Jesus Didnt Come to Save Him
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There's a time Jesus taught the people and quoted prophecies from Isaiah, and show the people how Jews fulfil this prophecy:
Isaiah 29:0-11
9 Be stunned and amazed,
blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine,
stagger, but not from beer.
10 The Lord has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes (the prophets);
he has covered your heads (the seers).
11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, Read this, please, they will answer, I cant; it is sealed.
Isaiah told about the Jews in the time when Jesus came for Israel.blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine,
stagger, but not from beer.
10 The Lord has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes (the prophets);
he has covered your heads (the seers).
11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, Read this, please, they will answer, I cant; it is sealed.
Recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus testimony about them;
Matthew 13:10-15
10 The disciples came to him and asked, Why do you speak to the people in parables?
11 He replied, Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this peoples heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
Parables are like seal for prophecies, and Jesus often using parables too. Because, no matter how clear the law and the teaching is, the heart which become calloused would never understand.11 He replied, Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this peoples heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
By using parables, righteous man will understand God's willing and open the seal.
Matthew 15:7-8
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
The Hypocrites was Jews who didn't understand and accepted what Jesus had taught. They hiding behind the law, seems blameless and upright, and feared of God and abstained from and shunned evil, but actually they were not.8 These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Matthew 15:1-6
15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They dont wash their hands before they eat!
3 Jesus replied, And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, Honor your father and mother[a] and Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is devoted to God, 6 they are not to honor their father or mother with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
The Law given to Israel meant to sanctified them, because God called them as the People belonged to Him.3 Jesus replied, And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, Honor your father and mother[a] and Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is devoted to God, 6 they are not to honor their father or mother with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
The hypocrites are fulfil Jeremiah's prophecy:
Jeremiah 31:31-32
31 The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]
declares the Lord.
Wrong understanding came from Muslims, which written in the Quran if the Law was corrupted. when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]
declares the Lord.
The Septuagint were translated into Greek about three centuries before Jesus Christ, and kept in some churches and Synagogue, literally the Law never changes, but its implementation were changed, for it's mixed with the Jews tradition.
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Hi Eyes wide Open..
Bible prophecies, about the end of the day and it's implementation in our days, our environment and our circumstances.
I will summarize what I know, and we'll see the three Abrahamic religion from Bible side, for I am a Christian.
and also(because I was a muslim) from islam side.
about Judaism, as I admitted earlier, I have no knowledge about it, as much as I know about Christianity and Islam.
and of course, my knowledge was only a little. that's why I welcome input from CF members.
thank you, and God bless
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Eyes wide Open
Love and peace is the ONLY foundation-to build....
Mmm very nice. I've long since given up on debating here abouts as its a mindfield of ignorance. Confirmation bias rules supreme.
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Eyes wide Open
Love and peace is the ONLY foundation-to build....
Hi Eyes wide Open..
Bible prophecies, about the end of the day and it's implementation in our days, our environment and our circumstances.
I will summarize what I know, and we'll see the three Abrahamic religion from Bible side, for I am a Christian.
and also(because I was a muslim) from islam side.
about Judaism, as I admitted earlier, I have no knowledge about it, as much as I know about Christianity and Islam.
and of course, my knowledge was only a little. that's why I welcome input from CF members.
thank you, and God bless
Sorry my other reply was a bit glib. End days, ok is it you're end days when the second coming will arrive? as in when you die? or is that a moment in life when one dies to the 'self' to some degree, and one experiences the second coming. Both are literal in one sense, but not from an objective perspective, but purely subjective. There will be no literal second coming from an objective perspective IMO. Thanks ATB.
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Some will says this verse sent down for a reason in the past time.(ambiguous, dualism, absurd)
But, it was not, for their clerics are teach them to practice this verse among other verses, nowadays.
Chapter (8) sūrat l-anfāl (The Spoils of War)
Sahih International: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
US Imam preaching theft, rape and murder in the US - YouTube
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Matthew 24:15
15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand
But, it was not, for their clerics are teach them to practice this verse among other verses, nowadays.
Chapter (8) sūrat l-anfāl (The Spoils of War)
Sahih International: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
US Imam preaching theft, rape and murder in the US - YouTube
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Matthew 24:15
15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand
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everybody will die, and it will be their little end of the world.
even in the Bible recorded this "little end of world", emphasised that all people will experience die..
Genesis 23:1-2
23 Sarah lived to be a hundred and twenty-seven years old. 2 She died at Kiriath Arba (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan, and Abraham went to mourn for Sarah and to weep over her.
Genesis 25:8
Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people.
Deuteronomy 34:5
And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said.
that I want to say is, there's nothing special, with my end of day. and Bible won't bother to talk about it
the special moment of "end of day" here is, as you aware and know Christians believe in His second coming.
and there's another religion which believe it too, in different way
yes you are right.or is that a moment in life when one dies to the 'self' to some degree, and one experiences the second coming. Both are literal in one sense, but not from an objective perspective, but purely subjective. There will be no literal second coming from an objective perspective IMO. Thanks ATB.
as a Christian, that's why I said, will see from Bible(its not object, but its the subject) in particular.God bless
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Masihi
love based faith is truer than fear based faith
"Jesus didn't come to save him"
A statement like this may conjure up visions of a mad man who may or may not have been trying to prove a point, as though testing a theory.
"Put not the Lord to the test" - Deuteronomy
One wonders what martyrs really look like. Logic goes against suicide bombers as true martyrs. On the other hand, someone who dies for their belief demonstrates trust in their Gd.
Christianity is all about trust in Gd; there is confidence in that Gd who never goes against His word. There is no abrogation of scripture.
Muslims live without confidence in their god.
Equivalent to being told to jump off a bridge, is the muslim who commits suicide for the sake of an only reward, which we all know is not true.
A statement like this may conjure up visions of a mad man who may or may not have been trying to prove a point, as though testing a theory.
"Put not the Lord to the test" - Deuteronomy
One wonders what martyrs really look like. Logic goes against suicide bombers as true martyrs. On the other hand, someone who dies for their belief demonstrates trust in their Gd.
Christianity is all about trust in Gd; there is confidence in that Gd who never goes against His word. There is no abrogation of scripture.
Muslims live without confidence in their god.
Equivalent to being told to jump off a bridge, is the muslim who commits suicide for the sake of an only reward, which we all know is not true.
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Masihi
love based faith is truer than fear based faith
"Jesus didn't come to save him."
By using the verb "come", the murderer expected Jesus to physically prevent the martyrs death. However, pre-Islamic salvation (as described in Christian scripture) comes only after the death of a Christian. "salvation" is redemption, or the resurrection
The statement is mute. I never expected the Lord to physically save the martyr at that point in time.
By using the verb "come", the murderer expected Jesus to physically prevent the martyrs death. However, pre-Islamic salvation (as described in Christian scripture) comes only after the death of a Christian. "salvation" is redemption, or the resurrection
The statement is mute. I never expected the Lord to physically save the martyr at that point in time.
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The Christian
As Isaiah, in Jeremiah were written prophecies from God too.
28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant, declares the Lord.
We often heard statement about God in NT was not merciful, because He was destroy people who did sin in His eyes among Israelites.
However, the verse in Jeremiah above, spoke about what He would do in the future. He erased the "original sin" with new build and plant.
Because of God mercy, He had promised to Abraham that one day God will recover the relationship between God and His creature.
The "original sin" like a marker on human forehead, remembrance if human can't win against their passion. As Adam was lose against his passion in early age.
In the same time, God had promised Adam the salvation, and through Jeremiah, God strengthen His promised again
However, the verse in Jeremiah above, spoke about what He would do in the future. He erased the "original sin" with new build and plant.
Because of God mercy, He had promised to Abraham that one day God will recover the relationship between God and His creature.
The "original sin" like a marker on human forehead, remembrance if human can't win against their passion. As Adam was lose against his passion in early age.
In the same time, God had promised Adam the salvation, and through Jeremiah, God strengthen His promised again
Jeremiah 31:29-30
29 In those days people will no longer say,
The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the childrens teeth are set on edge.
30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapestheir own teeth will be set on edge.
The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the childrens teeth are set on edge.
30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapestheir own teeth will be set on edge.
And with this, God made new covenant with Israel and Judea. Israel were spread and shattered around the world. And Judea, the Jews keep their lineage, concentrate in Palestine.
Jeremiah 31:31-34
- 31 The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]
declares the Lord.
33 This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, Know the Lord,
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,
declares the Lord.
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.
For God was renew His covenant to the people, God will not destroy people as the past, because He had established them as His children, His Kingdom citizens.
To born become new man, people should reborn through water and The Spirit:
John 3:5-7
And who enter the new covenant, no need to live under old covenant. But, they have their own Law in their heart. People who loves GOd, he would not do bad deed, they life to pleased God only.
John 3:20-21
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
His people no longer do good deed because scared of punishment. For only wicked frightened with punishment.
1 John 4:16-21
1 John 4:16-21
16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
Because of His love, He called, and embraced His creature. The people who lives under His New Covenant no longer called themselves slave of God, who need punishment, for they do not know love.
Through His salvation, He allowed His creature to call Him "Father".
The free concept "scared of punishment" were taught by Jesus Christ and recorded in the Gospel, and from here His believer were called Christians.
This concept also draw obvious line, which separated the Jews and Christians. Tetapi apa yang diajarkan Yesus, ditolak mentah-mentah oleh orang Farisi. For them, the Law and Talmud and rabbinical mitzvoth were the most important.
Jesus Christ didn't came to undo or cast away the Law. But He came to fulfil it, with His teaching and His action as our model, His children. 
This is Christians who called from the darkness to the light
1 Peter 2:9-10
- 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Gods special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy
Only people who live in the darkness whom need law/punishment.
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Masihi
love based faith is truer than fear based faith
"Jesus didn't come to save him"
Evident in the statement is the murderer's lack of knowledge. He clearly does not understand Christian faith.
Jesus said to pray for your enemies. Gd is not a respecter of persons, all are viewed as equal. When one kills another, Gd will demand an accounting from the murderer.
The murderer should be asking, "Will Jesus come to save me."
Evident in the statement is the murderer's lack of knowledge. He clearly does not understand Christian faith.
Jesus said to pray for your enemies. Gd is not a respecter of persons, all are viewed as equal. When one kills another, Gd will demand an accounting from the murderer.
The murderer should be asking, "Will Jesus come to save me."
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The Muslims
As the third child in Isaiah, the Muslims behaviour not far away from its name; Maher-Syalal Hash-Bas. Destructive acts and plunder, not only one or two time we heard, nor one or two time we know it happened. Although some Muslims moderate refuse to call this act done by their Muslims fellow, and their "peace and tolerant" religion never taught them to do so, but it is the truth. In fact, Islam teaching which ambiguous, dualism, have absurd teaching to its follower, and support their cruel act around the world, and often happen, not only in certain time.
Beside, Muhammad had lead his follower in many war, destroy and plunder under God permission.
Same as the first child, came from Isaiah. Islam too, as Judaism, live under law. Therefore, can tell that Islam were trying to bring back relation between God and His creature back to Judaism teaching.
RELIGIOUS LAW
Judaism and Islam are unique in having systems of religious law based on oral tradition that can override the written laws and that does not distinguish between holy and secular spheres. In Islam the laws are called Sharia, In Judaism they are known as Halakha. Both Judaism and Islam consider the study of religious law to be a form of worship and an end in itself.
Christianity were stand by itself out from Judaism and Islam, do not live under a law. Judaism and Islam are unique in having systems of religious law based on oral tradition that can override the written laws and that does not distinguish between holy and secular spheres. In Islam the laws are called Sharia, In Judaism they are known as Halakha. Both Judaism and Islam consider the study of religious law to be a form of worship and an end in itself.
Likeness between Judaism and Islam fulfil Isaiah prophecy in 29:11;
<B>Isaiah 29:11
11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, Read this, please, they will answer, I cant; it is sealed.
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This verse fulfil by Judaism, and the next verse...
Isaiah 29:12
12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, Read this, please, they will answer, I dont know how to read.
fulfil by Islam.
Double Prophecy of Isaiah Fulfil by Islam
Islam, was known as religion from Allah brought by Muhammad after he said received revelation in Cave of Hira. There's an interesting story from this revelation which became Islam identity.
Muhammad, claimed as illiterate person. The verse above was support by hadith which recorded when Jibril came to Muhammad and asked Muhammad to read, and Muhammad answer "I don't know how to read"..
Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 001, Hadith Number 003.
Sahih Bukhari Book 01. Revelation
Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem
Narrated By 'Aisha : (The mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read."
Read more: Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 001, Hadith Number 003.
This moment was a proud for some Muslims, which they think as a privilege for Muhammad as a prophet. For Muslims, it was a miracle for a illiterate person receive revelation from God.Sahih Bukhari Book 01. Revelation
Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem
Narrated By 'Aisha : (The mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read."
Read more: Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 001, Hadith Number 003.
Its not coincidence made by Christians or Jews, if Muhammad was answer "I do not know how to read" in the Cave of Hira. Its just a proof that God Words are truth and would never pass away, as had happened, Muhammad was fulfil the prophecy in Isaiah 29:12.
And its not a coincidence made by Christians, if Islam and Judaism have same view about Jesus Christ teaching. Therefrom, Isaiah prophecy was fulfil by Judaism in Jesus time, and Islam.
Isaiah 29:13
13 The Lord says:
These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
The way how Islam worship God, fulfil Isaiah 29:13. Because Islam teaching to honour God(which they believe in their heart) with loud voice in the towers, or using loudspeaker.These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
The most interesting part is, in almost debate between Muslims and Christians, they raise a question "Are there any Christian who memorize Bible as Muslims do?" This challenge came because Muslims are memorize Quran in every single word and verse. Even, their children are taught to memorize Quran in their early childhood age.
Jesus did scold the Jews and quoted Isaiah 29:13. But after the Jews are shattered around the world, Islam came and took over Jews place, to redo God relationship with human being under law, fearfulness, and punishment.
Isaiah 29:14
14 Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder;
the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.
Understandable if the verse above couldn't clearly understand for Christians who never know about Islam and Muslims. Or they whom never understand how Muslims interpret their Quran. Or they whom never know how Muslims create and spread hoax. the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.
Also, its understandable if Muslims would like to criticize a teaching "love your wife and never harm her" with all their strength and intelligence. But, also, they will use all their strength and intelligence to support polygamy to be practicing, divorce and beat wife are common and not sinful, for these are solution when the relationship in crisis. These are an upside down teaching.
Isaiah 29:16
16 You turn things upside down,
as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it,
You did not make me?
Can the pot say to the potter,
You know nothing?
Last but not least, when the prophecy said about "turn things upside down" are fully fulfil by Islam as an antichrist. Anti itself means against, opposite(upside down). Islam as antichrist is not merely a claim without any reason. But it based on many things in Islam which opposite with Christ, turn Christ teaching upside down, and obviously against Christ taught to love God and love your neighbour and your enemy.as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it,
You did not make me?
Can the pot say to the potter,
You know nothing?
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Zechariah Prohecy
Prophecies and YHVH view of Islam and Arab
Prophecies and YHVH view of Islam and Arab
Zechariah too, wrote prophecies about Israel. Their exile time, their return to their land, and the destiny of Israel's enemy.
Zechariah 1:12
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12 Then the angel of the Lord said, Lord Almighty, how long will you withhold mercy from Jerusalem and from the towns of Judah, which you have been angry with these seventy years?
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Zechariah 1:13-15
13 So the Lord spoke kind and comforting words to the angel who talked with me.
14 Then the angel who was speaking to me said, Proclaim this word: This is what the Lord Almighty says: I am very jealous for Jerusalem and Zion, 15 and I am very angry with the nations that feel secure. I was only a little angry, but they went too far with the punishment.
YHVH did angry upon Jerusalem and Zion. After 70 years Babel exile, YHVH allowed Jews to build Holy Temple for the second time. But their behaviour and wickedness raised anger again. But, as YHVH had said, He more angry with the nations that feel secure.
<B>Zechariah 1:16-17
16 Therefore this is what the Lord says: I will return to Jerusalem with mercy, and there my house will be rebuilt. And the measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem, declares the Lord Almighty.
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17 Proclaim further: This is what the Lord Almighty says: My towns will again overflow with prosperity, and the Lord will again comfort Zion and choose Jerusalem.
Since Jews return from Babel exile, this prophecies haven't fulfil yet. Because Palestine alternate under many nations. and after Israel stand on its feet, YHVH fulfil His promised.
Zechariah 1:18-19
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18 Then I looked up, and there before me were four horns. 19 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, What are these?
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He answered me, These are the horns that scattered Judah, Israel and Jerusalem.
These were double prophecy, the first was fulfil by four kingdom which shattered Israel. Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Roman. But the "horn" was used by God to reveal His revelation to John, to represent the nations will become Israel's enemy, in the end of day.
And, when Israel stand by itself, there were the four horn became main force to shattered Israel: Transjordan (Jordan), Syria, Iraq and Egypt. While others Arab nations stated war, slip their force against Israel, but never attack by itself .
History of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On 14 May 1948, David Ben-Gurion and the Jewish People's Council declared the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.[213] The neighbouring Arab states intervened to prevent the partition and support the Palestinian Arab population. While Transjordan took control of territory designated for the future Arab State, Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian expeditionary forces attacked Israel without success. The most intensive battles were waged between the Jordanian and Israeli forces over the control of Jerusalem.
On 14 May 1948, David Ben-Gurion and the Jewish People's Council declared the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.[213] The neighbouring Arab states intervened to prevent the partition and support the Palestinian Arab population. While Transjordan took control of territory designated for the future Arab State, Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian expeditionary forces attacked Israel without success. The most intensive battles were waged between the Jordanian and Israeli forces over the control of Jerusalem.
Zechariah 1:20-21
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20 Then the Lord showed me four craftsmen. 21 I asked, What are these coming to do?
He answered, These are the horns that scattered Judah so that no one could raise their head, but the craftsmen have come to terrify them and throw down these horns of the nations who lifted up their horns against the land of Judah to scatter its people.
YHVH promised to throw down the nations who against Judah to scatter them... This not fulfil by the four kingdom, because the four kingdom were succeed to scatter them. But this verse, about four nations who intend to scatter Jehuda. In other words, this still a desire from four nations, but YHVH would not allow it to happen.
The four houn are Iraq, Egypt, Syria and Jordan, had failed, even after they used all their forces to overrun against Israel in unbalance strength.... and YHVH had ravage those nations one by one; from Iraq, Egypt, and this year we see Syria..... probably we'll see Jordan will be the next. Whoever know about the prophecies, and know about the time, the wicked and unbeliever will hide themselves, for frightened if the day of God will coming soon.
Prophecy about Islam
Beside wrote about Israel, Zechariah wrote about Islam too
Zechariah 5:1-2
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5 I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.
2 He asked me, What do you see?
I answered, I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.[a]
Twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide were the measurement of Tabernacle and Holy of Holies room of Holy Place. This flying scroll will imitated YHVH's greatness and holyness.
Zechariah 5:3-4
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3 And he said to me, This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.
This is the second point about Islam, swears falsely:
שׁקר
sheh'-ker
an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially): - without a cause, deceit (-ful), false (-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.
sheh'-ker
an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially): - without a cause, deceit (-ful), false (-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.
As written in the Quran
Chapter (5) sūrat l-māidah (The Table spread with Food)
Sahih International: Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.
Even break swear can redeem with three days fasting.
Sahih Bukhari Vol 9, Book 93. Oneness, Uniqueness Of Allah (Tawheed). Hadith 579.
Narrated By Abu Dharr : The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."
Zechariah 5:5-11
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The Woman in a Basket
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5 Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, Look up and see what is appearing.
6 I asked, What is it?
He replied, It is a basket. And he added, This is the iniquity[a] of the people throughout the land.
7 Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! 8 He said, This is wickedness, and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed its lead cover down on it.
9 Then I looked upand there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.
10 Where are they taking the basket? I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11 He replied, To the country of Babylonia[b] to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.
He replied, It is a basket. And he added, This is the iniquity[a] of the people throughout the land.
7 Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! 8 He said, This is wickedness, and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed its lead cover down on it.
9 Then I looked upand there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.
10 Where are they taking the basket? I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11 He replied, To the country of Babylonia[b] to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.
This is the third point about Islam, it will more clear after we read revelation written by John. This woman written in revelation as Babylon the great, the mother of prostitutes (idolatresses) and of the filth and atrocities and abominations of the earth.
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In 1948, the nation of Israel was re-formed. This was the first time the Jews had a national homeland since AD 135.
The ship “Exodus” loaded with Jews in
1947 - one of the many boats that brought
Jews back to their old homeland
1947 - one of the many boats that brought
Jews back to their old homeland
source: Accurate Predictions - The Jews
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The Devil
Father of Lies - Heylel ben Shachar
Father of Lies - Heylel ben Shachar
Isaiah 14:12
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
you who once laid low the nations!
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
Lucifer is attribute for Jesus Christ, means "shining one, morning star". Lucifer is name taken from Latin, meanwhile the name of an angel who fell down should not far away from another angels names such Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, etc.. which taken from Hebrew. The Priests or whoever whom prophesied and pleaded went to heaven or hell and met Satan named Lucifer, definitely they're telling lies. Because if it was the anointed Priest or people they wont tell nor prophesied falsely.
Heylel ben Shachar, this verse above is also double prophecy, had fulfil by King of Babel. Even from the beginning until now, Babel is a symbol of Satan confront with YHVH. The ruler of Babel too who judge Judaism, started from Babylonia, Assyria, Medo-Persia, Greece, Roman, Ottoman and Arab. Babel itself is symbol of something which would be destroy by YHVH Himself. Figure in the Revelation as great Babel(Revelation 17).
From Talmud, and some legend of Judaism, Ha-Satan, Heylel ben Shachar; is the same figure as Samael, the angel of death, and he also charged with being the one who tempted Eve. When human fell into sin, and separated from God, human became fell into the kingdom of death, whom will judge by the ruler of the kingdom of death, Demon/Satan. Samael, Heylel ben Shachar who claim if all human soul are belong to them.
Demon who desire to be the rival of God
Isaiah 14:13-15
13 You said in your heart,
I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.[a]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.
15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.[a]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.
15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
Genesis 3:4-5
4 You will not certainly die, the serpent said to the woman. 5 For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
This verse above were told the biggest disgraceful of human, because they had created became as God, although didn't know the good and the evil.
<B>Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.</B>
God is True, Who never been created, nor describe/define nor create Himself. And because of God was never been created, God was un-named. Because name is gift from the creature, posses, discover, or owner.
אב שׁקר - Father of Lies - The Devil/Demon/Satan
TRUE is holy, can't join with any false.
Logic Algebra: True AND True AND True AND True AND False = False
True, is holy, can't join with any false
True, is holy, can't join with any false
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Logic Algebra: True OR False OR False OR False OR False OR False = True
True, is absolute, no matter how many False compared to True, True will always prevail
So as the only place the Devil/Demon/Satan wanted to become God is in the darkness and falseness. This is the way how Satan become same as God, compete God in the trueness, and His absoluteness. The same thing spoken by Jesus about Satan, the angel of death, and father of lies, אב שׁקר, ab sheh'-ker...
<B>John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.</B>
When human are haven't receive a salvation from God, Satan just like what Job said in his book; the resident of heaven, arraign human before God
Job 1:6-7
Satan answered the Lord, From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.
Before the time for Satan to get his judgment, before his power break upon human being, Satan has privilege to arraign human being before God.
But Jesus said;
<B>Luke 10:18
18 He replied, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
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When Jesus died, and raised as human who won against death, the power of judgment no longer in the hand the kingdom of death. That's why, there are written:
<B>1 Corinthians 15:54
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: Death has been swallowed up in victory.</B>
Therefrom, Satan no longer have power upon human to judge them, but will be judged by Som of Man Who understand every heart of His creature, and will judge with mercy and love.
Revelation 12:7-10
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled downthat ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
Heylel ben Shachar, Ha Satan, Samael, Iblis, אב שׁקר, Father of Lies... is the other god. Who will against true and proclaim war agaist whoever live in the trueness.
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The Crescent and the Star
The Crescent Wanted to Rival The Star
The Crescent Wanted to Rival The Star
Heylel in the Old Testament only mention and used one time, and this word not appear in another book. The actual word was came from word "HALAL" (Halal is Hebrew, not Arabic).
The meaning of "HALAL":
הלל
hâlal
haw-lal'
A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
Halal means shine, glory, and proud of itself. haw-lal'
A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
The meaning of "Shachar":
שׁחר
shachar
shakh'-ar
dawn (literally, figuratively or adverbially): - day (-spring), early, light, morning, whence riseth.
Shachar means dawn, morning.shachar
shakh'-ar
dawn (literally, figuratively or adverbially): - day (-spring), early, light, morning, whence riseth.
Heylel ben Shachar translated from its original language means --he who shine(and proud), son of dawn. And this word which translated wrongly by Jerome became Lucifer, the Son of the Morning.
Interestingly, halal was used in Arabic to identified something as legal or accepted or permitted. While "halal" in Hebrew means praise, glory, but also mad fools and boast. And Halal was Satan's character, Samael, the angel of God whom fell like have been told.
Arabic adopted Halal means"legal", while in Hebrew using word "Kosher". So, in other words, the law in Islam, which legal, is the symbol of complient to Heylel ben Shachar.
The Moon and The Star
Another Arabic word which consider the transcription from word Heylel is Hilal which used to mention crescent. Crescent represent the darkness won over light, but still show a bit of the light in order its prevalent and been seen. For the darkness will never been seen without a bit of light.
Meanwhile Shachar, resemblance with Sahar, Sahur, which have the same meaning; dawn. In other side, Venus, the bright Morning Star was epitome used by Peter for Christ. And also Jesus spoken to John:
Revelation 22:16
16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.
The Morning Star is the only star which still shining in the morning while another stars are dreary and not seen. This Morning Star is the symbol of dawn.
Over all, the crescent and the star have their own hiding meaning. In other occasion, Venus the Morning Star go through an eclipse, where the moon move upwards cover the Venus.
Crescent Star, Hilal bin Sahar, represent the crescent star move upward to cover the star. The dream of Devil/Satan to rival God, become antichrist.
Crescent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the Ancient World
The crescent is one of the oldest symbols known to humanity. Together with the sun, it appeared on Akkadian seals as early as 2300 BC and from at least the second millennium BC it was the symbol of the Mesopotamian Moon gods Nanna in Sumer and Sin in Babylonia, Sin being the "Lamp of Heaven and Earth". The crescent was well known in the Middle East and was transplanted by the Phoenicians in the 8th century BC as far as Carthage (now in Tunisia). The crescent and star also appears on pre-Islamic coins of South Arabia.[3]
Under the Byzantine Empire
The crescent was in use in the ancient Greek colony of Byzantium. Subsequently, it became one of the symbols of the Byzantine Empire and especially of Constantinople. It is unclear whether the Ottomans adopted the symbol after the conquest of Constantinople or it was already in use. Indeed, during the Byzantine-Ottoman Wars, the crescent was used simultaneously by both the Byzantines and the Ottoman Sultans.
Anna Notaras, daughter of the last Megas Doux of the Byzantine Empire Loukas Notaras, after the fall of Constantinople and her emigration to Italy, made a seal with her coat of arms which included Two Lions holding above the crescent a cross or a sword.[4]
Pre-Islamic and Islamic uses
Before Islam, the crescent was the symbol of Sassanids and after capturing Persian lands, the crescent has been adopted by Muslim Arabs and later by Islamic faith. In the 12th century the crescent and star were adopted by the Turks and since then the crescent has been a frequent symbol used by powerful Muslim empires such as the Ottomans and the Mughals. It is a historical symbol of the Turks, associated especially with the Ottoman Empire, but pre-Islamic Turkic nations such as the Göktürks used the crescent and star figure on their coins.
As the reference above, the crescent as symbol was known from the beginning, and always appeared in the world's center, BABEL. From Mesopotamia, Babylon, Roman to Ottoman and finally in Arab and Islam. How Islam fulfil it in the end, we will know it, later.In the Ancient World
The crescent is one of the oldest symbols known to humanity. Together with the sun, it appeared on Akkadian seals as early as 2300 BC and from at least the second millennium BC it was the symbol of the Mesopotamian Moon gods Nanna in Sumer and Sin in Babylonia, Sin being the "Lamp of Heaven and Earth". The crescent was well known in the Middle East and was transplanted by the Phoenicians in the 8th century BC as far as Carthage (now in Tunisia). The crescent and star also appears on pre-Islamic coins of South Arabia.[3]
Under the Byzantine Empire
The crescent was in use in the ancient Greek colony of Byzantium. Subsequently, it became one of the symbols of the Byzantine Empire and especially of Constantinople. It is unclear whether the Ottomans adopted the symbol after the conquest of Constantinople or it was already in use. Indeed, during the Byzantine-Ottoman Wars, the crescent was used simultaneously by both the Byzantines and the Ottoman Sultans.
Anna Notaras, daughter of the last Megas Doux of the Byzantine Empire Loukas Notaras, after the fall of Constantinople and her emigration to Italy, made a seal with her coat of arms which included Two Lions holding above the crescent a cross or a sword.[4]
Pre-Islamic and Islamic uses
Before Islam, the crescent was the symbol of Sassanids and after capturing Persian lands, the crescent has been adopted by Muslim Arabs and later by Islamic faith. In the 12th century the crescent and star were adopted by the Turks and since then the crescent has been a frequent symbol used by powerful Muslim empires such as the Ottomans and the Mughals. It is a historical symbol of the Turks, associated especially with the Ottoman Empire, but pre-Islamic Turkic nations such as the Göktürks used the crescent and star figure on their coins.
Heylel ben Shachar, Hilal bin Sahar, is the spirit of Anti-Christ which stand behind lies, fake, abominations and rebellious against Christ and His believer.The crescent who trying hard to rival The Morning Star. And in the end, this symbol was adopted by Muslims all around the world.
Most Muslims, not know about mazhab (line),or place(nation), assume that crescent was symbol of their faith, without knowing its true meaning.
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The Trinity
The Dragon, The Beast, and The False Prophet
The Dragon, The Beast, and The False Prophet
Trinity, is a teaching from Church about how God is. And always misinterpreted by non-Christians as three God, Trinity, never mention number in mathematic account. Because there were written:
Revelation 4:5
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5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God.
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6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth.
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Three in the Trinity, its not the number of God, and means there are three God. But, three power through manifestation and authority had stated by YHVH through all His prophets or His apostles and Son as His witnesses.
Satan, Heylel ben Shachar, also mention about this, in roundabout way. The minute he decided to be the rival of God, Satan was duplicating, turn thing upside down, and against God.
Three authority which introduced by YHVH, and believed by all Christians, had duplicated and adopted by Satan in the same manner, but used to against YHVH.
Begun with against the Father, Who sent the Son through Israel. Satan had sent the Star, the Anti-Christ to killed the Son, the Christ, and also to destroy Israel, and followed to destroy the Christ followers.
And against the Advocate Who sent by the Father after the Son ascend to heaven, the Dragon "sent" another advocate; the "false prophet", who masquerade as the advocate sent by the Son, to misleading all human being.
With the coming of "The Wicked Trinity" who against "The Holy Trinity", the prophecy became fulfil.
Revelation 16:13
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13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
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The Dragon against The Father
The Beast against The Son
The False Prophet against The Holy Spirit
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