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In accordance with the scripture I quoted. God holds mankind accountable for what they know.Originally posted by Doctrine1st
Huh??? I realize that he does not come out and specifically dub him a Christian but when he says:
"He is the Word of whom every race of men were partakers; and those who lived reasonably(5) are Christians [/B], even though they have been thought atheists; as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus, and men like them"
To imply he meant "only" that they lived "righteously" is disingenuous. The righteous life he refers to is clearly his "premise" for considering them as Chrisitians.
My point was as I said, Justin said nothing about logos in connection with Heraclitus, you made assumptions about Justin-Heraclitus-logos without any facts to support you.And your point?
The meaning that he stated. Could be a lot of things.Just the fact that he acknowledges these pagans for their intellect has some kind of meaning would it not? Could it be one for their contributions in thought?
Only if you read your presumptions and presuppositions into it.I mean that's quite a statement coming from someone, a church father at that, who is bent of giving Christianity it's validity?
Again your suppositions and presumptions about faith and belief.I know it's through faith to think that the Bible was created in some kind of divine vaccum, but that simply is not the case.
And how much do you know about the Semitic Jewish Hebrew social, political, and cultural experiences that did in fact shape the early church while you are supposing that it was Greek/Roman/pagan, etc.?Just as any culture or individual experiences, be it all those folks whose ideals form the Bible, it was shaped by the social, political, and cultural experiences that permeated thought prior to and during those current times.
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