The Naked Truth vs. The Clothed Lie (2)

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If SDAs are a slave to EGW, then what you would see is, a people who are ignorant regarding the Scriptures!
Does that mean you believe your prophet was ignorant of the Scriptures?

But, what do we see on this forum, SDAs taking apart the traditions of men that non-SDAs post on CF.
No, what I see is SDAs trying to take apart both tradition that comes from Scripture and Tradition through the reasoning of EGW and failing because EGW didn't understand the difference between Pre-Reformation and Post-Reformation Catholicism, nor about as you have admitted Scripture.

So then, who are being duped by their leaders? The Evangelicals, Orthodox, and the Catholics! They are the ones who are following traditions of men! SDA think and study the Scriptures, but discard man made traditions.
Then what's you're beef with me, I don't inherently identify with any of those groups, or is it merely because you don't understand the theological landscape enough?
 
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Let me explode your comments regarding EGW. How many times have I quoted EGW in my posts? None!
It has been demonstrated that you have and not attributed the quotations to her.

In fact, non-SDAs CF members bring up EGW more than SDAs!
Mostly in order to point out where your reasoning comes from EGW and not Scripture.

You as a Baptist have authors and preachers who write books, and speak in your churches, who you follow. But, they are not Scripture.
This is correct but there is no parallel between these men and women and EGW in regards to how I view them and you view her.

You cannot say that SDAs follow the traditions of men or women, because we don't.
Investigative Judgment, the rejection of Christ as the Sabbath, the revelation of God through Law, I could probably go on...

We rebuke man made traditions!
Sure you do.

Moreover, the fact that you don't have a recognized Prophet in the Baptist denomination is not biblical.
[citation needed]

Its one of the spiritual gifts in the true Christian church.
So what does the manifestation of the gift of tongues look like in your church? Is it like your gift of Prophet confined to one person? If so who?

If SDAs were following only prophets and preachers you could take us apart, but we don't! In fact, SDAs are very independent thinkers. We don't follow celebrity preachers like the Mega Churches do.
When did Mega Churches come into this? Reformed Baptist here, if you are going to try and talk down to me, go and find out about my faith and position and then do it.
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
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I think Ellen White and Joseph Smith would have made a cute couple ;) :p

The worst personalities stem from 19th Century prophet-wannabes with uncanny consistency.
Along with a lot of "weird" doctrines I would think.....


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If SDAs are a slave to EGW, then what you would see is, a people who are ignorant regarding the Scriptures! But, what do we see on this forum, SDAs taking apart the traditions of men that non-SDAs post on CF. So then, who are being duped by their leaders? The Evangelicals, Orthodox, and the Catholics! They are the ones who are following traditions of men! SDA think and study the Scriptures, but discard man made traditions.
Really? Oh you did say man.
 
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But do you eat it [Lamb]? Don't most SDAs have a predominantly or totally vegetarian diet?
No, I do not eat lamb, nor any Scripturally clean animal, for several reasons, though before God led me to the truth of His Word, I ate and drank without knowledge, and ate and drank without caring.

The first is that the only reason any animal died [especially the clean*, including the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world], was because of the sin of Adam, and so a shadowy system of sacrifice was instituted by God to point to the true sacrifice and Redeemer, Jesus. Not a single lamb, ram, sheep, bull, goat, oxen, dove, etc has to ever be slain from the death of Jesus upon the cross onwards.

An additional allowance was given unto Noah, since the vast food resources had been wiped out, but again there were specific restrictions, and only the clean could be killed for food if necessary, but this too was merely a temporary measure [for we see even in the wilderness, God wanted Israel to be separated from flesh foods], for once the land was able to bring back food, there was no need to unnecessarily eat animals, though there was still the sacrificial shadows pointing forward...

Another reason, that the clean* animals are not eaten by myself, is because that was not the original intent and purpose, as given from Genesis, for mankind, Adam, was given dominion/stewardship over them, not for food, but for ministry/caretaker - to name them, etc.

Yet still, it is true that disease, genetic engineering, modification, medication, degredation due to sin, suffering of all creatures has increased exponentially, even as it is written [For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Romans 8:22], and if so much then, what now, with all that is happening in the macro and micro realms. Most of the methods for killing do not follow the scriptural methods for slaughter, and also there is much blood left in the remains, detritus, etc, and scripture again forbids this to be eaten, even as the fat is forbidden to be eaten.

Bible Prophecy and the Standard American Diet:

Bible Prophecy and the Standard American Diet~ Danny Vierra - YouTube

for actual science, see:

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/6/Health/

...even the secular world gets it...
 
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No, I do not eat lamb, nor any Scripturally clean animal, for several reasons, though before God led me to the truth of His Word, I ate and drank without knowledge, and ate and drank without caring.

The first is that the only reason any animal died [especially the clean*, including the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world], was because of the sin of Adam, and so a shadowy system of sacrifice was instituted by God to point to the true sacrifice and Redeemer, Jesus. Not a single lamb, ram, sheep, bull, goat, oxen, dove, etc has to ever be slain from the death of Jesus upon the cross onwards.

An additional allowance was given unto Noah, since the vast food resources had been wiped out, but again there were specific restrictions, and only the clean could be killed for food if necessary, but this too was merely a temporary measure [for we see even in the wilderness, God wanted Israel to be separated from flesh foods], for once the land was able to bring back food, there was no need to unnecessarily eat animals, though there was still the sacrificial shadows pointing forward...

Another reason, that the clean* animals are not eaten by myself, is because that was not the original intent and purpose, as given from Genesis, for mankind, Adam, was given dominion/stewardship over them, not for food, but for ministry/caretaker - to name them, etc.

Yet still, it is true that disease, genetic engineering, modification, medication, degredation due to sin, suffering of all creatures has increased exponentially, even as it is written [For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Romans 8:22], and if so much then, what now, with all that is happening in the macro and micro realms. Most of the methods for killing do not follow the scriptural methods for slaughter, and also there is much blood left in the remains, detritus, etc, and scripture again forbids this to be eaten, even as the fat is forbidden to be eaten.

Bible Prophecy and the Standard American Diet:

Bible Prophecy and the Standard American Diet~ Danny Vierra - YouTube

for actual science, see:

Browse Media - Health - Amazing Discoveries TV

...even the secular world gets it...
And yet God commanded Israel to eat animal flesh.

How much longer do SDA people live than the average? And just why aren't the SDA able to claim the oldest living human after a 100 years. All of the oldest people admit to freely eating meat and some even pork on a daily basis.
 
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And yet God commanded Israel to eat animal flesh.

How much longer do SDA people live than the average? And just why aren't the SDA able to claim the oldest living human after a 100 years. All of the oldest people admit to freely eating meat and some even pork on a daily basis.

And a bit of alcohol as well; it's true!:thumbsup::clap::clap::thumbsup:

I'm extending my life right now with a very hoppy Eastern European Pilsner.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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And yet God commanded Israel to eat animal flesh.

How much longer do SDA people live than the average? And just why aren't the SDA able to claim the oldest living human after a 100 years. All of the oldest people admit to freely eating meat and some even pork on a daily basis.

Wrong. National Geographic profiled the longest living people groups in different parts of the world, and in the USA SDAs were selected, and they found that SDAs outlived the average American counterpart by 10 years on average.

Longevity, The Secrets of Long Life, Sights & Sounds - National Geographic Magazine
 
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Wrong. National Geographic profiled the longest living people groups in different parts of the world, and in the USA SDAs were selected, and they found that SDAs outlived the average American counterpart by 10 years on average.

Longevity, The Secrets of Long Life, Sights & Sounds - National Geographic Magazine

I'm happy for you guys; This may just be a general observation, I wonder if there has been any statistical work done on this. If it is in fact right, that means I get to paradise 10 years sooner, therefore one could conclude: Lutheranism get's you to heaven sooner!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:;);););):p
 
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I'm happy for you guys; This may just be a general observation, I wonder if there has been any statistical work done on this. If it is in fact right, that means I get to paradise 10 years sooner, therefore one could conclude: Lutheranism get's you to heaven sooner!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:;);););):p
Now I like that logic for several reasons. The first is getting to heaven sooner than later.
 
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Yeah I don't like smelling that bad. Did you ever try and remove that smell? Its next to impossible.

Yup, back in the day when coon hides were worth a bit, we had a great old black and tan coon dog that ran directly into one. Not only did he not hunt for almost a week and a half, but the stink in my cousins suzuki trooper which we had to haul him home in was insurmountable.

Luther wrote that when one does battle with filth, win or lose, you will be soiled.;)
 
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You know, I wish I could say that BrightCandle aka Truthwave aka GladiatorforGod aka CFTerminator was a unique experience. But I have met with quite a number of current seventh-day Adventists in the person, via email, and on more than just this discussion forum. Most of them don't know their doctrines very well and don't realize how many contradictions they pose when confronted with Scripture. All we're called to do is compare the two, and their task is to reconcile them and show the rest of Christendom that they actually possess some modicum of truth.
There is nothing new under the sun. How is it that SDAs keep the most fundamental of God's Laws, the 10 Commandments, and yet you as a Evangelical don't even try to keep them! That fact, alone should ring a warning bell, big time! And you should be rebuking your pastor for teaching such watered down doctrine. Remember, that Paul exhorted his followers to teach sound doctrine in the churches, but what do we see in modern Evangelical churches? We see strange fire offered to the Lord, in the form of dummbed down sermons and hyped up rock music. I say again, I am very confident that if you ever disclosed the name and location of your secret church, I could easily take you and your Pastor apart theologically.

They invariably take one of two paths.
The honest ones leave the SDA church, and I know quite a number of people in this category, including a pastor south of me.
The rest display the dishonest nature of Adventism, having no means to defend their distinctives, so it is natural for them to resort to false witness and logical fallacies.

That same trend is taking place in all denominations, there is always the sheep and goats.
 
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