Got scruptures 'bout heLL ???

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Then don't be and seek the true context will ya, but of course not with a sinful human preacher. It is they that led the sheep astray remember. :)
even as also the rest who have no hope God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.
In other words only those who have known Jesus and have obeyed the commandments

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that has raised up Jesus from among the dead dwell in you, he that has raised up Christ from among the dead shall quicken your mortal bodies also on account of his Spirit which dwells in you.
 
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Man is enmity against God remember naturally made that way when God created us all subject to vanity and we cannot change ourselves. This is why we are all under Grace. It is also why he prepared us a savoir before the foundation of the world. :)
Exactly, except for those who have no hope because God will bring with him only those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.


And for those that those who have no hope 2Pet 2:3 In [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]greedyness[/FONT][/FONT] they will try with [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]hypothetical [/FONT][/FONT]words to make a gain of you: their waste now from of old doesn’t linger, and their annihilation will not slumber.
 
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ολεθρος, ου, ο (Hοm. + ; Dit., Sy11.3 527, 82 [c. 220 se]; ΒGU 1027 XXVI, 11; LXX; Πhilο; Jos., Ant. 17, 38, Vi. 264; Sib. Or. 3, 327; 348) deatructiοn, ruin, death in our lit. always w. some kind οf relig. coloring: έρχετaί τινι όλ. ruin comes upon someone 1 Cl 57: 4 (Πr 1: 26). αίφνίδιος αύτoiς
έφίστaτaι όλ. sudden destruction will come upon them 1 Τh 5: 3. βυθίζειν τινά είς όλ. plunge someone headlong into ruin 1 Τi 6: 9. όλ. aίώνιος eternal death (Test. Reub. 6: 3) 2 Τh 1: 9 (s. όλέθριος).

BAG[/quote] Even BAG says:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]τίνω [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]to pay a price, that is, as a penalty Page 826 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]2 Τh 1: 9 Bauer Ardnt Gingrich A New Testament Lexicon[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]UChicago says: τίνω [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]to pay a price, by way of return or recompense; that is, as a penalty Legion[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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The Bible never teaches anywhere that it is possible for man to cease to exist once each individual has been created and becomes conscience... the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (Romans 11:29) which includes being made alive, which means no man will ever cease to be consciously alive and aware after being created by God because man is a spirit that was created in God's image.

What we are doing in this life is deciding WHERE we will be alive at after this life is over... will we spend eternity being tortured and puinished along with satan and his angels in hell that was created for him and all those that belong to him, or will we spend eternity with the Father as a member of His family enjoying His presence where it's all good and no evil exists?

For all you folks that think there's not going to be people sent to hell where they will be alive and tormented just like satan and his devils for whom hell was created for... for your own good you'd better think again:


OLD TESTAMENT

Deuteronomy 32:22
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

2 Samuel 22:6
The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Job 11:8
It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Job 26:6
hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.

Psalms 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psalms 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Psalms 18:5
The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psalms 55:15
Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Psalms 86:13
For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

Psalms 116:3
The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

Psalms 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Proverb 5:5
Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

Proverb 7:27
Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Proverb 9:18
But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

Proverb 15:11
hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?



NEW TESTAMENT

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 11:23
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:47
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mark 10:15
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke 16:23
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

James 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.



the Bible warns of the eternity and permanency of hell!

everlasting fire ’ Matthew18:8, 25:41
everlasting punishment ’ Matthew 25:46
everlasting chains ’ Jude 1:6
eternal damnation ’ Mark 3:29
eternal judgment ’ Hebrews 6:2
eternal fire ’ Jude 1:7
unquenchable fire ’ Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched ’ Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable ’ Luke 3:17
mist of darkness is reserved for ever ’ 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever ’ Jude 1:13



Wrong, God said to Adam from dust you are and to dust you will return, he went back to were he came from DUST, or not existing!

barry
 
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Wrong, God said to Adam from dust you are and to dust you will return, he went back to were he came from DUST, or not existing!barry
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2Th 1:9
who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might,

Even BAG says:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]τίνω [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]to pay a price, that is, as a penalty Page 826 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]2 Τh 1: 9 Bauer Ardnt Gingrich A New Testament Lexicon[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]UChicago says: τίνω [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]to pay a price, by way of return or recompense; that is, as a penalty Legion[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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2Th 1:9
who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might,

Even BAG says:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]τίνω [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]to pay a price, that is, as a penalty Page 826 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]2 Τh 1: 9 Bauer Ardnt Gingrich A New Testament Lexicon[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]UChicago says: τίνω [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]to pay a price, by way of return or recompense; that is, as a penalty Legion[/FONT][/FONT]


Yep, The Bible has the last say in everything.

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he Bible never teaches anywhere that it is possible for man to cease to exist
So you're leading with the assumption that Satan's statement to Eve, "Thou shalt not surely die", is true, and that any Scripture to the contrary, such as "the wages of sin is death" must be "'reinterpreted" to align with that. So you're starting off with a premise that's not only misleading, but one that's precisely diabolical.

Nice work, dude! :doh:

What we are doing in this life is deciding WHERE we will be alive at after this life is over
Which lots of folks believe, but which contradicts the many Scriptures that say, very explicitly, that "the soul that sins will die". Once again, you're setting Satan's claim over and above Holy Writ.

Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
That kinda puts paid to the notion that hell is "separation from God", doesn't it?

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Do what to them in hell, GG? Oh yeah, I forgot, in your economy, if the words of our Lord contradict the claim of Satan, then the Lord's words have to be "interpreted" to "mean" the opposite of what He said. Right?
 
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Excellent job Gospel Guy. :thumbsup:
Yeah, assuming that the goal is to make the Scripture "mean" something other than what it actually says. In other words, to overlay the Scripture with a doctrine that you believe supersedes Scripture.
 
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Argue against scripture all you want.
No need to do that with you around, GG. You retranslate Scripture on the fly to make it "mean" what your doctrine says, then have the illimitable gall to say "Jesus says..." and run in your own meaning rather than what he actually said. That requires more nerve than a bad tooth.

.. the fact of the matter is that satan has been very busy re-writing the Bible, and re-defining teachings of the Bible to the point that we are now in a time when many will not accept correct teaching which has lead to the great falling away we are in now...
So you'd have us believe that Satan's "thou shalt not surely die" is actually true, while "the wages of sin is death", is not literally true. Black is now white, and vice versa. Gotcha.
 
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So you'd have us believe that Satan's "thou shalt not surely die" is actually true, while "the wages of sin is death", is not literally true. Black is now white, and vice versa. Gotcha.
:thumbsup: Μt 13:30
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]κατακαίω to calcinate by fire, to be burned down, consume by fire; Μlt-H. 242 (s.ν. καίω) burn down, burn up, consume by fire τί something: [cheat] weeds Μt 13:30 Moulton and Milligan (BAG); Strong: consume wholly: - burn (up, utterly).[/FONT][/FONT]

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