‘Jesus Didn’t Come to Save Him’

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Syrian Jihadist Slits Throat of Christian Man Refusing to Deny Christ, Then Taunts Fiancée, 'Jesus Didn't Come to Save Him'





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(9) Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.


:)He is the Truth and the Life, He had promised you His Kingdom.
 
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The war crimes in Syria being waged by both the rebels and Assad's forces are horrific and disgusting, and Syria's Christians are one of the many groups that are being targeted and murdered. Others includes Shias, Alawites and Sunnis.

Executing prisoners of war is a vile and disgusting practice, and nothing justifies the murder with a knife of the young man. The article detailing his beheading though says nothing about his captors trying to convert him to Islam from Christianity before murdering him. Also, him wearing a uniform and the conversation the terrorists had with his fiancee indicates that he also was with a militia. While his murder is unjustified, it is not unlikely that he participated in war crimes also- that is what militias in Syria do, on all sides.
(Graphic) Muslim trophy in Syria: lifeless body of decapitated Christian child |

Regarding the beastly murder of the little girl, I would have no doubt believing that the Syrian rebels are capable of such a monstrosity, but where is your proof that they actually decapitated her? It is just as likely she was killed by a shell and they are cynically using her body for propaganda.
 
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This is why I hope Assad defeats these terrorists.

Why do you side with one terrorist over other terrorists?
"We Made Them Suck Their Own Blood off the Floor:" Assad's Other War Crimes



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A sketch of a detainee being hung from the ceiling by his wrists and beaten, a common torture technique in Syria. © 2012 Human Rights Watch. All Rights Reserved.
For the last month, Washington has been tying itself in knots over how to respond to the Syrian government's alleged use of chemical weapons. The Syrian people, meanwhile, are being subjected to ever-graver atrocities, most having nothing to do with poison gas. A new report from the United Nations Commission of Inquiry on Syria illuminates the increasingly brutal tactics that the country's government—and, to a lesser degree, rebels—are deploying against civilians, from electrocution and rape to enlisting medical professionals to help torture hospitalized detainees. Significantly, while the report focuses on the commission's findings from mid-May to mid-July and doesn't cover the August chemical-weapons attack near Damascus, it concludes that both sides are guilty of war crimes and also accuses pro-government forces of crimes against humanity.
Whether the international community will do anything to curb the escalating brutality is an open question, though Thursday's meeting between Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov may provide some answers. If the two sides can come together and craft an agreement to secure Syria's chemical-weapons stockpile, perhaps the international community can also find common ground on other measures to protect civilians—and hold Syria's war criminals to account.
Below is a roundup of atrocities laid out in the UN report.
Torture: "We made them suck their own blood off the floor."

The media and human rights groups have documented a raft of brutal torture methods deployed by government forces, including electrocution; beatings with batons, cables, and whips; mock execution; burning detainees with battery acid, and ripping out facial hair. A former Syrian intelligence officer who defected to Turkey described similarly cruel techniques in an interview with CNN last year saying, "We took their fingernails out with pliers and we made them eat them. We made them suck their own blood off the floor."
The UN report exposes some forms of torture that had not previously been documented in Syria, including simulated drowning and prolonged confinement in "squatting cells," where detainees can't stand upright or lie down. According to the report, "One detainee was held in such conditions for 10 months, beaten daily, suspended by his wrists for 17 days, burned with cigarettes, and subjected to electric shocks." The United Nations also found that medical professionals in Syrian military hospitals were involved in torturing hospitalized detainees, some of whom died of torture-related injuries.
At times, rebel forces have resorted to torture, too. Liwa Asifat al-Shamal, an anti-government faction north of Allepo, runs a 300-person prison where, according to the UN, detainees are stuffed in roughly four-foot holes and covered with sheet metal for two days at a stretch. Other factions have been known to use the "Dulab" method, which involves cramming the victim's legs and head inside a car tire and beating him with sticks, cables, or other objects.
Sexual violence: A Damascus nurse "was threatened with gang rape if she failed to reveal whom she was treating."

According to the UN, forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad routinely rape or threaten to rape women, men, and children whom they suspect have ties to rebels—usually during raids, at checkpoints, and in detention centers. One female detainee interviewed by the UN commission was forced to perform oral sex during interrogations, while another was told her children would be killed if she didn't have sex with her captors. The threat of rape is also used in intelligence gathering. According to the UN report, two women held in separate Damascus prisons "were told by their interrogators that their daughters would be raped if they did not confess. A nurse held at a police station in Damascus was threatened with gang rape if she failed to reveal whom she was treating."
Disappearances: One former detainee recalls being rushed by "dozens of women thrusting photographs of their male relatives" upon his release.

Disappearances have "risen exponentially" since the Syrian conflict began, a trend that has sewn terror among the civilians, according to the United Nations. What's more, families who try to find missing relatives risk the same fate. Often, a family's only hope of getting information about a disappeared relative is from other recently released detainees. (One man who had been detained by a government intelligence service told investigators that he was rushed by "dozens of women thrusting photographs of their male relatives" upon his release.) The UN report also notes that desperation of these families has made them targets for extortion: "Some families pay bribes to those who—often falsely—claimed they could provide them information."
Massacres: Videos showed "bloodied and tangled bodies of women and children, some of them mutilated or partly incinerated."

Contrary to claims from the Assad regime, which has blamed rebels for many of the atrocities, the UN commission found that pro-Assad forces were responsible for at least 8 massacres. Among the bloodiest was the assault on the Damascus suburb of Jdeidat Al-Fadel. In April, government forces shelled the area relentlessly, while snipers stationed along the roads out of town mowed down civilians trying to escape. The following month, the government staged its infamous raid on the Sunni villages of al-Bayda and Baniyas and slaughtered hundreds more civilians. Anti-regime activists captured video of the aftermath, which according to the BBC showed "bloodied and tangled bodies of women and children, some of them mutilated or partly incinerated." In other cases, government forces deliberately shelled hospitals, killing medical staff, along with sick and wounded civilians.
Rebel forces have also carried out at least one massacre, according to the UN. In mid May, a rebel militia, which included Sunni extremists, stormed the village of Hatla and battled pro-government Shiite fighters. Afterward, they stalked through the village executing Shiite civilians, including women and children, and burning down homes. A video of the raid, which was posted online, showed rebel fighters waving the black Salafi flag and chanting, "This is the Shia, this is the Shia carcass, this is their end."


"We Made Them Suck Their Own Blood off the Floor:" Assad's Other War Crimes | Mother Jones
 
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PREFACE



This thread, I made to highlight what Bible said and what happen today.
And I welcome CF members who want to post their view and opinion. Or want to send me PM regarding my posts.
I apologize to you, who feel not comfort with my posted/posts, in this forum.
I don't have any other intention, but show you what Bible said, which is proof of His works, The Almighty Who have warned His believer aware about His signs.
And thanks for the moderators.




Although Bible is an old book, written by human, more than 2000 years ago, but Bible never tell lies.
All because of His love, He inspired human with His Holy Spirit to guide people who seek True Love and True Life, taught believer, and makes His creature communicate with Him directly, through His only Son, His Word in flesh and blood, Jesus Christ.. Whose body died on the cross, raised from death and ascent to Heaven.


As Christian I see the past, the present, and the future from the Bible side.
And Three biggest religions in the world today were religion which claimed from the same root, Abraham.
Honestly, I don't know about Jews as much as I know about Christianity and Islam.
In my other thread, I have ask Muslims and show the different about Jesus Christ and Musllim Jesus(Jesus in Qur'an):
http://www.christianforums.com/t7780685/
so far(until today) there were nobody can proof that Christianity and Islam referred to the same Jesus.
OR, nobody can explain the different story from two Holy Book, except claimed from Qur'an that Bible were corrupted, BUT AGAIN without proof, or even show what kind of Bible which not corrupted.


After all, Christianity and Islam, both believe that Jesus will come before this world end.
according to Islam:

..and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. (Hadith Sahih Muslim Book 041, No. 7015)
(source: Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 7015.)



And this what Jesus Christ said, to warn His follower:

Matt 24:
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.



Is this coincidence?
Give me time, to share with you.




God bless
 
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dailymail said:
‘More than 300 Christians have been arrested since 2010, and dozens of church leaders and active community members have reportedly been convicted of national security crimes in connection with church activities, such as organizing prayer groups, proselytizing and attending Christian seminars abroad

Read more: Four Christians sentenced to 80 lashes for drinking communion wine in Iran | Mail Online




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source: Islam or death? Egypt's Christians targeted by new terror group | Fox News

Islam or death? Egypt's Christians targeted by new terror group





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(9) Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.


 
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THE PROPHECY




God prophecy were not merely a prediction, which have chance not to happen in the future.
but, prophecy contain His promise, and its mean there are no doubt it will happen in the future.

Isaiah 46:9-11
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.

There's a time, a prophecy fulfil more than one time. This called "double prophecy" in different time and situation.
I will give you one example of double prophecy, which was written in

Isaiah 7:10-16:
10 Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, 11 “Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.”
12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.”
13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.



Christians in present days, believe that these talk about Jesus Christ. But these prophecy were fulfil in Ahas time.

And the coming of Messiah also not only one time. But Messiah will come two time, which is Jesus in Christianity, as we knew Jews refuse Jesus as their Messiah, but it doesn't mean the promise to the Jews NOT fulfil, but this haven't fulfil.
For we, as Christians believe the second coming of Jesus, He will lead battle against Satan, or in the Revelation written as Dragon and the Beast.
 
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Why do you side with one terrorist over other terrorists?
Because Assad is secular and if he loses then all minority groups will be slaughtered because they will take revenge for the war even if the Minority groups never fought.

Neither side is ideal but if I had to choose a side, I would choose the side that protects Christians.
 
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Because Assad is secular and if he loses then all minority groups will be slaughtered because they will take revenge for the war even if the Minority groups never fought.

Neither side is ideal but if I had to choose a side, I would choose the side that protects Christians.
You seem to be saying that if one side persecutes and murders other people but leaves Christians alone for the most part, you will support it over others that include Christians among the groups they are persecuting and killing.

In the Ukraine during the Second World War, though both sides killed both Jews and Christians, Hitler did not launch a concerted effort to destroy the Ukrainian churches like Stalin did. Does this mean that, in spite of the Holocaust, you would have backed him up?
 
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Three Children of Isaiah


The prophecy not only written in metaphor or parable form, there's a time the prophecy came from the event had happened in the past, and fulfil in the different way and time in the future.
One example;

The Bronze Snake

4 They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea,[c] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; 5 they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!”
6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

Although these verses happened in the past, not merely metaphor nor parable, but these verses were fulfil by Jesus Christ.
As we know, snake were cursed by God, but the bronze snake which put up on a pole were able to save the bitten people who looked at it.
Despite Jesus hanged on the cross, which the hanged people were cursed, but whoever believe in Him will be saved.

In Isaiah there's both allegory and reality. Represent prophecy for the next generation.
And I will bring to you Isaiah and His Children as Signs...


The First Children
The first child was Isaiah's son, Shear-Jashub

Isaiah 7:3-9
3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out, you and your son Shear-Jashub,[a] to meet Ahaz at the end of the aqueduct of the Upper Pool, on the road to the Launderer’s Field. 4 Say to him, ‘Be careful, keep calm and don’t be afraid. Do not lose heart because of these two smoldering stubs of firewood—because of the fierce anger of Rezin and Aram and of the son of Remaliah. 5 Aram, Ephraim and Remaliah’s son have plotted your ruin, saying, 6 “Let us invade Judah; let us tear it apart and divide it among ourselves, and make the son of Tabeel king over it.” 7 Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘It will not take place,
it will not happen,
8 for the head of Aram is Damascus,
and the head of Damascus is only Rezin.
Within sixty-five years
Ephraim will be too shattered to be a people.
9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria,
and the head of Samaria is only Remaliah’s son.
If you do not stand firm in your faith,
you will not stand at all.’”

Shear-Jashub means a remnant shall escape or return (i.e., to God). This child was sign of God prophecy about Ephraim will shattered.



The Second Children
The second child wasn't Isaiah's son.

Isaiah 7:10-17


10 Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, 11 “Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.”
12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.”
13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[a] a sign: The virgin[b] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[c] will call him Immanuel.[d] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”
Immanuel means God with us, this child was sign the coming of king of Assyria to Judah.


The Third Children
The third child was Isaiah's son, Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz.

Isaiah 8:1-4


8 The Lord said to me, “Take a large scroll and write on it with an ordinary pen: Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz.”[a] 2 So I called in Uriah the priest and Zechariah son of Jeberekiah as reliable witnesses for me. 3 Then I made love to the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. And the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz. 4 For before the boy knows how to say ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria.”
Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz means quick to the plunder, swift to the spoil.
This child was sign of the plundered Damascus and Samaria





The Jew, The Christian and The Muslim

The first child in Isaiah represent the Jews which shattered but managed to come back to the promised land.

The first child in Isaiah its become double prophecy with Jesus's born, and become triple prophecy for Christians who believe Jesus as God incarnation.

The third child in Isaiah represent Muslims, who spread Islam with a lot of war story which written in hadiths and nowadays war/violation under religion pennon.

The first and the third child were came from Isaiah, but the second child wasn't came from him.
Just like what Jesus said about His disciples in:

John 15:18-19

18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

 
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You seem to be saying that if one side persecutes and murders other people but leaves Christians alone for the most part, you will support it over others that include Christians among the groups they are persecuting and killing.

In the Ukraine during the Second World War, though both sides killed both Jews and Christians, Hitler did not launch a concerted effort to destroy the Ukrainian churches like Stalin did. Does this mean that, in spite of the Holocaust, you would have backed him up?

Yea, that's it... geez
 
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Five arrested in Tiananmen Square incident, deemed a terrorist attack

source: Five arrested in Tiananmen Square incident, deemed a terrorist attack - CNN.com

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In addition, authorities found knives and a "jihad" flag in the temporary residence of the five detained suspects, it added.
Tensions between Han Chinese and the largely Muslim Uyghurs have sometimes turned violent.



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P.S. As I ever stated before..
Why there always no peace and tolerant wherever the muslims are?
The answer are in the Bible
 
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You seem to be saying that if one side persecutes and murders other people but leaves Christians alone for the most part, you will support it over others that include Christians among the groups they are persecuting and killing.
Yes. Persecution is happening regardless of the situation and who is in control. I would rather support somebody who is neutral to Christians over somebody who is hostile. This is a Muslim war and Christians are caught in the middle. I love our Syrian Christians and support what they want. Christians in Syria were happy living under Assad because he was secular. The terrorists want to take over Syria and they will institute Islamic law that calls for the subjugation of Christians. They will be treated as second class citizens.

In the Ukraine during the Second World War, though both sides killed both Jews and Christians, Hitler did not launch a concerted effort to destroy the Ukrainian churches like Stalin did. Does this mean that, in spite of the Holocaust, you would have backed him up?
I wouldn't support either side because they both killed millions. Stalin persecuted Christianity and Hitler was an enemy to the US.

If I was forced to pick a side and I couldn't get out of it I would go with Hitler because Stalin killed far more people. Stalin held power for much longer and persecuted far more people. This decision is from an objective point of view and I am not taking the fact that Hitler was an enemy to the US into consideration. If I answered from an American point of view I would support Stalin. Both are evil so there is no easy choice.
 
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