Is Creationism a Fairy Tale?

mzungu · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Because God doesn't exist?

If you consider US citizens only those who are Christian and everyone else as illegal aliens then you must denounce the US constitution which calls for a separation of church and state. The US is a secular country albeit with the majority of its citizens to be Christians.

However if we remove all non Christians and the Catholics and Orthodox Christians which the American protestants do not accept as Christians then I am afraid the population of the USA will drastically be reduced.

Personally I have no objections to the ten commandments being posted outside a courthouse so long as atheists and people of other faiths are treated equally under the law. :wave:

Sasquatchit · Oct 15, 2013

Freodin said:
As long as you don't bother to understand others, you will keep on being wrong.

Even if u do understand others, u could still be wrong.
Or the flip side, even though u understand the fault of others, u could be right!

The pendulum can swing either way....

Verbage...aeh!

AV1611VET · Oct 15, 2013

mzungu said:
If you consider US citizens only those who are Christian and everyone else as illegal aliens then you must denounce the US constitution which calls for a separation of church and state. The US is a secular country albeit with the majority of its citizens to be Christians.

However if we remove all non Christians and the Catholics and Orthodox Christians which the American protestants do not accept as Christians then I am afraid the population of the USA will drastically be reduced.

Personally I have no objections to the ten commandments being posted outside a courthouse so long as atheists and people of other faiths are treated equally under the law.

Mzungu, I'm going to ask this simple question yet again:

Is America not a Christian nation because God doesn't exist?

It's a simple question, and I don't need someone appealing to demographics and a spechette on equal airtime for false deities as a mask for what you're really implying.

Freodin · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Why don't you tell me?

You already said we aren't a Christian nation, and you evidently don't want to tell me the real reason why.

I suspect you think we never were in the first place; but I could be wrong.

The reason the USA are not a Christian nation is because its founders did not make it so.

But I'd say you already knew that.

Freodin · Oct 15, 2013

Sasquatchit said:
Even if u do understand others, u could still be wrong.
Or the flip side, even though u understand the fault of others, u could be right!

The pendulum can swing either way....

Verbage...aeh!

If you do understand others, you could still be wrong.

If you don't understand others, you will be wrong.

(Ok, that is not completely correct: even if you don't understand others, you still could be right. But it would be pure chance if you were.)

AV1611VET · Oct 15, 2013

Freodin said:
The reason the USA are not a Christian nation is because its founders did not make it so.

But I'd say you already knew that.

Then I suspect we have a different interpretation of a Christian nation.

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

People can claim on paper all they want that their nation is Christian, but that doesn't make it so.

Putting a doctor's diploma on my wall doesn't make me a doctor.

It is God that makes this nation Christian, not our own works.

2 Kings 21:4 And he built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.

If He put His name in Jerusalem, He can put His name in America.

Sasquatchit · Oct 15, 2013

mzungu said:
I gather you are using the Bible instead of a computer to communicate with us in CF I agree with you. Science is nothing more than a myth. We must get rid of everything science gave us. Medicine, electricity, transport, aeroplanes, dishwashers, x-ray machines, surgery, sorry but the list is just too long to mention here. Let us stop using any science and use only the Bible.

U r missing the point of the discussion, which is in my quote:
"...how snippets of time evolved" (i.e. theories of evolution, etc.). I don't think the other sciency stuff is in question here.

Actually, u can ask as many querries as u can come up with, till u r blue in the face. It matters not, but in the end, the answers will more than likely point back to Him who made all things.

Wiccan_Child · Oct 15, 2013

Sasquatchit said:
It is sad that some people would dare to categorize the Bible as mere myth. It is, by far, the best book ever created in the world!

That, madam, is your opinion. I much preferred Harry Potter and its emphasis on love and friendship, than the Bible and its emphasis on infanticide and fearful worship.

Sasquatchit said:
My lack of verbage could never express its fullest qualities and content. It is our HISTORY from the beginning, our teachings about God, and that which is to come, the end....

Allegedly. The stories are routinely factually false (contrary to Genesis, plants came after the Sun; contrary to Exodus, the Jews were never slaves to Egypt), so you'll forgive me if I don't trust Revelations.

Sasquatchit said:
Whether u like it or not, no matter how much we fight and quibble over words and false theories, there is TRUTH, and there is God's fingerprint all over creation....

Where, though? What, specifically, can you point to as an undeniable fingerprint of God (the God of the Bible, no less)?

Sasquatchit said:
U can study all u want in science to try to figure out how snippets of time evolved...but in reality, all u get is swiss cheese...u will NEVER figure it out, other than what He has already told us!

Ecc. 3:11 "He has made everything beautiful in its time....no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end."

Ecc. 7:29 "...God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes." [No big bang, and ape theories here!]

And I'll take the theories of common ancestry and the Big Bang over Biblical creation myths any day, thank you. There's just something about evidence and logic that just appeals to me.

Wiccan_Child · Oct 15, 2013

nuttypiglet said:
In a society of today, maybe. Thanks to highly advanced medicines and equipment we can deal with many things. Also we have lots of highly technical surgical techniques to help ensure a young child survives. If we lived in a more primitive situation, with no such techniques or equipment, the story would be very different. Surely the emphasis would be on the appearance of the male, rather than behaviour/kindness/love etc. You would look for the physical qualities of the male and go for the best. Many animals use this method. They choose the best looking, strongest etc. They don't base their decisions on who purchases the biggest bunch of flowers or box of chocolates.

On the contrary, only those males who have secured food, territory, or other valuable resources, can squander time on luxuriant displays of wealth.

Again, physical appearance is only one of several features an individual looks for in a potential mate. Being physically strong is irrelevant if you can't raise kids, and there is a strong advantage in choosing a partner who will stick it out - hence, we evolved to be loving, committed, altruistic, etc.

Freodin · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Then I suspect we have a different interpretation of a Christian nation.

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

People can claim on paper all they want that their nation is Christian, but that doesn't make it so.

Putting a doctor's diploma on my wall doesn't make me a doctor.

It is God that makes this nation Christian, not our own works.

2 Kings 21:4 And he built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.

If He put His name in Jerusalem, He can put His name in America.

So the USA is a Christian nation because you say God said so?

AV1611VET · Oct 15, 2013

Freodin said:
So the USA is a Christian nation because you say God said so?

Is there a point to all of this?

We're a Christian nation -- live with it.

TLK Valentine · Oct 15, 2013

Sasquatchit said:
It is sad that some people would dare to categorize the Bible as mere myth. It is, by far, the best book ever created in the world!

Meh -- it drags on forever, is far too disjointed in spots, and has poor character development.

Don't take it too hard -- I feel the same way about Charles Dickens.

Sasquatchit · Oct 15, 2013

Freodin said:
If you do understand others, you could still be wrong.

If you don't understand others, you will be wrong.

(Ok, that is not completely correct: even if you don't understand others, you still could be right. But it would be pure chance if you were.)

Ok, this is just a play on words which is rather mundane to me. No matter what u say, I can always come up with one more thing to say ....which is a total waste of our time! It accomplishes nothing here....

lasthero · Oct 15, 2013

No matter what u say, I can always come up with one more thing to say ....which is a total waste of our time!

It's almost like you're on a message board or something.

Freodin · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Is there a point to all of this?

We're a Christian nation -- live with it.

You are not... live with that. The USA, like most modern western countries, is a secular state.

That means that you have the same right to be outraged over Qu'ran verses in a courthouse yard as the non-christians have to be outraged over the Ten Commandmends... because they are used to symbolize something that should not be present in such a surrounding.

It does not belong there, in a secular, unbiased court, which should rule according to the laws of the US, not the Bible, the Qu'ran or the Codex Hammurapi. That's why people get upset about it - not because they hate God... as you imply.

Freodin · Oct 15, 2013

Sasquatchit said:
Ok, this is just a play on words which is rather mundane to me. No matter what u say, I can always come up with one more thing to say ....which is a total waste of our time! It accomplishes nothing here....

Hm... as I recall, it was you who felt the necessity to post a response to my post, which was aimed at a completely different person.

It seems, for some reason, you want to engage in something that you say accomplishes nothing and wastes your time.

I'd say that such a behaviour is rather counter-intuitive... but whatever suits your fancy.

Sasquatchit · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Mzungu, I'm going to ask this simple question yet again:

Is America not a Christian nation because God doesn't exist?

It's a simple question, and I don't need someone appealing to demographics and a spechette on equal airtime for false deities as a mask for what you're really implying.

I think that the questions is too complex for him to understand.

Split Rock · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Is there a point to all of this?

We're a Christian nation -- live with it.

You're related to dirty chimps -- live with it.

mzungu · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Mzungu, I'm going to ask this simple question yet again:

Is America not a Christian nation because God doesn't exist?

It's a simple question, and I don't need someone appealing to demographics and a spechette on equal airtime for false deities as a mask for what you're really implying.

It all depends on your definition of a Christian Nation. If you mean that the majority of its citizens are of the Christian faith then yes. But, the USA was founded as a secular nation. However he original inhabitants of America were not Christians and therefore America was not founded by Christians but by the indigenous non Christian native Indians. Notice I make the distinction between America and the USA.

It all boils down to semantics and the law. You claim that the US is a Christian nation because God deemed it so but this is just your opinion and does not hold any credence. As far as I am concerned the US is a secular nation inhabited in the majority by people of the Christian faith. :wave:

Wiccan_Child · Oct 15, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Is there a point to all of this?

We're a Christian nation -- live with it.

Who says the USA is a Christian nation? Why isn't a Muslim, or Buddhist, nation? What does "Christian nation" mean? Is the UK a Christian nation? Or Russia? Or Israel? Or Kenya?

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