Protestant errors and inventions (4)
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Rev Randy
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Amen. Fact #1. We are not God and can not condemn anyone to hell no matter how much someone tries to twist our teachings from a bad understanding.
Fact #2 Prohibiting one from communion does not= condemning to hell. Booting one from the Church also does not= condemning one to hell.
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I wonder if cynical degradation of others is a doctrine to be added to the list of errors or if it is a practise to be included in the list of inventions. I guess that it is not an invention of recent origin and technically can't be ascribed to Protestantism alone, very likely it pre-dates Christianity, yet it is present in so many comments by Protestant luminaries against the ancient faith traditions.
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Seems a 'Venerable' Roman Catholic taught it...
"... The seven stars and the seven candlesticks seen by St. John signify seven periods of the history of the Church from its foundation to its consummation at the final judgment. To these periods correspond the seven churches of Asia Minor, ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Section "H"; subsection: "Bartholomew Holzhauser"; part: "writings"]; see also "He was declared Venerable by the Roman Catholic Church." - Bartholomew Holzhauser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...and in looking at other such writings, others hinted at it, by their saying that the 7 represent 'the whole Church' [unless one would like to declare they are no such part of that 'whole church' mentioned by those writers?], and they would include not only the age of John, but also speaking of their own, and who then would also not declare it also encompassed from then on even until today?
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Sorry thought you were talking about pre-Advent.
Either way you wouldn't have to "add" an obligation tot he seventh day sabbath since it was already there. The book of Acts shows Jews and Gentiles gathering on sabbath at their respective synagogues. We see Paul teaching on sabbath where he was. Luke's Gospel, I believe, highlights that the women rested on the sabbath in accordance with the commandment. And be mindful of this, the books of Matt - Rev are not the New Testament. They are an account of the workings of the Christ and His Apostles. The New Testament is the law of God being written on our hearts, and in case you didn't know, that law includes the 7th day sabbath
Well you have a bunch of truths labeled as errors on your list, so I can see why you would wish to add another.
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Is there something one is intended to notice in this and is whatever it is also supposed to be significant?
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This reminds me of the glass of Merlot given to me by a SDA member last month. Perhaps I should begin using his words as official SDA doctrine.
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For Jews the seventh day was to be observed. It was revealed to them (Nehemiah 9:14) and was to be a sign between them and Jehovah (Ezekiel 20:12) but it was not given to the nations either for a sign nor as an obligation but only to Israel (Exodus 31:12-17; Deuteronomy 5:15). For these reasons it is an error to demand that all people in all ages had any obligation to keep the seventh day and it is an error to demand that Christians keep the seventh day today.
The women who rested on the seventh day following the Lord's crucifixion were of Jewish lineage and observed Moses' law as one would expect them to do. Their rest on that day is what one would expect of them because they had not yet heard the good news of Jesus' resurrection. If those of Jewish lineage decide to observe the seventh day they do so as a sign of the old covenant given at Sinai and not as an obligation placed upon them or anybody else under the new covenant in the blood of Christ (Galatians 4:1-31). So, the new testament scriptures and the old testament scriptures make no demand on any gentile to observe the seventh day and those Jews who embrace the new covenant have no obligation placed upon them to observe the signs and patterns of the old covenant. That is why Christians have no obligation to circumcise their male children and it is also why Christians have no obligation to keep the seventh day (2 Corinthians 3:1-18).
If one seeks to walk in the truth of the Lord then it is, at times, necessary to discern error to avoid it. So there is a list here of errors and inventions that mislead many who desire to live as Christians in obedience to the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ. Seventh day observance as a universal gospel requirement is one of the errors that Christians ought to avoid (Galatians 4:1-31).
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Your CCC says this:
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire." The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
What violations constitute "mortal sin"?
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."
What are examples of "grave matter"?
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments...
Beautiful irony, in that RC violates the scriptural Sabbath commandment.
PS BTW, the Church (not just the Roman Church alone) also self-condemned itself whenever Easter coincides with Passover, which was anathema to celebrate the two on the same day.
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Time to add another error. Like MoreCoffee's list, not everyone will agree with these errors:
1) Eucharist Adoration (the worship of the created bread via the hands of the priest)
2) Accepting bad theology from children who have visions (devotions to "sacred" hearts)
3) Believing visions as truth that contradict scripture (Fatima)
4) Accepting "regenerative" baptisms of heretical groups as on par with Christian baptism
5) Baptizing babies as salvific (contradicts scripture)
6) Maintaining the clergy/laity split, rather than promoting the biblical priesthood of believers
7) Believing Christ died on Good Friday
8) Believing Christ rose at sunrise Easter Sunday
9) Maintaining more than 66 books of the bible as inspired (God breathed)
10) Believing the bible was put together by men or at councils over the centuries, rather than by God's watchfulness
11) Believing there is salvific information necessary for Christians apart from the bible
12) Maintaining that Jesus Christ was not born in the normal human way (with afterbirth)
13) Maintaining that Joseph and Mary never consummated their marriage
14) Calling the Roman Church something besides the Roman Church (like Catholic Church or even Roman Catholic Church) per the CCC #194
1) Eucharist Adoration (the worship of the created bread via the hands of the priest)
2) Accepting bad theology from children who have visions (devotions to "sacred" hearts)
3) Believing visions as truth that contradict scripture (Fatima)
4) Accepting "regenerative" baptisms of heretical groups as on par with Christian baptism
5) Baptizing babies as salvific (contradicts scripture)
6) Maintaining the clergy/laity split, rather than promoting the biblical priesthood of believers
7) Believing Christ died on Good Friday
8) Believing Christ rose at sunrise Easter Sunday
9) Maintaining more than 66 books of the bible as inspired (God breathed)
10) Believing the bible was put together by men or at councils over the centuries, rather than by God's watchfulness
11) Believing there is salvific information necessary for Christians apart from the bible
12) Maintaining that Jesus Christ was not born in the normal human way (with afterbirth)
13) Maintaining that Joseph and Mary never consummated their marriage
14) Calling the Roman Church something besides the Roman Church (like Catholic Church or even Roman Catholic Church) per the CCC #194
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The Apostles Creed is so called because it is rightly considered to be a faithful summary of the apostles faith. It is the ancient baptismal symbol of the Church of Rome. Its great authority arises from this fact: it is the Creed of the Roman Church, the See of Peter, the first of the apostles, to which he brought the common faith.
There still is a Church in Rome whose bishop is called Francis and whose creed is the Apostles Creed which has such great authority and prestige among Christians that it is included in the creeds of many denominations and even has a place among the many independent congregations throughout the world. So one ought to be thankful that the Church in Rome is guardian of the Creed and a part of Christ's holy, catholic, and apostolic church.
There still is a Church in Rome whose bishop is called Francis and whose creed is the Apostles Creed which has such great authority and prestige among Christians that it is included in the creeds of many denominations and even has a place among the many independent congregations throughout the world. So one ought to be thankful that the Church in Rome is guardian of the Creed and a part of Christ's holy, catholic, and apostolic church.
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Yep.
1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation
One of those sacraments is their priest's bread.
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Are you trying to say something? Creed of the Roman Church. See error #14 above in post #398.
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It's not an error at all. Yes the sabbath was a sign between God and Israel (His people) and yes He gave it to them. You know what else He gave them? His Son. He gave Himself. He was their God and they were His people. Trying to appeal to what the gentiles didn't have is poor logic, as they not only didn't have the sabbath, but didn't have God as their God at all. God's sign is between Himself and Israel forever, and He promised to not cast them off, but to bring others into that fold.
Their Jewish lineage is irrelvant. Luke wouldn't have needed to make mention of them resting on the sabbath if the sabbath had been done away with. I think He would have put emphasis on Sunday if it were the new day of worship, given that his account was written well after the resurrection.
Except Jesus taught the gospel, and part of that gospel was keeping the law. So the only error would be to teach otherwise (that's that whole Isa 8:20 thing again).
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