The Nephilim could return in UFO craft

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Angels have material bodies:

2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground,
3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.
4 "Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
5 "And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant." They said, "Do as you have said."
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes."
7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it.
8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. (Genesis 18:2-8 NKJ)

Compare the analogy of Christ's resurrected body, which ate and drank and could be touched:

37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39 "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?"
42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.
43 And He took it and ate in their presence. (Luke 24:37-43 NKJ)


Since the Catholic Council of Lateran, A.D. 1215 decided angels are incorporeal spirits it remains the common opinion, but Acts 23:8-9 contradicts the definition they are one entity:


The Pharisees confess both, the resurrection and revelation by angel OR spirit:

8 For Sadducees say that there is no resurrection-- and no angel or spirit; but the Pharisees confess both.
9 Then there arose a loud outcry. And the scribes of the Pharisees' party arose and protested, saying, "We find no evil in this man; but if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him, let us not fight against God." (Act 23:8-9 NKJ)

Paul switches from flesh to heavenly and earthly bodies in vs 40, both are material as both are σῶμα:

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. (1Corinthians 15:39-41 NKJ)

Enoch (Genesis 5:24), Moses and Elijah (Mark 9:4; 2 Kings 2:11), and the resurrected Jesus Christ (Acts 1:9), are in heaven physically. Nothing in the description of New Jerusalem descending down from heaven seems immaterial (Revelation 21:10-22:5).

"M-Theory or Matrix Theory", Bible style: Within the infinite (1 Kings 8:27) Ocean of Essence that is God, two alternate realities consist (Colossians 1:17) by God's concurrence: the "complete" (τέλειος) and the "partial" (μέρος). It is the absence of divine revelation that renders our sphere "that which is in part." When the more substantial "complete" arrives, the partial will be done away:

10 But when that which is perfect (τέλειος) has come, then that which is in part (μέρος) will be done away. (1Corinthians 13:10 NKJ)

Therefore, everyone in Heaven is materially more substantial than everyone in our partial matrix.

God is Spirit (John 4:24) uniquely, He is not to be likened (Isaiah 40:25; 46:6) to finite spirits in holographic heaven or earth. This is why infinite God, prior to the incarnation, manifested a finite form in heaven so its inhabitants could commune with Him: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Phi 2:6 KJV)

Its time we realize the great falling away:

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, (2 Thessalonians 2:3 NKJ)

Intending to change times and law:

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. (Dan 7:25 NKJ)

Will affect all of Christendom. They will be shaken to their core. Fallen angels appearing upon the earth, physically....Just as they did in the Days of Noah in Gen c. 6...and no one warned them.

Catching the church completely unprepared as they don't know Satan's Nephilim can be physical and arrive in actual UFO craft. Many will conclude the Bible is fundamentally wrong and fall away.



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11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, (2Th 2:11 NKJ)

Compare:

11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13 And Pharaoh's heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, as the LORD had said.
(Exo 7:11-13 NKJ)

22 Then the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments; and Pharaoh's heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, as the LORD had said.
23 And Pharaoh turned and went into his house. Neither was his heart moved by this. (Exo 7:22-23 NKJ)

15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not heed them, as the LORD had said. (Exo 8:15 NKJ)


Might God allow the antichrist take down a few angels (compare Daniel 10:13), and trample them...so as Pharaoh did, he suppose he has a chance fighting against Almighty God?

10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. (Dan 8:10 NKJ)
 
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Angels have material bodies:

Since the Catholic Council of Lateran, A.D. 1215 decided angels are incorporeal spirits it remains the common opinion, but Acts 23:8-9 contradicts the definition they are one entity:

The Pharisees confess both, the resurrection and revelation by angel OR spirit:

8 For Sadducees say that there is no resurrection-- and no angel or spirit; but the Pharisees confess both.
9 Then there arose a loud outcry. And the scribes of the Pharisees' party arose and protested, saying, "We find no evil in this man; but if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him, let us not fight against God." (Act 23:8-9 NKJ)


Paul switches from flesh to heavenly and earthly bodies in vs 40, both are material as both are σῶμα:

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. (1Corinthians 15:39-41 NKJ)

Enoch (Genesis 5:24), Moses and Elijah (Mark 9:4; 2 Kings 2:11)), and the resurrected Jesus Christ (Acts 1:9), are in heaven physically. Nothing in the description of New Jerusalem descending down from heaven seems immaterial (Revelation 21:10-22:5).

"M-Theory or Matrix Theory", Bible style: Within the infinite Ocean of Essence that is God, two alternate realities consist by God's concurrence: the "complete" (τέλειος) and the "partial" (μέρος). It is the absence of divine revelation that renders our sphere "that which is in part." When the more substantial "complete" arrives, the partial will be done away:

10 But when that which is perfect (τέλειος) has come, then that which is in part (μέρος) will be done away. (1Corinthians 13:10 NKJ)

Hence all beings in Heaven are materially more substantial than we.

God is Spirit (John 4:24) uniquely, He is not to be likened (Isaiah 40:25; 46:6) to finite spirits in holographic heaven. This is why infinite God, prior to the incarnation, manifested a finite form in heaven so its inhabitants could commune with Him: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Phi 2:6 KJV)

Its time we realize the great falling away, which evidently affects all of Christendom, might very well spring from fallen angels appearing upon the earth, physically....Just as they did in the Days of Noah in Gen c. 6.

Catching the church completely unprepared as they don't know Satan's Nephilim can be physical and arrive in actual UFO craft. Many will conclude the Bible is fundamentally wrong and fall away.

I don't believe in UFO and I doubt fallen angels will appear as in the days of Noah

But if fallen angels come on space craft ..why would that cause Christians to doubt their faith in Christ? ...
 
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Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Notice the scriptures say angels? That even angels cannot separate us from the love of god
 
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I don't believe in UFO and I doubt fallen angels will appear as in the days of Noah

But if fallen angels come on space craft ..why would that cause Christians to doubt their faith in Christ? ...

If you are one of the elect, it can't:

24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. (Mat 24:24 NKJ)

Its elementary Satan wouldn't take all the effort to make the world believe in UFO's, if it weren't part of his master plan.

Think about it, consider how the idea of UFO's has become accepted throughout the earth...in only 100 years.

We are being conditioned to accept it as truth. So what happens when UFO aliens actually arrive in real spaceships that can be touched, and they point to every religious book as proof they been here before?

It will make the world's religions obsolete.

If you are one of the elect, you will see through their disguise.

But the rest of the world, will turn on Babylon the Great, with a vengeance.

And Christendom certainly is part of Babylon the Great.
 
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If you are one of the elect, it can't:

24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. (Mat 24:24 NKJ)

Its elementary Satan wouldn't take all the effort to make the world believe in UFO's, if it weren't part of his master plan.

Think about it, consider how the idea of UFO's has become accepted throughout the earth...in only 100 years.

We are being conditioned to accept it as truth. So what happens when UFO aliens actually arrive in real spaceships that can be touched, and they point to every religious book as proof they been here before?

It will make the world's religions obsolete.

If you are one of the elect, you will see through their disguise.

But the rest of the world, will turn on Babylon the Great, with a vengeance.

And Christendom certainly is part of Babylon the Great.

I have more questions :)

What makes one an elect?

What part of Christendom is a part of Babylon?

What kind of deception are you refering to that satan does with UFO ?

What miracles signs and wonders do you think will take place?
 
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To the OP.

NIV-This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being

NLT-This little horn had eyes like human eyes

ESV-in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man

KJV-in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man


Definitely not fully human or at least Daniel doesn't think so. They say that the eyes are the windows to the soul and it seems that Daniel picks up on this.

UFO's ?.....Absolutely....:thumbsup:
 
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Angles do not need UFO's

There are three groupings of fallen angles

The powers and principalities of the air, those that are still free and have access to heaven, including Satan

Those in imprisoned in the abyss [the entrance is under the ocean today]

Those bound at the Euphrates River

All will come to the earth during the Lord's hour of trial and judgment

.... to serve Satan, to kill massive numbers of humans, and to receive their own judgment
 
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But if fallen angels come on space craft ..why would that cause Christians to doubt their faith in Christ? ...


Because not all "Christians" have real faith. They believe in science, scientology, technology, and man made gods, they just worship Christ on the outside, because they think it gives them a moral advantage over others. They believe they justify themselves, ultimately.


for it were better to them not to have acknowledged the way of the righteousness, than having acknowledged [it], to turn back from the holy command delivered to them,
and happened to them hath that of the true similitude; `A dog did turn back upon his own vomit,' and, `A sow having bathed herself -- to rolling in mire.'
-- 2 PETER 2:21-22.
 
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No Nephilim will be appearing and they definitely won't be coming in UFO's.
Who thinks this nonsense up?

Idk but there are a lot if UFO theories

That UFO exist
That its a gov experiment
That there will be a UFO invasion
Holograms
Star Wars the space project
UFO abducting the church up into space
The bible talks about UFO
It goes on and on :)
 
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Because not all "Christians" have real faith. They believe in science, scientology, technology, and man made gods, they just worship Christ on the outside, because they think it gives them a moral advantage over others. They believe they justify themselves, ultimately.


for it were better to them not to have acknowledged the way of the righteousness, than having acknowledged [it], to turn back from the holy command delivered to them,
and happened to them hath that of the true similitude; `A dog did turn back upon his own vomit,' and, `A sow having bathed herself -- to rolling in mire.'
-- 2 PETER 2:21-22.

A dog is a false prophet in prophetic language...,and the sow was an unclean animal ...the sow was clean by the blood of Jesus and faith but turn from the holy command to love one another ... Same for the dog... Who vomit out the filth only to return to the filth

These two examples show two religious people having the faith then leaving the faith and command to love god and love people .. And do the opposite of the commandments of Christ
 
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So you're saying that they had true faith. That doesn't make sense at all.

The person began in one state (a dog or pig) which is considered unclean (unsaved). They became outwardly clean but later returned to their old ways because they never were true believers. IOW they were always unclean animals. This is the purpose of the passage.

Note that the earlier verse (v 20) says: IF INDEED HAVING ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD. εἰ

1487 ei εἰ if Conj

1063 gar γὰρ indeed Conj

1068 apophygontes ἀποφυγόντες having escaped Verb

So the whole thing is casting into question the salvation of the person from the very start. It is: Once-saved-always-saved-IF-SAVED. The pollutions of the world are worldly ways, deeds, actions... escapting them is not proof of one's faith, as we know that many can deceive themselves into thinking they are righteous, when they are not. For the "righteous shall live by faith".
 
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So you're saying that they had true faith. That doesn't make sense at all.

The person began in one state (a dog or pig) which is considered unclean (unsaved). They became outwardly clean but later returned to their old ways because they never were true believers. IOW they were always unclean animals. This is the purpose of the passage.

Note that the earlier verse (v 20) says: IF INDEED HAVING ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD. εἰ

1487 ei εἰ if Conj

1063 gar γὰρ indeed Conj

1068 apophygontes ἀποφυγόντες having escaped Verb

So the whole thing is casting into question the salvation of the person from the very start. It is: Once-saved-always-saved-IF-SAVED. The pollutions of the world are worldly ways, deeds, actions... escapting them is not proof of one's faith, as we know that many can deceive themselves into thinking they are righteous, when they are not. For the "righteous shall live by faith".

They were only clean on the outside? I can see the pig being clean on the outside but the dog well he vomit up the old ways but returned to it
 
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IMO, there are no aliens from outer space, it's a deception on people to believe the lie or a lie that keeps them in confusion. The wheat and the tares grow up together until the harvest, and nobody knows the difference because of lies.

The general idea of aliens from another planet do have a variety of stories and one that is common in many is that an alien comes to earth to warn us about imminent destruction and he tries to save the world.

Who comes in the end-time to save this world?

Who was it that the world rejected and crucified?

Who is usually the one killed in the fictitious movies?

Who would you think then is the real alien that earth rejects?

Christ will come and re-establish Himself and his laws on earth and I believe it's Christ whom we fear as an alien coming with his angels and in his Fathers Glory.

I believe that the world has been whitewashed and can't see it. According to scripture and our present world, I would then believe that we are the aliens and have been told otherwise. We, the fallen human race has swarmed over and invaded God's planet Earth and we are destroying it so that future generations will not have much chance of survival.

Many are called and few are chosen, and only a portion of earth will be spared as we read in scripture. Those who are saved from destruction will be the few and are the so-called aliens that are set apart from the alienated majority. The world has turned away from God and we have everything backward.

I can't see any truth in alien myths but there is a spiritual parallel that is the truth about us.
 
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I don't know for sure I mean the bible makes it clear that some depart from the faith... Having walked in the faith only to rebel against it in the end

So they were saved until they left it

Of those you mentioned: I don't believe that any are saved to start with, they only think they are, they are deceived. The real children will awaken along with all of the virgins and then we will all know our true identity.
 
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Of those you mentioned: I don't believe that any are saved to start with, they only think they are, they are deceived. The real children will awaken along with all of the virgins and then we will all know our true identity.


Who do you think are the real children that awakes
And who are the virgins? Please explain what you mean?
 
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