

Then came Solomon, and Solomon got in trouble because his pagan WIVES led him to involve himself in harvest traditions of Pagan God's. Solomon put a statue of Easter in the Holy place.

This act enraged God so much that he ripped ten tribes from Judah, and there began another kingdom.



But what did the first king of Israel,'' Jeroboam'' say to himself?


He knew that he couldn't let his people keep the harvests and instructions of God because he knew that if people kept the Passover, the Shavuot, and Sukkot of Jerusalem, then all people would have eventually become one with Judah.

He could not let this happen.


1st Kings 12
Jeroboam's Idolatry
25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out from there and built Penuel. 26Jeroboam said in his heart, "Now the kingdom will return to the house of David. 27"If this people go up to offer sacrifices in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then the heart of this people will return to their lord, even to Rehoboam king of Judah; and they will kill me and return to Rehoboam king of Judah."…


So Jeroboam changed the preordained birthday of the Messiah from the 7th month, to the 8th month, changing the feast of Tabernacles and it's traditions.

The Kingdom of Israel called the Torah a strange thing and created their own religion. That practiced Easter and Saturnalia.


God wiped out that evil Kingdom of Ten names.


But is that kingdom of ten names still around?

They built shrines and said,'' Here are your god's, O Israel, who brought you out of Egypt.''

But the evil kingdom was wiped out, but not before Elijah was sent to them.


Elijah was sent to the Northern kingdom alone, and he faced down the entire kingdom and all it's prophets, and the sons of prophets.

He killed all their prophets in the river after he called fire down from heaven.


You would think that maybe they would have learned, but they didn't.


They had 700 years to join Judah in God's harvests feasts in Jerusalem but they chose their own Holy city and called the ways of God evil.



Elijah's mission is very specific.


John the Baptist mission is very specific.


There are ten virgins, because the ten is a legal congregation of gentiles who had to be redeemed into Israel through a marriage.


Both Elijah and John had a very simply mission to understand.


They stood begging people to come back in respect to the holidays of Jerusalem which teach about the king of Jerusalem.

They stood as men willing to prepare a highway for gentiles to be added into Israel by being redeemed through marriage just as Boaz did.

The friend of the bridegroom finds and prepares many gentiles to come and be redeemed into Israel through marriage.

The ten tribes had always symbolized gentiles, just as Joseph's sons were two gentile boys added into the inheritance of Jacob when Jacob himself adopted them as sons.

The ten tribes called the Torah a strange thing for 700 years, they became the evil kingdom and had great jealousy of their brother Judah.

They married into gentiles long before God put an end to their kingdom, and as gentiles, they were called back into the kingdom in the days of John.

John went into the land of Naphtali calling gentiles of Ephraim to come back as gentiles, to then be married in order to redeem them back into Israel.
 
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If you as a gentile were to do as the high priest instructed you to do, what would those things be according to the law?


Nothing.


The high priest would tell you to keep the Noahide laws, and what is so hard about that?

They would tell you to learn and study, to watch and know how they are worshipping the one true God, but they would ask no great thing of a gentile concerning the laws.

They would ask you to love and be moral, be ethical, and to walk humbly with your God.

It is no hard thing for a gentile to be joined to Jews.
 
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The Ten virgins are all gentiles who believe in Jesus after the servant is cut in half.

So 10 gentile kingdoms are cut in half?

5 of them believed in Jesus but as you say, they did not prepare. They did not bring an EXTRA VESSEL.


Believing in Jesus does not get you all the promises.

Believing in Jesus is half the battle for many... :)


The disciples gave up their livelihoods, gave up their lives for Christ, and to say that everyone will obtain the same promises as these people who died for Christ just isn't justice is it?

Well I guess some will receive 10 cities for they were faithful with much whereas some receive 5 ... So that could be true

But there is also is if I receive a prophet of god... I receive a prophets reward....Jesus was a prophet the greatest prophet... I received him .. Shall not I receive all that he has?

Jesus statue is god son.. Will not I be a son of god?

It isn't true, in the first church people went out not marrying and running a race to obtain a goal and there is only one winner of a race.

I believe the early church had no choice due to persecution of that day

The race to obtain the prize IMO is keeping the faith to the end.. Not with each other... But individuals against the world .. Be overcomes


Just to say that you believe in Jesus is nothing, if you don't transform your life, it means nothing.

Yes but in Christ ... To obey him not laws of man .. Not Torah Talmud pagan Koran ...do works in Christ ..

Faith is nothing without works, and works are nothing without faith, it is this balance that was so confusing to so many.

Yes but only works within the laws of the New Testament are counted...

All those Christians who went out killing in the name of Jesus are not like the disciples who went and loved in the name of Jesus.

Well yes ..Christians who kill are not Christians... Why call them christian is they are not ? Only Christlike believers are Christians ... Those that kill in the name of Christ were antichrist and murderers and thieves ... Not Christians !!

They were wolves in sheep clothing...

To call them Christians who murder is a contradiction .. Because they were not christian ...just because one says he is a christian does not make him a Christian...just as one who says he is a Jew...doesn't make him one

You have to fit the criteria




If all we have to do is believe in Jesus, then can I rape, steal, lie?

Nope ... That would not make you a christian.. Would it?

Did Jesus rape steal or kill or lie? Christian is Christ -like

Many claim to be Christians.. But the works of their true father they will do.... Steal kill and destroy ... Judge and condemn in the name of righteousness... Judge and kill according to the law of Moses

Liars, murderers, and thieves will not partake in the kingdom of heaven.

Yep

So how can one say that it's just about whether you believe in Jesus?

Because Jesus give us his reward and he took our true deserving reward to the cross

If that were the case, it would be so simple wouldn't it, I wished it were the case, but it is not.

It is simple ...no need to wish.. It is done


I mean do you really believe what you have said?

100 %... Why do I need to convince you?..I don't have too... Yet I choose too.. Hoping you will see the wonderfulness of what Jesus has done for you.. But if you don't believe me.. I suffer loss...

I would not be telling you what I believe if I didn't believe it myself



That all one needs to do is just to believe?

If the Jews did not believe Moses and chose not to put blood on the door post ... Would the angel Passover their house?

Believe your Passover lamb for complete salvation

You will pass from death to life...

What I mean by believe him.. I also mean obey his teachings...and accept his mercy and grace for your sins...he is your promises .. He gives us everything he has...

That's not justice, and it's not true, but I wished you were right.

What's not justice?.. That your sins are forgiven?... Why is that so hard to believe?





The 6th seal.
The 6th trumpet.
The 6th bowl.

I don't agree

These are 3 perspectives from 3 different vantage points of the same day.

Not on the same day...


What day is it?[

You tell me???

What is the date?

I don't know


I ask this to show why it's so important to learn the law and the comings and goings of the Temple.

I'm listening...


If we know the days of Jesus visitation, and we know the traditions of those days, then we can know exactly what day this is, and what is taking place.

The 6th seal
The 6th trumpet.
The 6th bowl.

This is the same day.


It is shown in 3 perspectives because the Temple shows 3 perspectives.


It shows what happens in Body, in soul, and in spirit.

How is the temple body soul and spirit?
 
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If you as a gentile were to do as the high priest instructed you to do, what would those things be according to the law?


Nothing.


The high priest would tell you to keep the Noahide laws, and what is so hard about that?

They would tell you to learn and study, to watch and know how they are worshipping the one true God, but they would ask no great thing of a gentile concerning the laws.

They would ask you to love and be moral, be ethical, and to walk humbly with your God.

It is no hard thing for a gentile to be joined to Jews.

I understand what your saying

But why would I want to join or be married with Jews ? When I a married to the messiah of god by a new covenant?


Why do I need to obey noachide law? When I obey the messiahs laws.. Jesus does not want me to obey noachide laws... He wants me to obey his commandments

The Old Testament will not save me... Only condemn me.. I am a sinner according to the law but I am a son of god according to the new covenant Christ made possible for me to obtain

The old covenant will not give me eternal life.. Only death.. It won't resurrect me...it won't sit me in heavenly places... I will not see god by the old covenant...god is not my father by the old covenant...

Yet all these promises are given to me by a new covenant ratified by the blood of the lamb

If I forsake the new covenant to turn to noachide laws I fall away from the grace of god and my sins will be judged... That's suicide...:)... Gods grace saves me from my sins.. Why would I want to fall away from his grace?
 
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Is sacrificing over?

Certainly not!

But what did the sacrifices point to?

What did they teach?
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

The whole law only looks to the translated law and what the law was really showing.


But if the law of God being the very word of God is unrighteous and not worthy of study or respect, it only proves that the God of Israel is in fact, not God.



Those that use Paul's words to be biased against the commandments of God should keep in mind that Paul and the disciples walk accordingly keeping the law like all Jews who believed, and became VERY zealous in keeping it, or is this a lie?

Are these all lies?



















Exodus 15:26
And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.


Exodus 16:28
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?


Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Leviticus 22:31
Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:3
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;


Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.



Deuteronomy 4:40
Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.


Deuteronomy 5:29
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!


Deuteronomy 6
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

Deuteronomy 6:17
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.


Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 7:11
Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.


Deuteronomy 8:6
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

Deuteronomy 8:11
Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:


Deuteronomy 10:13
To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?


Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.

Deuteronomy 11:8
Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

Deuteronomy 11
For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:

Deuteronomy 26:17
Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice:

And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;

And Moses with the elders of Israel commanded the people, saying, Keep all the commandments which I command you this day.

The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.


Deuteronomy 28:45
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.


Deuteronomy 30:16
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Joshua 22:5
But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.


1 Kings 2:3
And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:


1 Kings 3:14
And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.



1 Kings 6:12
Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:


1 Kings 8:58
That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.


1 Kings 8:61
Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.



1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

1 Kings 11:38
And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.


2 Kings 17:13
Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.



2 Kings 23:3
And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

1 Chronicles 28:8 Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the LORD, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the LORD your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever

1 Chronicles 29:19
And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.

And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book.


Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:


Psalm 78:7
That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:


Psalm 89:31
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;


Psalm 103:18
To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.


Psalm 119:60
I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.


Psalm 119:115
Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.

Proverbs 3:1
My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:



Proverbs 4:4
He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.



Proverbs 7:1
My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.


Proverbs 7:2
Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;



Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.






The worst problem with people who despise the law, is when they open up Revelation and try to read it not knowing the language of the law.


And it's a shame that the Messianic or Jew who can read Revelation, cannot share what Revelation says, simply because they spend all their time defending the very word of God.


Is God's word a big book of lies?


Are the commandments of God so evil that the converts to God's religion hate his religion and word?
 
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