Senator Rand Paul Plagiarized from Wikipedia

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The point of this thread would seem to be deflection from the current administration's failures :wave:
What has Ran Paul got to do with the current administration?

Never mind, you already answered.

Again, you can't produce something that doesn't exist.
 
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Nice of you to admit your assertion are unsupported.
:D:D:D Have to laugh since nobody can produce the attribution. We now have four sources all using the same review but only one of them, a conservative oddly enough, is being held accountable. REminds me of the transparency promised by Obama. He's so transparent, we can see right through him, just like we can see right through Maddow's allegations :D:D:D
 
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What has Ran Paul got to do with the current administration?

Never mind, you already answered.
Paul is being used (and abused) by some as a deflection. I already noted that. sorry if you missed it the first time :wave:
 
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:D:D:D Have to laugh since nobody can produce the attribution. We now have four sources all using the same review but only one of them, a conservative oddly enough, is being held accountable. REminds me of the transparency promised by Obama. He's so transparent, we can see right through him, just like we can see right through Maddow's allegations :D:D:D
There is an original source with author, date and time. You can produce that information, you have had ample time to produce that information. If you are going to claim Wikipedia plagiarized, you have the means to do so. There is an edit history page with annotations, citations and a record of changes. Everything is dated, so there is a timeline. So again, produce the evidence to substantiate your claim.
 
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It was a speech writer!

Rand Paul has a speech writer write his op-ed columns? :scratch:

Sure, why not? I don't mind if the politicians don't actually write their speeches, and I am sure Rand Paul tells them the content he wants to discuss. Shoot, I really have no issue with his plagiarism because it was probably his staff. My issue is Paul's idiotic way he handled this story by deflecting, denying then wanting to have a duel! He is just like Sara Palin (somebody else mentioned this?) by getting all defensive and attacking others instead of admitting mistakes and moving on. It is obvious that he has thin skin.

I could not imagine how he would handle the Presidency with such thin skin.
 
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Sure, why not? I don't mind if the politicians don't actually write their speeches, and I am sure Rand Paul tells them the content he wants to discuss. Shoot, I really have no issue with his plagiarism because it was probably his staff. My issue is Paul's idiotic way he handled this story by deflecting, denying then wanting to have a duel! He is just like Sara Palin (somebody else mentioned this?) by getting all defensive and attacking others instead of admitting mistakes and moving on. It is obvious that he has thin skin.
I think you can blame staff for speeches, but op-eds should be your own work. Nonetheless, I agree, it's not the plagiarism that's the big issue, it's the immediate denial/lying of wrongdoing. He has backpedalled only because more plagiarism was uncovered. At best this shows that Senator Paul is not an honest man, which is pretty much the status quo.
 
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Have to laugh since nobody can produce the attribution. We now have four sources all using the same review but only one of them, a conservative oddly enough, is being held accountable.

Just so we're all on the same page here. Mach, you don't seem to grasp that the bold portion above is something that others don't believe you have demonstrated.

My understanding is this: You claim that Wikipedia's summaries of Gattaca and Stand By Me are plagiarized from IMDB and have no attributions. Someone else posted the summaries from both sources and concluded that the summaries are different from each other and there's nothing to indicate plagiarism. You keep asking for the annotation of the summary on Wikipedia, but others are saying that we shouldn't expect one because they don't seem to be plagiarized. You have not demonstrated that what is on Wikipedia is plagiarized from another source.

Not that even IF whatever is on Wikipedia is plagiarized is any excuse for Paul plagiarizing.
 
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There is an original source with author, date and time. You can produce that information, you have had ample time to produce that information. If you are going to claim Wikipedia plagiarized, you have the means to do so. There is an edit history page with annotations, citations and a record of changes. Everything is dated, so there is a timeline. So again, produce the evidence to substantiate your claim.
Where did I claim wikipedia plagiarized?
 
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Just so we're all on the same page here. Mach, you don't seem to grasp that the bold portion above is something that others don't believe you have demonstrated.

My understanding is this: You claim that Wikipedia's summaries of Gattaca and Stand By Me are plagiarized from IMDB and have no attributions. Someone else posted the summaries from both sources and concluded that the summaries are different from each other and there's nothing to indicate plagiarism. You keep asking for the annotation of the summary on Wikipedia, but others are saying that we shouldn't expect one because they don't seem to be plagiarized. You have not demonstrated that what is on Wikipedia is plagiarized from another source.

Not that even IF whatever is on Wikipedia is plagiarized is any excuse for Paul plagiarizing.
That would only mean that they haven't paid attention. The OP provided two, USincognito provided a third and I provided a fourth :wave:
 
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Sure, why not?
Yeah, like speeches, it wouldn't surprise me if politicians have ghost writers for op-eds. They tell the writer the gist of what they want to say, then look it over to make sure it's acceptable.

I don't mind if the politicians don't actually write their speeches, and I am sure Rand Paul tells them the content he wants to discuss. Shoot, I really have no issue with his plagiarism because it was probably his staff. My issue is Paul's idiotic way he handled this story by deflecting, denying then wanting to have a duel! He is just like Sara Palin (somebody else mentioned this?) by getting all defensive and attacking others instead of admitting mistakes and moving on. It is obvious that he has thin skin.

This. The issue isn't so much that his speech/op-ed plagiarized. The issue is more his poor reaction to it being pointed out. Heck he could have even said "Yep, this seems to be plagiarized. And you know what? It was accidental and I'll do better to avoid it in the future. But why the heck am I the target of such a minor complaint <blah blah blah>"

I could have accepted that defense.
 
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I'm merely pointing out the oddity that Paul is accused of plagiarism while wikipedia gets a pass, suspecting of course that the IMDB review is the original
Where did I claim wikipedia plagiarized?
You suspect Wikipedia plagiarized, if not you suspect IMDb plagiarized. Both pages, have an edit history showing when the page and specific edits were created. You can look at that edit history and its annotations to determine which source came written first, and if attributions were made at the time of edits.
 
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You suspect Wikipedia plagiarized, if not you suspect IMDb plagiarized. Both pages, have an edit history showing when the page and specific edits were created. You can look at that edit history and its annotations to determine which source came written first, and if attributions were made at the time of edits.
When I suspect that IMDB is the original, that in no way is a claim that wikipedia plagiarized :wave:
 
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When I suspect that IMDB is the original, that in no way is a claim that wikipedia plagiarized :wave:
Then it is settled, Wikipedia is the original source and Rand Paul plagiarized the website. And you can determine which one is the original by reviewing the edit history of both pages.
 
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Then it is settled, Wikipedia is the original source and Rand Paul plagiarized the website. And you can determine which one is the original by reviewing the edit history of both pages.
Evidence? :wave:
 
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