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Wrong question. The Son is not a seperate God. He is another person, but is the same ONE God.
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Is the Father and the Christ two persons?
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101c, you keep quoting scriptures which are perfectly aligned with Trinitarian doctrine, and somehow think they prove your belief to the exclusion of ours. All it demonstrates is that you have no real understanding of the doctrine you are trying to refute.
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The context is the sending of the Holy Spirit to abide in the believer for ever.
Again context is the Holy Spirit indwelling where the believer becomes the temple of God.
Jesus is alluding here that he is the COMFORTER and he reveals that it is him who will come to dwell in the believer as the Holy Ghost.
Here Jesus is revealing to his disciples that in a little while when he ascends into Heaven the world at large will no longer see me.
However he says he will not leave his disciples comfortless because he will come to them on Pentecost to be seen by his disciples because he will live in them as the Holy Ghost.
That day being Pentecost in context to the Holy Ghost being given to live in the believer, so in that respect the glorified Christ is one with the Father who is the Holy Ghost, full filling the you in me and I in you. This statement is in context to the believer SUPPING with the Lord's Holy Ghost.
Here confirms the saying of the glorified Christ, that I stand at the door and knock and if anyone opens the door of their heart, I will reveal/manifest myself to him by SUPPING with him as the Holy Ghost. This is in context to the Holy Ghost indwelling of the believer.
Very good question?
How can you manifest yourself onto us and yet at the same time the world will never see you?
Christ manifests himself as the Holy Ghost who indwells the believer.
But let us listen to what Christ Jesus says.
I see thankyou Jesus, so you will come onto the believer and abode/dwell in your Holy Temple that the believer represents. So given the context of the sending of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost, it is the glorified Christ who indwells us as the Father who is Holy Spirit (John 4:24).
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
So who are they that do not keep your saying Lord Christ Jesus.
Oh see so you are saying these things as the Word because you are present with the disciples before your ascension. So when you come in the Spirit as the COMFORTER you are the Holy Father who indwells us.
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2 bubba,
since you ask the same question again. I have posted this answer under the topic "Unitarianism or Trinitarianism which is Biblical". but I'll give you the Post # so that you can Go and read. this only shows how blinded you really are. the scripture are true, John 12:37 "But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? (Isa 53:1). 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him".
Isaiah saw the Glorified of God, the Christ, (Isaiah chapter 6). Just as I posted before, Christians, blind eyes, and deaf ears. Oh if you think I'm talking about the physically blind and deaf, Oh no. the spiritually blind, and deaf. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:18 "Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?. 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. (STOP, HOW MANY POST HAVE I POSTED THAT YOU HAVE SEEN, AND READ?. NEITHER SEEN, NOR HEARD HIS VOICE, see you think its 101c speaking, Oh no. that's why I use scriptures, smile). lets continue. verse 21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; (YOU HAVE BEEN MADE MERCHANDISE OF, just as Revelation chapter 18 said. not of money or wealth, but of doctrine, you're still in Babylon). lets continue, said they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart".
what an indictment against the spiritually blind, and deaf. as our Lord said, "don't let you flight be in winter". (smile)
I have answered this same question over and over. as well as I answered the boxer, on the same matter. so, I'll give you the same answer. your "us", and "our" are your hallmark of your trinity doctrine. mark these post down for future references. topic "Unitarianism or Trinitarianism which is Biblical", Post #830, and Post # 278. and this post explain away your trinity, Post #521.
and also I answered the plurality question again to the boxer in another post. I'll post it here in this topic with clarity, its short.
2 boxer,
I disagree, you said, The singular "He" strengthens my point. God said, "Let US make man in OUR image". Then it says, "And God made man in HIS own image.
ERROR, "he" is singular.
and lets look at Genesis 1:27 again "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them". "his", and "he" are singular pronouns. so there is no plurality in God. the very next verse after 26 where the "us", and the "our", it clearly say "he", singular as it also states in Chapter 5 verse 1 & 2
One, or a singularity, is not a plurality. but is singular, ONE. "God is a Spirit", he had no body. the image, or what manifest the Spirit was to come, scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". only when he made that body, and shared his spirit in it, then is there a "us, and "our" meaning ONE God "diversified" in flesh, now with a shared spirit. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he". calling?. watch God calling of thing, Romans 4:17 "(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were". in Isaiah 41:4, (see that with). if he's with the Last how is he the First and the Last". listen, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God". (the first "with" the last is the same one God). here he's the first and the last, but notice how it is worded, "I AM" the first, and "I AM" the last. am I saying that there are two "I AM'S?", NO listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last" . he, is singular, but the question begs, how can a he, singular, be both the First, and the Last?. because he, singular said, "also". now re-read what was just posted, and grasp the concept here. hint, John 1:1, the word was "WITH" God just like the "first" was "WITH" the "last". and in John 1:1 the word was God. and the, "I AM" the first, and "I AM" the last; and beside me there is no God". see the semicolon right after the last "I AM", it means a continuance. Let me make it clear, the "first" (the Father, Spirit, without a body) is the "Last" (Son, Spirit, with a body). the same Spirit. the SAME ONE GOD. not two, or three, but only one Person, shared in spirit in a body. that's "DIVERSITY".
so bubba, your "us", and "our" is eliminated, both spiritually, and physically.
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
and
"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
since you ask the same question again. I have posted this answer under the topic "Unitarianism or Trinitarianism which is Biblical". but I'll give you the Post # so that you can Go and read. this only shows how blinded you really are. the scripture are true, John 12:37 "But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? (Isa 53:1). 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him".
Isaiah saw the Glorified of God, the Christ, (Isaiah chapter 6). Just as I posted before, Christians, blind eyes, and deaf ears. Oh if you think I'm talking about the physically blind and deaf, Oh no. the spiritually blind, and deaf. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:18 "Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?. 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. (STOP, HOW MANY POST HAVE I POSTED THAT YOU HAVE SEEN, AND READ?. NEITHER SEEN, NOR HEARD HIS VOICE, see you think its 101c speaking, Oh no. that's why I use scriptures, smile). lets continue. verse 21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; (YOU HAVE BEEN MADE MERCHANDISE OF, just as Revelation chapter 18 said. not of money or wealth, but of doctrine, you're still in Babylon). lets continue, said they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart".
what an indictment against the spiritually blind, and deaf. as our Lord said, "don't let you flight be in winter". (smile)
I have answered this same question over and over. as well as I answered the boxer, on the same matter. so, I'll give you the same answer. your "us", and "our" are your hallmark of your trinity doctrine. mark these post down for future references. topic "Unitarianism or Trinitarianism which is Biblical", Post #830, and Post # 278. and this post explain away your trinity, Post #521.
and also I answered the plurality question again to the boxer in another post. I'll post it here in this topic with clarity, its short.
2 boxer,
I disagree, you said, The singular "He" strengthens my point. God said, "Let US make man in OUR image". Then it says, "And God made man in HIS own image.
ERROR, "he" is singular.
and lets look at Genesis 1:27 again "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them". "his", and "he" are singular pronouns. so there is no plurality in God. the very next verse after 26 where the "us", and the "our", it clearly say "he", singular as it also states in Chapter 5 verse 1 & 2
One, or a singularity, is not a plurality. but is singular, ONE. "God is a Spirit", he had no body. the image, or what manifest the Spirit was to come, scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". only when he made that body, and shared his spirit in it, then is there a "us, and "our" meaning ONE God "diversified" in flesh, now with a shared spirit. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he". calling?. watch God calling of thing, Romans 4:17 "(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were". in Isaiah 41:4, (see that with). if he's with the Last how is he the First and the Last". listen, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God". (the first "with" the last is the same one God). here he's the first and the last, but notice how it is worded, "I AM" the first, and "I AM" the last. am I saying that there are two "I AM'S?", NO listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last" . he, is singular, but the question begs, how can a he, singular, be both the First, and the Last?. because he, singular said, "also". now re-read what was just posted, and grasp the concept here. hint, John 1:1, the word was "WITH" God just like the "first" was "WITH" the "last". and in John 1:1 the word was God. and the, "I AM" the first, and "I AM" the last; and beside me there is no God". see the semicolon right after the last "I AM", it means a continuance. Let me make it clear, the "first" (the Father, Spirit, without a body) is the "Last" (Son, Spirit, with a body). the same Spirit. the SAME ONE GOD. not two, or three, but only one Person, shared in spirit in a body. that's "DIVERSITY".
so bubba, your "us", and "our" is eliminated, both spiritually, and physically.
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
and
"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
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So if I understood the response, God is able to be depicted switching between refering to Himself as "us" and just "he" because it reflects the future state of God having a body. I see.
Seems rather odd way to dance around the language being used and as Saint John says The Word, (which clearly even you believe is the future body you claim is being referenced in Chap 1-3 of Bible), was there with God when He made everthing, in fact He was said to make everything through His Word. So am unclear how one can have it both ways or how God can be imagined creating without being able to speak - IOW without His Word - which one has just said is a future state after God became Man.
Or maybe I misunderstood the explanation finally given of "us" and plural references in the Creation story.
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Again, we have an impasse of beliefs.
Gospel is old English. Translation= good news. When did Christ prophecy anything? I am not an Apocalypse follower. If you are, the Apocalypse of Peter was also accepted by the Catholic Church at one time, but could only be read at certain times (Easter, etc). In the Codex Sinaiticus (oldest Bible), Revelations is not the last book of the Bible, as there are 3 or 4 more after it.
When you get into deep study, and see "why" things appear the way they do, and then commune spiritually and get a better understanding of what things seem "spiritually", the whole picture seems to take a whole different image. Revelations is not the Gospel (good news). The OT is not the Gospel (good news). Christ brought the Gospel (good news) from a source (God the Father) so far above that no one spiritual or physical can even see him. Christ was created by him for that very purpose. The best we can even image this immense Father is by Christ, a part of him, who through his love for us, allowed us to destroy him physically. But not before he gave us the keys to obtain the kingdom spiritually.
Since then, man has, even in his perceived good will, decayed the process. Christ knew this. God knew this. There is no way, with mans nature, that Christ or his Gospel was going to grow or survive once Christ left. It is why he wanted more time.
There is one pouring out of the spirit before the end. It could be Nag Hammadi. I don't know. But there does seem to be a revelution going on. And I don't see it as anything like Revelations.
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Wow kind of a defeatest view of God's purpose for becoming man. Also kind of negates the notion that some of His final Words here were a victory song.
Also negates the whole purpose of Him telling them to go and "TEACH" if it is looked at as something they could not possibly do without quickly mucking it up.
I prefer a much more optomistic view.
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lol..........many thought the end would have happened in their lifetime...no? Do you really think they knew the world was so big? That it was going to go on for 2000+ more years? "These things that will soonly come to pass".
Not a defeatist attitude. Act quickly, before men start screwing it up again.
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phantasman said:
I was just saying if God told people to do something, it was never something that they could not or more precisely were incapable of doing. Like be Holy. Go and teach meant just that and the NT depicts they did just that. As well as a promise given that many claim protects what is taught such that it is what He wanted taught.
So it is not just about can men screw things up, but would God stage such a Supernatural intevention and provide definitive direction only to have that effort fail.
The victory song some say Jesus was singing while hanging on the Cross suggests otherwise as well.
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So if I understood the response, God is able to be depicted switching between refering to Himself as "us" and just "he" because it reflects the future state of God having a body. I see.
switching?. that's your imagination again running away with yourself. I notice that when you are confronted with the truth, you try to put your spin on things. clearly I stated that God calleth those things which be not as though they were. and you with your lack of understanding , try to say, God is switching, and try to play cool by saying "I see". LOL. no God is not Switching, God is creation a new heaven, and a new earth. only for those who enter.
Oh yes, as the other topic states, the "Trinitarian view is becoming a minority". why?, because people is now reading, and accessing information for themselves. they have variety of information on the internet to chose from. instead of listening to only one view. and not being fooled by a mystery that have been plainly seen. Yes true minister of God are coming forth, and the Lord's light is being shine into darken hearts. people is not being fooled anymore, by slick preachers. 2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was". this is true, " for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was". don't worry the trinity doctrine is coming to an end, and being taken apart as we speak. but your eyes have been blinded. That's his, (God) reasoning.
Seems rather odd way to dance around the language being used and as Saint John says The Word, (which clearly even you believe is the future body you claim is being referenced in Chap 1-3 of Bible), was there with God when He made everthing, in fact He was said to make everything through His Word. So am unclear how one can have it both ways or how God can be imagined creating without being able to speak - IOW without His Word - which one has just said is a future state after God became Man.
Or maybe I misunderstood the explanation finally given of "us" and plural references in the Creation story.
yes you misunderstood, God is a Spirit, an all MIGHTY SPIRIT. faith moves mountains. was it not faith that create the mountains. scripture, Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear". now is the "Word" here in Hebrews, is it Logos, or Rhema. in John 1:1 it's the "Logos". here it's the Rhema.
"word" G4487 ῥήμα rhema (rhay'-mah) n.
1. an utterance (individually, collectively or specially)
2. (by implication) a matter or topic
3. (especially) of narration, command or dispute
4. (with a negative) naught whatever
denotes "that which is spoken, what is uttered in speech or writing". in the singular, "a word,"
Now, G3056, logos
denotes (I) the expression of thought," not the mere name of an object, (a) as embodying a conception or idea
(b) a saying or statement, (1) by God In connection with (1) and (2) the phrase "the word of the Lord," i.e., the revealed will of God (very frequent in the OT), is used of a direct revelation given by Christ.
lets put it in layman terms. what you and I couldn't see, (Spirit). is now made manifested by a body, (flesh).
so yes, you doctrine of the trinity is being expose everyday, for what it is. an entanglement, a snare, a stumbling block to the true believers, who honestly see the Lord. but those days are no more. people are waking up to hear the truth. this is the NEW DAY for many.
PS, please don't take this the wrong way. I truly hope the Lord open your eyes to see the truth. for the Lord said, "Let not your flight be in winter".
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
and
"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
So if I understood the response, God is able to be depicted switching between refering to Himself as "us" and just "he" because it reflects the future state of God having a body. I see.
switching?. that's your imagination again running away with yourself. I notice that when you are confronted with the truth, you try to put your spin on things. clearly I stated that God calleth those things which be not as though they were. and you with your lack of understanding , try to say, God is switching, and try to play cool by saying "I see". LOL. no God is not Switching, God is creation a new heaven, and a new earth. only for those who enter.
Oh yes, as the other topic states, the "Trinitarian view is becoming a minority". why?, because people is now reading, and accessing information for themselves. they have variety of information on the internet to chose from. instead of listening to only one view. and not being fooled by a mystery that have been plainly seen. Yes true minister of God are coming forth, and the Lord's light is being shine into darken hearts. people is not being fooled anymore, by slick preachers. 2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was". this is true, " for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was". don't worry the trinity doctrine is coming to an end, and being taken apart as we speak. but your eyes have been blinded. That's his, (God) reasoning.
Seems rather odd way to dance around the language being used and as Saint John says The Word, (which clearly even you believe is the future body you claim is being referenced in Chap 1-3 of Bible), was there with God when He made everthing, in fact He was said to make everything through His Word. So am unclear how one can have it both ways or how God can be imagined creating without being able to speak - IOW without His Word - which one has just said is a future state after God became Man.
Or maybe I misunderstood the explanation finally given of "us" and plural references in the Creation story.
yes you misunderstood, God is a Spirit, an all MIGHTY SPIRIT. faith moves mountains. was it not faith that create the mountains. scripture, Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear". now is the "Word" here in Hebrews, is it Logos, or Rhema. in John 1:1 it's the "Logos". here it's the Rhema.
"word" G4487 ῥήμα rhema (rhay'-mah) n.
1. an utterance (individually, collectively or specially)
2. (by implication) a matter or topic
3. (especially) of narration, command or dispute
4. (with a negative) naught whatever
denotes "that which is spoken, what is uttered in speech or writing". in the singular, "a word,"
Now, G3056, logos
denotes (I) the expression of thought," not the mere name of an object, (a) as embodying a conception or idea
(b) a saying or statement, (1) by God In connection with (1) and (2) the phrase "the word of the Lord," i.e., the revealed will of God (very frequent in the OT), is used of a direct revelation given by Christ.
lets put it in layman terms. what you and I couldn't see, (Spirit). is now made manifested by a body, (flesh).
so yes, you doctrine of the trinity is being expose everyday, for what it is. an entanglement, a snare, a stumbling block to the true believers, who honestly see the Lord. but those days are no more. people are waking up to hear the truth. this is the NEW DAY for many.
PS, please don't take this the wrong way. I truly hope the Lord open your eyes to see the truth. for the Lord said, "Let not your flight be in winter".
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
and
"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
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LOL, spinning would be twisting your view and then laughing at it, sort of like you are want to do with the Trinity Doctrine. If that post is read I specifically asked if I understood your view - thanks for reading.
To then launch into a rant about beliefs, deceptions and suggesting people are not saved goes further off the point.
Your post was hard to follow - but as far as I could tell you were saying God is able to Let "us" make and then it says "He made" because of the future state where God has a body. If that was a misunderstanding on my part, then one should correct it rather than claim I am spinning or acting "cool"
, especially after asking you if I got that right (if I understood you). Now we have gone two more posts and I still do not know if I understood you as you did not answer that question and instead tried to turn this into a personal attack (smile).
Then you end saying I misunderstood, yet without explaining how I misunderstood - just another rant of how one believes God can do this or that, and "faith"......
winter is coming - so how about answering a question before it gets here.
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It is all about having a personal and close relationship with Christ Jesus.
Do you have Christ in your hearts and walk according to his beatitudes, or do you continue in your own carnal sinful ways without daily giving up your body's as an acceptable sacrifice to Christ Jesus.
Do you have Christ in your hearts and walk according to his beatitudes, or do you continue in your own carnal sinful ways without daily giving up your body's as an acceptable sacrifice to Christ Jesus.
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Now we have gone two more posts and I still do not know if I understood you as you did not answer that question and instead tried to turn this into a personal attack (smile).
first off what personal attack?. did I not say PS don't take this the wrong way. is it me or you. you always injecting your own understanding. but lean not to your own understanding, (smile).
Then you end saying I misunderstood, yet without explaining how I misunderstood - just another rant of how one believes God can do this or that, and "faith"......
see what I'm talking about, WHO IS RANTING?, LOL... again me or you, (smile). just listen to yourself.
winter is coming - so how about answering a question before it gets here.
winter is here for you. see you have not clue what our Lord mean by that statement. Matthew 24:20 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be". I know you think that the winter that we are speaking of is physical, as in seasons, or tribulation as in worldly tribulation, nope, not here. its spiritual, both winter, and tribulation. (smile).
and answering your question. as I have said. it have been posted over, and over. and to which you never have answered any of the question I have put forth. and three. with the amount of Information I have put forth which have disproved your person in your trinity, you still haven't seen, less on, heard. now why should I have to repeat my post. did I not give you the Post Number to read?. guess you haven't.
but find out why you're in winter, (smile). our brother Steven will let you know that you're in winter. read Acts chapter 7.
Now we have gone two more posts and I still do not know if I understood you as you did not answer that question and instead tried to turn this into a personal attack (smile).
first off what personal attack?. did I not say PS don't take this the wrong way. is it me or you. you always injecting your own understanding. but lean not to your own understanding, (smile).
Then you end saying I misunderstood, yet without explaining how I misunderstood - just another rant of how one believes God can do this or that, and "faith"......
see what I'm talking about, WHO IS RANTING?, LOL... again me or you, (smile). just listen to yourself.
winter is coming - so how about answering a question before it gets here.
winter is here for you. see you have not clue what our Lord mean by that statement. Matthew 24:20 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be". I know you think that the winter that we are speaking of is physical, as in seasons, or tribulation as in worldly tribulation, nope, not here. its spiritual, both winter, and tribulation. (smile).
and answering your question. as I have said. it have been posted over, and over. and to which you never have answered any of the question I have put forth. and three. with the amount of Information I have put forth which have disproved your person in your trinity, you still haven't seen, less on, heard. now why should I have to repeat my post. did I not give you the Post Number to read?. guess you haven't.
but find out why you're in winter, (smile). our brother Steven will let you know that you're in winter. read Acts chapter 7.
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
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"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
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"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
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You never answered how we were suppose to possibly comprehend what appeared to be saying that God refering to "us" and the Bible following that with "His" is possible in your view of One Person, One God because even though no other person was there, there would be a body in the future and "us" is used in that context to acknowledge that future body.
If that is wrong, would it be possible to explain where I missed it without long rant on how one believes Scripture supports one's view of God and how those of us who disagree are in the dark.
You never answered how we were suppose to possibly comprehend what appeared to be saying that God refering to "us" and the Bible following that with "His" is possible in your view of One Person, One God because even though no other person was there, there would be a body in the future and "us" is used in that context to acknowledge that future body.
If that is wrong, would it be possible to explain where I missed it without long rant on how one believes Scripture supports one's view of God and how those of us who disagree are in the dark.
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I went back and re-read it and realized I gave 101c too much credit for actually attempting to address the question. Rather than attempting to connect "us" and "He" or "His" to some future body, it appears the thought is much more basic. Because the same sentences in the Creation Stories have both plural and singular reference to God, the singular trumps the plural because 101c says so.
Sometimes the responses are so cluttered with repeating how Scripture supports his view and that the rest of us are doomed that I find it difficult to pick out the attempted answer.
So the answer for the Creation story is that even though the Bible gives plural references for God, it does not matter because God is One Person and the same verses also give singular personal pronouns. I see now. So the Bible can be understood to state something one views as false as long as it follows with what one views to be true.
So where is the truth part of your view when Jesus is telling a concerned group that He will send "another"?
Wouldn't He have to follow that with this "other" is just me in "another form"?
Sometimes the responses are so cluttered with repeating how Scripture supports his view and that the rest of us are doomed that I find it difficult to pick out the attempted answer.
So the answer for the Creation story is that even though the Bible gives plural references for God, it does not matter because God is One Person and the same verses also give singular personal pronouns. I see now. So the Bible can be understood to state something one views as false as long as it follows with what one views to be true.
So where is the truth part of your view when Jesus is telling a concerned group that He will send "another"?
Wouldn't He have to follow that with this "other" is just me in "another form"?
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You never answered how we were suppose to possibly comprehend what appeared to be saying that God refering to "us" and the Bible following that with "His" is possible in your view of One Person, One God because even though no other person was there, there would be a body in the future and "us" is used in that context to acknowledge that future body. If that is wrong, would it be possible to explain where I missed it without long rant on how one believes Scripture supports one's view of God and how those of us who disagree are in the dark
I never answered?. what I have to do, sing it for you?. I gave you post # to read it, what the problem?. (smile). one more time. God is a Spirit, was not the First Adam an Image of clay, earthly, (that's where you get your Idols from), LOL. the Second Adam is Spiritual, life, the true image of God. and that true image was manifested in these last days. 1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you".
but don't worry I'm putting what I been discussing into book form, (smile), and maybe you can get it then. so, until then, I'll be giving my full attention to the book. (smile). so see ya.
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
and
"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
You never answered how we were suppose to possibly comprehend what appeared to be saying that God refering to "us" and the Bible following that with "His" is possible in your view of One Person, One God because even though no other person was there, there would be a body in the future and "us" is used in that context to acknowledge that future body. If that is wrong, would it be possible to explain where I missed it without long rant on how one believes Scripture supports one's view of God and how those of us who disagree are in the dark
I never answered?. what I have to do, sing it for you?. I gave you post # to read it, what the problem?. (smile). one more time. God is a Spirit, was not the First Adam an Image of clay, earthly, (that's where you get your Idols from), LOL. the Second Adam is Spiritual, life, the true image of God. and that true image was manifested in these last days. 1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you".
but don't worry I'm putting what I been discussing into book form, (smile), and maybe you can get it then. so, until then, I'll be giving my full attention to the book. (smile). so see ya.
"where there is knowledge stay not ignorant"
and
"the truth hurts, but a lie will kill you"
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First error. God is not "a" spirit. God is "Spirit" not one of a group of spirits as "a spirit" implies.
Was Jesus literally Adam? I didn't know His name was Adam. We know what you think after a long time of intense indoctrination by whatever religious group you are affiliated with but what did the 1st century Jews and gentiles understand. What did Thomas mean and what did the disciples understand when he said, "the Lord of me and the God of me?"
Jesus is not and could never be an idol because He was literally, actually a man. He was not "made" a "graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:"
Good luck with that book. I hope you have a good co-author who can introduce you to paragraphs, quotation marks, indentation, etc.
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I like your open mindedness.
Belief of how Adam really came about is just that.........belief. Genesis cannot be taken literally, because a lot of questions go unanswered. Where did the people from Nod come from? Why did God place the Tree of Life there to begin with?
My idea of belief differs slightly from yours as Adam was first Spiritual, then mortal. And he was created not by the Father, but saved by him.
"And he said to the authorities which attend him, 'Come, let us create a man according to the image of God and according to our likeness, that his image may become a light for us.' And they created by means of their respective powers in correspondence with the characteristics which were given. And each authority supplied a characteristic in the form of the image which he had seen in its natural (form). He created a being according to the likeness of the first, perfect Man. And they said, 'Let us call him Adam, that his name may become a power of light for us.' -Secret John
"And the man came forth because of the shadow of the light which is in him. And his thinking was superior to all those who had made him. When they looked up, they saw that his thinking was superior. And they took counsel with the whole array of archons and angels. They took fire and earth and water and mixed them together with the four fiery winds. And they wrought them together and caused a great disturbance. And they brought him (Adam) into the shadow of death, in order that they might form (him) again from earth and water and fire and the spirit which originates in matter, which is the ignorance of darkness and desire, and their counterfeit spirit. This is the tomb of the newly-formed body with which the robbers had clothed the man, the bond of forgetfulness; and he became a mortal man. This is the first one who came down, and the first separation. But the Epinoia of the light which was in him, she is the one who was to awaken his thinking. -Secret John
And to I said to the savior, "Lord, was it not the serpent that taught Adam to eat?" The savior smiled and said, "The serpent taught them to eat from wickedness of begetting, lust, (and) destruction, that he (Adam) might be useful to him. And he (Adam) knew that he was disobedient to him (the chief archon) due to light of the Epinoia which is in him, which made him more correct in his thinking than the chief archon. And (the latter) wanted to bring about the power which he himself had given him. And he brought a forgetfulness over Adam."
And I said to the savior, "What is the forgetfulness?" And he said "It is not the way Moses wrote (and) you heard. For he said in his first book, 'He put him to sleep' (Gn 2:21), but (it was) in his perception. For also he said through the prophet, 'I will make their hearts heavy, that they may not pay attention and may not see' (Is 6:10).-Secret John
This is why the tree of Life HAD to be there. And why Eve had to defy the creator God.
The Orthodox idea will never accept this. But there is no answer they have why God the Father would create man to merely tempt him with forbidden food.
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With good reason, it is utter delusion to believe the creation is greater than the creator.
God made everything "good". Through obedience, Adam and Eve had the potential to become perfect.
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