certain Christian groups in the past have attempted to put a date to Armageddon?

spiritandtruth2 said:

It's interesting the Jesus doesn't know, he is probably waiting for his Father's instructions.

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THEREIN IN IS ONE VERY GOOD REASON JESUS IS NOT GOD!

barry

barryrob said:

THEREIN IN IS ONE VERY GOOD REASON JESUS IS NOT GOD!

barry

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"Then came Jesus ... And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jn 20:26,28

netzarim said:

"Then came Jesus ... And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jn 20:26,28

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Thomas had a few doubts, so you can excuse him for thinking Jesus was God Almighty.

John 1:18: “No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.”

Scripture always puts thing in context if you dig deep enough.

spiritandtruth2 said:

Thomas had a few doubts, so you can excuse him for thinking Jesus was God Almighty.

John 1:18: “No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.”

Scripture always puts thing in context if you dig deep enough.

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Jn 1:18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός, ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο

The ἑώρακεν is in the Greek perfect tense, which refers to event(s) which occurred in the past. So, in this instance, the verse is saying "No one has ever(in the past) seen God ..."

This leaves room for the Son as the manifestation of the Father. Nobody has seen God before Messiah's arrival. So, Thomas correctly identified Him as that manifestation.

joneysd said:

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

yep scripture does it every time.

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I have some friends who are twins the look alike, think alike speak the same, in fact once you have seen one, it like seeing the other, but they are two completely different people.

Jesus was like his Father in many respects as they were in agreement with each other, the same purpose in mind to get the job done, he imitated his Fathers Qualities and so on, so he could say I'm just like my father, when you see me it's as if you have seen my Father. Simple reasoning.

What did Jesus say when someone called him Good Teacher, he didn't consider himself his Father did he?

Mark 10:18

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18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

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Luke 18:18-19
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The Rich and the Kingdom of God

18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

You have to get behind what is really being said in real terms, you then get the Scripture in context, it does it every time when we dig deeper .

netzarim said:

"Then came Jesus ... And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jn 20:26,28

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If that is as you say, then who is Jesus' God:-

Matthew 27:46
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′li, E′li, la′ma sa·bach·tha′ni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

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spiritandtruth2 said:

I have some friends who are twins the look alike, think alike speak the same, in fact once you have seen one, it like seeing the other, but they are two completely different people.

Jesus was like his Father in many respects as they were in agreement with each other, the same purpose in mind to get the job done, he imitated his Fathers Qualities and so on, so he could say I'm just like my father, when you see me it's as if you have seen my Father. Simple reasoning.

What did Jesus say when someone called him Good Teacher, he didn't consider himself his Father did he?

Mark 10:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Also here

Luke 18:18-19
New International Version (NIV)
The Rich and the Kingdom of God

18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

You have to get behind what is really being said in real terms, you then get the Scripture in context, it does it every time when we dig deeper .

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Yes you have to get behind what is really said in real terms, then you get the Scripture in context! In the Scripture Jesus did not say that He was not good. If your interpretation is correct Jesus could not have said that He was the good shepherd.

Der Alter said:

Yes you have to get behind what is really said in real terms, then you get the Scripture in context! In the Scripture Jesus did not say that He was not good. If your interpretation is correct Jesus could not have said that He was the good shepherd.

Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.​

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As Jesus was put in charge of the Christian Congregations from his Father to watch over them, that is a very appropriate title.

He was a marvellous example for the brothers in charge to imitate Jesus.

Isaiah 40:11

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11 He tends his flock like a shepherd:
He gathers the lambs in his arms
and carries them close to his heart;
he gently leads those that have young.

Jesus was really good at that, we need to imitate him also.

He was the fine Shepherd after all.

I know what your good at.

Originally Posted by barryrob

THEREIN IN IS ONE VERY GOOD REASON JESUS IS NOT GOD!

barry
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netzarim said:

"Then came Jesus ... And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jn 20:26,28

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Couldn't 'God' be rendered as 'Elohiym'?

However, 'Lord' could be rendered as 'YAHWEH'

Mark 12:29 The yet JESUS answered him "that first of all the commandments 'be thou hearing! Israel, LORD/YAHWEH, God/'Elohiym of us, LORD/YAHWEH one is'". [Exodus 6:4]

I admit, I am a bit confused on that


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joneysd said:

oh my goodness you actually talked about twins as if that answered the scriptures.lol

basics as Jesus was God in flesh, flesh is sinful, so how could you call a man Good as they are all sinners.
just basics really.

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How have you arrived at the point you are making that Jesus was Almighty God in the flesh and that he was sinful.

joneysd said:

Jesus was God in the flesh, fully man and fully God, the fact is he took our sins upon himself.

I also think his reference to call no man Good was to show how pointless trying to keep the law was.

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You seem to have some funny idea's what the Scriptures are saying, we will just have agree to disagree my friend.

joneysd said:

end of the world if you like and have ended up being wrong despite claiming God told them these dates.
Should these past inaccuracies taint what we think of those groups now as the bible says they should be considered false prophets.

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It really can and it really - usually - should. But, you should also be mature and go "what was God saying here". I have found some of the more strange beliefs, be they mainstream and accepted or cultic have had some value of thought for me. Problems tend to arise when people get "one group focused" like any one group has all the answers. Even with angels, you will find that you get a wide variety of angles to any "truth". Truth varies as situations vary. The Gospels and that message is the only thing said to last..... and how little people ever talk or want to talk about that.