Is Belief That Jesus Is God Necessary For Salvation?

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When I was first Saved, I had a lot of uncertainty about the divinity of Jesus. I had been introduced to the Bible by some very nice Jehovah's Witnesses, who do not believe so. It made a deep impression on me. As I continued to be exposed to Trinitarian doctrine in my new church, the conflict began to build in me to a tremendous point, and I had no peace.

I counseled with my pastor on it, and he wisely did not pressure me with proof texts. I kept mulling over it, quite in despair, and finally realized that I was incapable of making the determination. That led to me, in faith, giving it to the Lord, deciding that He was able to show me what I needed to know. It would have to be from Him, because I had heard all sides, and had gotten to the place where I could not trust man on this, one way or the other. This was a great release for me. I had peace again, and was free to worship the Lord based on what I knew, not on what I didn't know but was supposed to believe. The Lord loves a trusting heart.

It took about 9 months or so, but as I kept reading, meditating and praying, the inexorable answer to my question began to dawn on me. All the texts point to it, though some admittedly are obscure. Jesus is indeed LORD.

But the point is this. I was saved before I made that confession. Hebrews 13 tells us that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. God is not sitting there with a catechism to see if we pass the test. His concern is always the heart, not the superficial head. If you give Him your heart, He will work the rest out for you. I knew that Jesus was God's one and only way of salvation, and that was enough to get me in the door. The rest came later. We need to accept people where they are and let God work on them on His timetable.

Some people, of course, try to take hard cases to belittle the faith and use doctrinal hair-splitting as an excuse not to believe. The Sadducees did this when they concocted the story about the woman who was sequentially married to seven brothers according to Levrite law. The question was to which one she would be married in the resurrection. But Jesus' answer is telling. Not only did they not understand the nature of the resurrection, in which there won't be marriage, but they were ignorant of the "power of God" - a far more serious problem. They had limited God by trying to fit Him into their bias toward Scripture, and had to come up with sophomoric puzzles to justify their own unbelief. It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now.

If you have a heart for Jesus, come to Him as you are, doubts, uncertainties and all. He well knows how to clean you up. He specializes in that. Ultimately there is no excuse for not coming. He has already done it all, paid it all. The Source of all Love awaits your decision.
 
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When I was first Saved, I had a lot of uncertainty about the divinity of Jesus. I had been introduced to the Bible by some very nice Jehovah's Witnesses, who do not believe so. It made a deep impression on me. As I continued to be exposed to Trinitarian doctrine in my new church, the conflict began to build in me to a tremendous point, and I had no peace.

I counseled with my pastor on it, and he wisely did not pressure me with proof texts. I kept mulling over it, quite in despair, and finally realized that I was incapable of making the determination. That led to me, in faith, giving it to the Lord, deciding that He was able to show me what I needed to know. It would have to be from Him, because I had heard all sides, and had gotten to the place where I could not trust man on this, one way or the other. This was a great release for me. I had peace again, and was free to worship the Lord based on what I knew, not on what I didn't know but was supposed to believe. The Lord loves a trusting heart.

It took about 9 months or so, but as I kept reading, meditating and praying, the inexorable answer to my question began to dawn on me. All the texts point to it, though some admittedly are obscure. Jesus is indeed LORD.

But the point is this. I was saved before I made that confession. Hebrews 13 tells us that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. God is not sitting there with a catechism to see if we pass the test. His concern is always the heart, not the superficial head. If you give Him your heart, He will work the rest out for you. I knew that Jesus was God's one and only way of salvation, and that was enough to get me in the door. The rest came later. We need to accept people where they are and let God work on them on His timetable.

Some people, of course, try to take hard cases to belittle the faith and use doctrinal hair-splitting as an excuse not to believe. The Sadducees did this when they concocted the story about the woman who was sequentially married to seven brothers according to Levrite law. The question was to which one she would be married in the resurrection. But Jesus' answer is telling. Not only did they not understand the nature of the resurrection, in which there won't be marriage, but they were ignorant of the "power of God" - a far more serious problem. They had limited God by trying to fit Him into their bias toward Scripture, and had to come up with sophomoric puzzles to justify their own unbelief. It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now.

If you have a heart for Jesus, come to Him as you are, doubts, uncertainties and all. He well knows how to clean you up. He specializes in that. Ultimately there is no excuse for not coming. He has already done it all, paid it all. The Source of all Love awaits your decision.

I don't write this to question your salvation or your faith, but thing is that the Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is not the same Jesus as the Christian one. So a JW does not have faith in the Jesus of the Scriptures. They don't trust the Savior. They trust their own version of a savior.
 
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One further thought, VR. Jesus put it this way:

​If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. -Jn 7.17
Essentially, all it takes is a sincere heart, a willingness to receive the Light given. If you go to God with that, He will put things in perspective and give you the answers you need to go on. He's not talking about compulsion, He's talking about a pure conviction - indeed, revelation - in the heart. Those that are unwilling, however, will never reach that place.
 
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Take the ancient Arians for example, who believed that Jesus was a created being, subordinate to the Father, but still trusted him as savior and the only way to Heaven.

Would their belief that Jesus was not God put them into hell, or would their faith in Jesus allow them into Heaven?

The Son of Man Jesus NEEDS to be God. Otherwise, the Christian theology will not hold. This requirement is independent on how does one believe.
 
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Jesus is God because His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. No where in Scripture does Jesus ever say that He is the Father. This is how I understand the Trinity.

What is required of salvation is faith that Christ is the Son of God, died for your sins and was resurrected by the Father in order to take his Lordship over the elect at the Father's right hand. Christ is the embodiment of God (the Father) in flesh.

You cannot be saved unless you are reborn (John 3).
 
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Brother...with all due respect, Jesus said the following:


John 10:30 KJV
[30] I and my Father are one.

Amen
I was going to post that :)
Yeshua said to His Desciples "have I been with you this long time and you ask show me the Father"
God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit and the three are One
 
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Yes, it is necessary. We must believe what Jesus said about himself because if we don't then he will not be saved. (John 8:24)

The doctrine of the trinity is clear in the bible but many people cannot grasp this so they deny it. We should not deny something just because we cannot wrap our heads around how it is possible. We do not exist like God exists and we cannot comprehend his state of being.

We know that this is how it is but this doesn't mean we will every fully comprehend it. We can grow in our understanding but we are still limited. We cannot scientifically prove that God exists as a trinity so we can only accept what is written and understand it to the best of our ability.
 
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Jesus is God because His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. No where in Scripture does Jesus ever say that He is the Father. This is how I understand the Trinity.

What is required of salvation is faith that Christ is the Son of God, died for your sins and was resurrected by the Father in order to take his Lordship over the elect at the Father's right hand. Christ is the embodiment of God (the Father) in flesh.

You cannot be saved unless you are reborn (John 3).

I don't think anyone claims that Jesus is the Father.
The trinity is simply that God is three in one; He is a being who "consists" of three persons: The Father, The Son (Jesus), and The Holy Spirit.

This is often pictured as a triangle: one shape made of three separate edges, together they make one triangle.
 
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Yes, it is necessary. We must believe what Jesus said about himself because if we don't then he will not be saved. (John 8:24)

The doctrine of the trinity is clear in the bible but many people cannot grasp this so they deny it. We should not deny something just because we cannot wrap our heads around how it is possible. We do not exist like God exists and we cannot comprehend his state of being.

We know that this is how it is but this doesn't mean we will every fully comprehend it. We can grow in our understanding but we are still limited. We cannot scientifically prove that God exists as a trinity so we can only accept what is written and understand it to the best of our ability.

Sure we can prove it because all Scripture is God breathed
John1:1-14 Scriptues also says all things were made by Him (Yeshua) and for Him and nothing was made that was not made by Him (Yeshua)
Here are some Scriptures could find more but need to get some sleep Prayerfully I awake refreshed and get to go to Church ..
ohh there is some place written in the BIble that the Spirit of the Lord moved upon the waters .. I think I don't have time to look it up right now but here are some verses that prove the Trinity
Isaiah 43:14-15 Isaiah 44:6 Isaiah 47:4 Hebrews 1:8
 
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Jesus is God because His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. No where in Scripture does Jesus ever say that He is the Father. This is how I understand the Trinity.

What is required of salvation is faith that Christ is the Son of God, died for your sins and was resurrected by the Father in order to take his Lordship over the elect at the Father's right hand. Christ is the embodiment of God (the Father) in flesh.

You cannot be saved unless you are reborn (John 3).

No.

The Trinity is God in three Persons - Father, Son , & Holy Spirit.

The Father is not the Son or the Spirit; the Son is not the Father or Spirit; & the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.

Jesus is fully God & fully man, the Son incarnate, but He is NOT the Father nor the Holy Spirit in flesh.
 
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Take the ancient Arians for example, who believed that Jesus was a created being, subordinate to the Father, but still trusted him as savior and the only way to Heaven.

Would their belief that Jesus was not God put them into hell, or would their faith in Jesus allow them into Heaven?

Hi there :)

I believe God judges us based on what we do know, not on what we don't know.

Belief in the divinity of Christ is an essential Christian doctrine, but one may still be right with God before they know this doctrine. When I first decided to follow Jesus, I did not know that Jesus was fully God & fully man. Once I learned more about the faith, I accepted the doctrine - which Christians have traditionally & Scripturally believed.

As another poster alluded to, I don't think God's first priority is that we know all of the right theology, but that we are following Him & seeking to live a life of love & grace like Jesus. He knows our hearts & as we follow Him we learn & grow in the faith.
 
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Take the ancient Arians for example, who believed that Jesus was a created being, subordinate to the Father, but still trusted him as savior and the only way to Heaven.

Would their belief that Jesus was not God put them into hell, or would their faith in Jesus allow them into Heaven?

I think it is possible to have an imperfect understanding yet still be saved.
 
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Take the ancient Arians for example, who believed that Jesus was a created being, subordinate to the Father, but still trusted him as savior and the only way to Heaven.

Would their belief that Jesus was not God put them into hell, or would their faith in Jesus allow them into Heaven?

What I have learned from reading and hearing Scripture taught tells me that believing Jesus is God is necessary for salvation, specifically believing upon Him. The more I read and listen, the more it becomes so clear and the path to salvation so simple. Satan is the author of confusion; his spirit complicates things, but God's word is such simple truth.

We need Jesus because we will be subjected to judgment at the last day. No mortal can satisfy God's judgment; it is impossible in the confines of flesh to be perfect according to His law as it is reveled in Scripture. Jesus satisfied that requirement: perfection under God's law. He satisfied God's judgment, became sin for us so that if we flee to Christ, hide in Him, are found in Him at judgment, His righteousness will be imputed onto us.

No being created of God can be perfect. Only God is. That is why it is necessary to believe that Jesus is God, for if He wasn't then there isn't any way possible that He could have atoned for our sins.

I believe that belief is what is necessary for salvation and the rest is more or less details, the specific denominations of Christianity reflecting the different measures of faith which the Holy Spirit has given to each believer.

One thing must precede all of this, however, and that is that one must first be convicted of their sins before they can believe upon Christ. You must feel as though you need a Saviour before you can entrust in Christ that He is your Saviour. What I have read, as well as the experience of my life and what I have known in discussion with others, has led me to the conviction that conviction of our sins is something which can only be done by the work of the Holy Spirit.

This is what I have been given to understand thus far in my walk of faith which I pray will ever be kept by the power of the Holy Spirit so that I may not fall from the lovingkindness of God now that He has called me to Him.
 
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I'm uncomfortable attaching certain requirements to God's free gift of salvation.

The faith that justifies, which God gives as grace, is trust in Christ to save us. I believe even the infant can have this faith, and for which reason they are baptized in the Church. Not that the infant can rationally wrap her or his little mind around the great big theology of that faith, because that faith isn't a rational comprehension of the Gospel, but a pure trust of the Gospel.

That pure trust of the Gospel--which God gives--is how God justifies us, saving us. I'm uncomfortable attaching more to that, by attaching extraneous conditions that focus on things we must accomplish we are shifting the focus away from God's sole regenerative work accomplished once and for all in Christ and delivered to us by His Word and Sacraments creating and sustaining faith in us to what we must do.

Frankly, I like what St. Theophan, an Eastern Orthodox saint, says:

"You ask, will the heterodox be saved... Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins..."

Theophan then goes on to say that one who is Orthodox and turns away from Orthodoxy forsakes their soul, and technically Theophan here is talking about non-Orthodox, i.e. Roman Catholics, Protestants, etc. That said, I think the sentiment in the above is significant here. It's not our job to concern ourselves with the salvation of those who reside outside of the historic orthodoxy of the Christian Church--we entrust them to the same Christ, God and Savior, that we trust--but rather should focus ourselves on our faith. To ensure we don't stray from that ancient orthodox confession.

Will the Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Christadelphian, or Unitarian be saved? Well that's God's business, they have Christ as Savior, so let God be the Judge, just as He is the Judge of all. Let God's grace be grace, trusting in Him for our salvation.

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