Christ in the Old Testement

aWalkbyFaith · Sep 22, 2013

I love how this thread glorifies Jesus page after page.

Psalms 32:6-7
7 You are my hiding place;
You shall preserve me from trouble;
You shall surround me with songs of deliverance.

Jesus is our hiding place.
He is our preserver.
He is our deliverer.
He surrounds us.
He is our song.
He is our deliverance.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 22, 2013

aWalkbyFaith said:
I love how this thread glorifies Jesus page after page.

Psalms 32:6-7
7 You are my hiding place;
You shall preserve me from trouble;
You shall surround me with songs of deliverance.

Jesus is our hiding place.
He is our preserver.
He is our deliverer.
He surrounds us.
He is our song.
He is our deliverance.

Glory to God! Breath Him in! Prayer is like a breath of fresh air into every problem!

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 22, 2013

All things seen reveal those that are hidden

Deuteronomy 8:15
He led you through the vast and dreadful wilderness, that thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes and scorpions. He brought you water out of hard rock.

1 Corinthians 10:1-11
Warnings From Israels History
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry. 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them didand in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ, as some of them didand were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them didand were killed by the destroying angel.
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

The keywords are that they happened and were written as examples and warnings to us. Everything written of Exodus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and into Joshua culminated at the end of the ages when Jesus stood on the mount of transfiguration.

Luke 9:28-40
The Transfiguration
28 About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. 31 They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. 32 Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three sheltersone for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah. (He did not know what he was saying.)
34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him. 36 When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone. The disciples kept this to themselves and did not tell anyone at that time what they had seen.

The thread started with Jesus speaking to those on the road to Emaus about what the scriptures and prophets had to say concerning Christ. While there's much to be said before the time of the prophets, the prophets have much to say about the pitfalls that the people of God fall into. Scripture itself has much to say about the person of Christ. We'll try jumping back and forth to both: Christ and His body the church and the prophets words to God's children.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 30, 2013

We've already mentioned how Jacob left His proper standing with God when He was told to abide in Bethel (the place of angels ascendeing and descending) and Abraham also left his place in Hebron to abide elsewhere (Gen 13:17-18, Gen 20:1) just as we are told to abide in Christ who is our place to abide (John 1:51, John 15:5) Abraham left the place he could have fellowship with God and repeated previous failures (Gen 12:13) just as we do repeatedly when coming to know the Lord. But He is forever bringing us back to that place that He told us to abide, where He makes His abode with us.If we don't we're very capable of acting like worldly people and the world is an enemy to God. Our trust can only come from being in the Lord's Presence.

Exodus 20:5-6
5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

In order for God and His people to be One there has to be a mutual love between them that has unfolded like affectionate love between a man and woman. The entire bible is a romanctic record of how He has wooed and courted those who will into His divine embrace. When we accept He gives us His life just as Eve recieved from the first Adam. It's this life He gives us that enables us to accomplish the union so vital to our abiding in fellowship with Him. In Loving Him we remain in Him.

John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

Jeremiah 2:2
“Go and cry in the hearing of Jerusalem, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord:
“I remember you,
The kindness of your youth,
The love of your betrothal,
When you went after Me in the wilderness,
In a land not sown.

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

All of the prophet's emphasis is on the union of God with His chosen people. He wants His people's lives to be an expression of Him in their union with Him. Both major and minor prophets speak of God as the Husband and His chosen people as His wife to become the universal couple

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Hosea was told to take a harlot for a wife to symbolise how God's people/wife behave toward Him.

Hosea 1:2
When the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea:
“Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry
And children of harlotry,
For the land has committed great harlotry
By departing from the Lord.”

Is our good land really any different than this today?

tbc

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 2, 2013

continued from post above

Hosea 6:3
So let us acknowledge him!
Let us seek to acknowledge the Lord!
He will come to our rescue as certainly as the appearance of the dawn,
as certainly as the winter rain comes,
as certainly as the spring rain that waters the land.

God's unchanging love toward an unfaithful wife is seen in these next verses

Hosea 2:17
For I will remove the names of the Baal idols from your lips,
so that you will never again utter their names!
19 I will commit myself to you forever;
I will commit myself to you in righteousness and justice,
in steadfast love and tender compassion.

Israel is also called His son

Exodus 4:22-23
You must say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord, Israel is my son, my firstborn, 23 and I said to you, Let my son go that he may serve me, ...

Because we also have God's life abiding in us, we as Christians are the spiritual Israel with Him as our Husband

John 3:29
The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands by and listens for him, rejoices greatly when he hears the bridegrooms voice. This then is my joy, and it is complete.

2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy, because I promised you in marriage to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.

And we are also sons of the Father

Galatians 3:26
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith
4:6
And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, who calls Abba! Father!

God's love doesn't prevent chastisement, in fact those He loves He also chastises. But that doesn't change His love for His people.

Hebrews 12:6
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves and chastises every son he accepts.

Revelation 3:19
All those I love, I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent!

It's His love that claims the victory for us

Romans 8:35-39
35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will trouble, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, For your sake we encounter death all day long; we were considered as sheep to be slaughtered. 37 No, in all these things we have complete victory through him who loved us! 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor heavenly rulers, nor things that are present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

tbc

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 5, 2013

Matthew 2:13-15
The Escape to Egypt
13 After they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, Get up, take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt, and stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to look for the child to kill him. 14 Then he got up, took the child and his mother during the night, and went to Egypt. 15 He stayed there until Herod died. In this way what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet was fulfilled: I called my Son out of Egypt.

Hosea 11:1
Reversal of the Exodus: Return to Egypt and Exile in Assyria
When Israel was a young man, I loved him like a son,
and I summoned my son out of Egypt.

The prophesy joins Jesus in his life on earth with the Israelites from the beginning of God's work with His people. For all the evil done by the Israelites, Jesus, thru His incarnation to be a true Israelite, joined Himself as being the son of God. In the same way we become united also by being united to Him.

Romans 11:17
Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them and participated in the richness of the olive root,

Galatians 3:26
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.

He makes it possible for us because He is the only begotten son of God where before incarnation He was divinity w/o the cloak of humanity.

John 3:16
For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

1 John 4:9
By this the love of God is revealed in us: that God has sent his one and only Son into the world so that we may live through him.

And by taking on humanity to join us and redeem us as kinsman to us.

John 1:14
Now the Word became flesh and took up residence among us. We saw his glorythe glory of the one and only, full of grace and truth, who came from the Father.

Resurrection brought the combining of humanity and divinity thru God's begetting the firstborn of the new creation.

Acts 13:33
that this promise God has fulfilled to us, their children, by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second psalm, You are my Son; today I have fathered you.

Romans 1:3-4
3 concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with reference to the flesh, 4 who was appointed the Son-of-God-in-power according to the Holy Spirit by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 1:5-6
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, You are my son! Today I have fathered you? And in another place he says, I will be his father and he will be my son. 6 But when he again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, Let all the angels of God worship him!

All believers in Christ share in His resurrection power thru regeneration to be the many sons of God by being part of His body.

Hebrews 2:10
For it was fitting for him, for whom and through whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 7, 2013

Isaiah 40:1-9
40 Comfort, comfort my people,
says your God.
2 Speak kindly to Jerusalem, and tell her
that her time of warfare is over,
that her punishment is completed.
For the Lord has made her pay double for all her sins.
3 A voice cries out,
In the wilderness clear a way for the Lord;
construct in the desert a road for our God.
4 Every valley must be elevated,
and every mountain and hill leveled.
The rough terrain will become a level plain,
the rugged landscape a wide valley.
5 The splendor of the Lord will be revealed,
and all people will see it at the same time.
For the Lord has decreed it.
6 A voice says, Cry out!
Another asks, What should I cry out?
The first voice responds: All people are like grass,
and all their promises are like the flowers in the field.
7 The grass dries up,
the flowers wither,
when the wind sent by the Lord blows on them.
Surely humanity is like grass.
8 The grass dries up,
the flowers wither,
but the decree of our God is forever reliable.
9 Go up on a high mountain, O herald Zion!
Shout out loudly, O herald Jerusalem!
Shout, dont be afraid!
Say to the towns of Judah,
Here is your God!

In God's comfort He has to bring before them/us knowledge of their/our true condition and then He shows the remedy. It's Him that brings our humanity to a low so that He can lift us up in His power to sustain and comfort.It's not until we realise our utter nothingness, like grass in the field, knowing the helplessnes of not being beyond something that withers today and is gone tomorrow, that we're in a position to avail ourselves of the comfort that the Lord waits to give.
The voice speaking (vs 1-2)is that anouncing of the gospel

Isaiah 61:1-2
61 The spirit of the sovereign Lord is upon me,
because the Lord has chosen me.
He has commissioned me to encourage the poor,
to help the brokenhearted,
to decree the release of captives,
and the freeing of prisoners,
2 to announce the year when the Lord will show his favor,
the day when our God will seek vengeance,
to console all who mourn,

Luke 4:18-19
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and the regaining of sight to the blind,
to set free those who are oppressed,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lords favor.

The first anouncement is the coming of John the Baptist (vs 3-4) Then in (vs 5) is the appearance of Christ the recommended of the Baptist as the glory of God.
It's the glory of God that's the centre of the gospel for the new creation.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said Let light shine out of darkness, is the one who shined in our hearts to give us the light of the glorious knowledge of God in the face of Christ.

Christ is the radiant spendour of of God's glory

Luke 1:78-79
78 Because of our Gods tender mercy
the dawn will break upon us from on high
79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death,
to guide our feet into the way of peace.

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, and he sustains all things by his powerful word, and so when he had accomplished cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

So when Christ appeared He is seen/revealed by God-seekers and Christ-believers. To those on whom Christ has shined Christ is the glory of God and the hope of glory within them.

Luke 2:25-33
25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon who was righteous and devout, looking for the restoration of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lords Christ. 27 So Simeon, directed by the Spirit, came into the temple courts, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what was customary according to the law, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and blessed God, saying,
29 Now, according to your word, Sovereign Lord, permit your servant to depart in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation
31 that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples:
32 a light,
for revelation to the Gentiles,
and for glory to your people Israel.

Colossians 1:27
God wanted to make known to them the glorious riches of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Chapter 40 of Isaiah announces the glad tidings of the coming Christ:
as our Lord and God

Isaiah 40:3
A voice cries out,
In the wilderness clear a way for the Lord;
construct in the desert a road for our God.

As the Lord of Glory

Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
and all people will see it together.
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

He is coming with the right to rule, having His reward with Him, and recompences before Him

Isaiah 40:9-10
9 You who bring good news to Zion,
go up on a high mountain.
You who bring good news to Jerusalem,[a]
lift up your voice with a shout,
lift it up, do not be afraid;
say to the towns of Judah,
Here is your God!
10 See, the Sovereign Lord comes with power,
and he rules with a mighty arm.
See, his reward is with him,
and his recompense accompanies him.

As a shepard that feeds His flock He gathers the lambs to Him while He leads them and nourishes them.

Isaiah 40:11
Like a shepherd he tends his flock;
he gathers up the lambs with his arm;
he carries them close to his heart;
he leads the ewes along.

From the first verse of Isaiah 40 we can see that God is being revealed in His speaking. Jesus was sent into the world for the purpose of expressing, unveiling and and presenting God to mankind in a tangable way.

John 3:34
For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for he does not give the Spirit sparingly.

John 7:16
So Jesus replied, My teaching is not from me, but from the one who sent me.

John 14:24
The person who does not love me does not obey my words. And the word you hear is not mine, but the Fathers who sent me.

John 14:7-10
7 If you have known me, you will know my Father too. And from now on you do know him and have seen him.
8 Philip said, Lord, show us the Father, and we will be content. 9 Jesus replied, Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, Show us the Father? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you, I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father residing in me performs his miraculous deeds

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 After God spoke long ago in various portions and in various ways to our ancestors through the prophets, 2 in these last days he has spoken to us in a son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he created the world.

God Has Spoken Fully and Finally in His Son

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 8, 2013

Hosea 11:2
But the more I summoned them,
the farther they departed from me.
They sacrificed to the Baal idols
and burned incense to images.

God summoned thru the prophets and now He summons in Jesus, His final Word. Believers in Christ are all priests ( 1 Pet 2:5,9, Rev 1:6) and should all endeavor to prophesy.( 1 Cor 14:1, 31,39)

Numbers 11:29
But Moses said to him, Are you jealous for my sake? Would that all the Lords people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit on them!

With cords of human kindness and bands of love shows His level of love not as a divine love but as a human love. ie: it reaches us thru the humanity of Christ.

Hosea 11:3-4 (NRSV)
3 Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk,
I took them up in my arms;
but they did not know that I healed them.
4 I led them with cords of human kindness,
with bands of love.
I was to them like those
who lift infants to their cheeks.
I bent down to them and fed them.

Thru incarnation, His life and resurrection, Christ in His humanity performed the steps that God`s love in His salvation reached us.

Romans 5:8
But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us.

1 John 4:9-10
9 Gods love was revealed among us in this way: God sent his only Son into the world so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 10, 2013

Isaiah 42
1 “Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold;
My chosen one in whom My soul delights.
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the nations.
2 “He will not cry out or raise His voice,
Nor make His voice heard in the street.
3 “A bruised reed He will not break
And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish;
He will faithfully bring forth justice.
4 “He will not be disheartened or crushed
Until He has established justice in the earth;
And the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law.”
5 Thus says God the Lord,

Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread out the earth and its offspring,
Who gives breath to the people on it
And spirit to those who walk in it,
6 “I am the Lord, I have called You in righteousness,
I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You,
And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the nations,
7 To open blind eyes,
To bring out prisoners from the dungeon
And those who dwell in darkness from the prison.
8 “I am the Lord, that is My name;
I will not give My glory to another,
Nor My praise to graven images.
9 “Behold, the former things have come to pass,
Now I declare new things;
Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you.”

10 Sing to the Lord a new song,
Sing His praise from the end of the earth!...

Jesus as the servant of God, is the covenent to God's people and a light to the nations

Mark 10:45
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

Philippians 2:5-11
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Christ, as the covenent, is the personification of the legal agreement between God and His people.

Hebrews 8:8-12
8 For finding fault with them, He says,
“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”

and thru Christ's death the covenant becomes a will/testament

Hebrews 9:16-17
16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.

He has become to us not only the One who bequethed all to us but also the executor/mediator of the new testament according to God's righteousness

Hebrews 8:6
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

Hebrews 9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24
and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

His blood sealed the deal according to God's righteousness

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

As the covenant Christ is the surety and the Spirit is the pledge of our inheritance.

Hebrews 7:22
so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

2 Corinthians 1:22
who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 11, 2013

I want to point out the importance of the above post to those Christians who downplay the role of Christ. God has made the covenent with this one, not with you or me. The only reason we are included at all is because he chooses to include you or me. Do you have a personal relationship with him? because if you don't the new covenent does not include you so you need to get it right.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 12, 2013

Hosea 14:4-8
4 “I will heal their waywardness
and love them freely,
for my anger has turned away from them.
5 I will be like the dew to Israel;
he will blossom like a lily.
Like a cedar of Lebanon
he will send down his roots;
6 his young shoots will grow.
His splendor will be like an olive tree,
his fragrance like a cedar of Lebanon.
7 People will dwell again in his shade;
they will flourish like the grain,
they will blossom like the vine—
Israel’s fame will be like the wine of Lebanon.
8 Ephraim, what more have I to do with idols?
I will answer him and care for him.
I am like a flourishing juniper;
your fruitfulness comes from me.”

What began as an adulterous marraige that we see in Hosea has ended in fruitful faithfullness to God. The transformation/restoration has taken place because of love in the life of God with His people.

Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Romans 8:35-36
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” Psalm 44:22

Love in affection isn't the transforming power, it's the love within His life that has the power to bring about change/growth in life.
Our relationship with Him is of the divine eternal life of God.

1 John 5:11
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

to regenerate us, sanctify us, transform us from glory to glory, while it matures us into His life and nature. The outcome for us, as in the book of Hosea, is transformation in life by God's love.

Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Hebrews 12:5-10
5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness.

Not only had Israel forged beyond being an adulterous wife they had become a son to Him. (see also previous posts from last page to hopefully add some more meaning and scripture to this concept) I believe it means to bring the church and Christ into being one.
God's love reaches us thru the humanity of Christ to bring us up to His divine love that is Jesus' in God.

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Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 13, 2013

Isaiah 49:5-9
5 And now the Lord says—
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord
and my God has been my strength—
6 he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”
7 This is what the Lord says—
the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel—
to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation,
to the servant of rulers:
“Kings will see you and stand up,
princes will see and bow down,
because of the Lord, who is faithful,
the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.”

As Servant and Covenent Christ is the salvation of God extending to all the world.

Isaiah 42:5-7
5 This is what God the Lord says—
the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
6 “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
7 to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

Salvation is based on God's righteousness and reigning in His life.

Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
21
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Righteousness is based on God's justice and His life is based on light/revelation.

Romans 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Both the justification and the revelation of God come together when we're reconciled in Christ

Romans 5:10
For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

The foundation built on righteousness is the foundation built on Christ and it's embodied into the New Jerusalem.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Revelation 21:19-20
19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.

The reward is to not face the second death and to be a part of the New Jerusalem instead of one of the nations. The whole world became saveable but only few chose Christ; many who thought they did miracles in His name He knew not. But His sheep gave selflessly without realising they were giving to Him; the difference between the sheep and the goats.

Revelation 22:1-2
Eden Restored
22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

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Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 17, 2013

It never ceases to amaze me that what is hidden to some in the New Testament is said so plainly in the Old Testament.

Matt 13: 52 And he said to them, Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like the master of a household who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 20, 2013

Our Food and Drink

Exodus 16:14-18
14 When the dew that lay had gone, behold, on the surface of the wilderness was a small round thing, small as the frost on the ground. 15 When the children of Israel saw it, they said to one another, “What is it?” For they didn’t know what it was. Moses said to them, “It is the bread which Yahweh has given you to eat.” 16 This is the thing which Yahweh has commanded: “Gather of it everyone according to his eating; an omer a head, according to the number of your persons, you shall take it, every man for those who are in his tent.” 17 The children of Israel did so, and gathered some more, some less. 18 When they measured it with an omer, he who gathered much had nothing over, and he who gathered little had no lack. They gathered every man according to his eating.

2 Corinthians 8: 1-15
Moreover, brothers, we make known to you the grace of God which has been given in the assemblies of Macedonia; 2 how that in much proof of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded to the riches of their liberality. 3 For according to their power, I testify, yes and beyond their power, they gave of their own accord, 4 begging us with much entreaty to receive this grace and the fellowship in the service to the saints. 5 This was not as we had hoped, but first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us through the will of God. 6 So we urged Titus, that as he made a beginning before, so he would also complete in you this grace. 7 But as you abound in everything, in faith, utterance, knowledge, all earnestness, and in your love to us, see that you also abound in this grace. 8 I speak not by way of commandment, but as proving through the earnestness of others the sincerity also of your love. 9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might become rich. 10 I give a judgment in this: for this is expedient for you, who were the first to start a year ago, not only to do, but also to be willing. 11 But now complete the doing also, that as there was the readiness to be willing, so there may be the completion also out of your ability. 12 For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what you have, not according to what you don’t have. 13 For this is not that others may be eased and you distressed, 14 but for equality. Your abundance at this present time supplies their lack, that their abundance also may become a supply for your lack; that there may be equality. 15 As it is written, “He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack.”

The word manna is derived from the Hebrew man-hu, meaning "what is it".The bread from heaven that we have now is in the person of Jesus Christ.It's written that the Father has given this bread for us so in equality we become partakers of life in Him.

John 6:31-35
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness. As it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’”
32 Jesus therefore said to them, “Most certainly, I tell you, it wasn’t Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.”
34 They said therefore to him, “Lord, always give us this bread.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not be hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven—not as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

He is what we feed on to give us the strength, of mind and heart, to live by Him alone.

Numbers 11:6
but now we have lost our appetite. There is nothing at all except this manna to look at.”

John 6:57
As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.

Just as the Spirit is renewed every morning so was the manna. None could be keep over till the next day. The bible's basic principal is for mankind to have a relationship with God in that we need to eat and drink God. By doing so God works His way into us in a transforming manner.

Exodus 17:6
Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb. You shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.” Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

John 7:37-39
Now on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink! 38 He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive. For the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus wasn’t yet glorified.

*Charis* · Oct 21, 2013

maid in His image said:
Our Food and Drink

Exodus 16:14-18
14 When the dew that lay had gone, behold, on the surface of the wilderness was a small round thing, small as the frost on the ground. 15 When the children of Israel saw it, they said to one another, What is it? For they didnt know what it was. Moses said to them, It is the bread which Yahweh has given you to eat. 16 This is the thing which Yahweh has commanded: Gather of it everyone according to his eating; an omer a head, according to the number of your persons, you shall take it, every man for those who are in his tent. 17 The children of Israel did so, and gathered some more, some less. 18 When they measured it with an omer, he who gathered much had nothing over, and he who gathered little had no lack. They gathered every man according to his eating.

2 Corinthians 8: 1-15
Moreover, brothers, we make known to you the grace of God which has been given in the assemblies of Macedonia; 2 how that in much proof of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded to the riches of their liberality. 3 For according to their power, I testify, yes and beyond their power, they gave of their own accord, 4 begging us with much entreaty to receive this grace and the fellowship in the service to the saints. 5 This was not as we had hoped, but first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us through the will of God. 6 So we urged Titus, that as he made a beginning before, so he would also complete in you this grace. 7 But as you abound in everything, in faith, utterance, knowledge, all earnestness, and in your love to us, see that you also abound in this grace. 8 I speak not by way of commandment, but as proving through the earnestness of others the sincerity also of your love. 9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might become rich. 10 I give a judgment in this: for this is expedient for you, who were the first to start a year ago, not only to do, but also to be willing. 11 But now complete the doing also, that as there was the readiness to be willing, so there may be the completion also out of your ability. 12 For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what you have, not according to what you dont have. 13 For this is not that others may be eased and you distressed, 14 but for equality. Your abundance at this present time supplies their lack, that their abundance also may become a supply for your lack; that there may be equality. 15 As it is written, He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack.

The word manna is derived from the Hebrew man-hu, meaning "what is it".The bread from heaven that we have now is in the person of Jesus Christ.It's written that the Father has given this bread for us so in equality we become partakers of life in Him.

John 6:31-35
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness. As it is written, He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.
32 Jesus therefore said to them, Most certainly, I tell you, it wasnt Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.
34 They said therefore to him, Lord, always give us this bread.
35 Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not be hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down out of heavennot as our fathers ate the manna, and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.

He is what we feed on to give us the strength, of mind and heart, to live by Him alone.

Numbers 11:6
but now we have lost our appetite. There is nothing at all except this manna to look at.

John 6:57
As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.

Just as the Spirit is renewed every morning so was the manna. None could be keep over till the next day. The bible's basic principal is for mankind to have a relationship with God in that we need to eat and drink God. By doing so God works His way into us in a transforming manner.

Exodus 17:6
Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb. You shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink. Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

John 7:37-39
Now on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink! 38 He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water. 39 But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive. For the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus wasnt yet glorified.

Was thinking on this very thing all day yesterday... that Jesus
Himself is our very life and sustenance. :bow:

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 21, 2013

*Charis* said:
Was thinking on this very thing all day yesterday... that Jesus
Himself is our very life and sustenance.

Amen! Water and food really means living in a practical way.... The Spirit/(water) supplies Christ's/(bread's) benefits/(nutrients) to every member of the body (literally). We can live a few days w/o water, a bit longer w/o food but w/o the nutrients our quality of life suffers. The benefits that Jesus brings to our table bring joy :amen:

and all the other fruit of the Spirit

Another friend very much in touch with the Spirit prompted me yesterday about this thread and I told him that I had been thinking about a post on the manna. A feast day for us

Thanks for posting!

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 24, 2013

Isaiah 12:2-3
2 Surely God is my salvation;
I will trust and not be afraid.
The Lord, the Lord himself, is my strength and my defense;
he has become my salvation.
3 With joy you will draw water
from the wells of salvation.

Isaiah 55:1
Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let the one who hears say, Come! Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

The waters, plural, imply that the enjoyment we recieve from Him can be enjoyed far beyond just salvation, for those who thirst for Him.

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.

He sends the water forth to water His people and it won't return void because what He has began in us He will accomplish, in heaven and upon earth.

Isaiah 55:10-11
10 As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

Ephesians 3:10-12
10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.

His Spirit washes us in the Word to cleanse us in order to santify, transform and conform us so that we, the body, the church, are built up in Christ to accomplish His purpose.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Ephesians 5:26
to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

2 Corinthians 3:18
And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lords glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

What God is doing in His people by sending forth His Word (vs 10-11 Isa 55) will be both for a memorial to His name and an eternal sign that will be never cut off.

Isaiah 55:13
Instead of the thornbush will grow the juniper,
and instead of briers the myrtle will grow.
This will be for the Lords renown,
for an everlasting sign,
that will endure forever.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 24, 2013

It's interesting that the food (Jesus) (as in the leaves of the tree of life) are for the nations after this age while the water (Spirit) is for life eternal.

Edit: I had to correct that the eating of the tree of life continues also in the millennium for overcomers (must be the fruit of each month) while the leaves are for the healing of the nations..

(I'm really uncertain about analogies at that time but would like to acquire more spiritual insight)

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:14
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 28, 2013

HUNGRY FOR GOD NOT RELIGION

Luke 1:53
He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.

Psalm 42:
1 As the deer pants for streams of water,
so my soul pants for you, my God.
2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God.
When can I go and meet with God?

Revelation 2:
7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.

Religion teaches many things that include the teaching of doctrines from the tree of knowledge that are the teaching of Balaam (v. 14 Rev 2), the teaching of the Nicolaitans (v. 15), the teaching by Jezebel (v. 20) and the teaching of the deep things of Satan (v. 24).
But thru Jesus the way to the tree of life has been reopened following the time of the fall. God's original intention was for us to eat of the tree of life and while religion teaches it's the Lord who feeds.

John 6:35
Then Jesus declared, I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.

Scripture isn't just words of doctrine to teach our minds but it's food to nourish our spirit.

Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, It is written: Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Hebrews 5:12-14
12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of Gods word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

The Lord promises the overcomer in Rev 2:14 that they will eat the hidden manna that is what was given to the Israelites during the wilderness wanderings but here is given as a reward to those who overcome the deep things of religion teachings that go against His Word. And in verse 7 He gives of the tree of life to the overcomer while the church of Laodocea is told if they will open the door to Him He will come in and dine with Him. Overcoming may be the good land coming for those who enter in.

Joshua 5:10 Joshua 5:12
10 And the children of Israel camped in Gilgal; and they held the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month in the evening on the plains of Jericho.
11 And on the day after the Passover, on that very day, they ate of the produce of the land, unleavened cakes and parched grain.
12 And the manna ceased on that day, when they ate of the produce of the land; and there was no longer manna for the children of Israel, but they ate of the yield of the land of Canaan that year.

God wants us to eat the food He has prepared for our spirit, Christ, that is meant to be alive in Him. That food is typified by the tree of life, the manna, and thee produce of the good land, all various aspects of Christ as food to us. He is our food supply and is a feast full of His riches for our edification. God's original intent was to eat of the tree of life and now Christ has opened that way for us again.

Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
:9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the groundtrees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Hebrews 10:19-20
19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body,

The Lord's promise to give Himself as a reward is an incentive to leave degraded religion that detracts from feasting on His riches. It's the replacement of the church that the overcomers have accomplished in the millenium.

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

The Lord's promises concerning the reward and the Lord's predictions concerning the loss, at the end of each of the seven epistles, refer to His dealing with His believers in the coming millennial kingdom. They have nothing to do with the believers' eternal destiny.

Revelation 10:10
I took the little scroll from the angels hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour.

The lessons from God always are so sweet but the experience can be bitter. Learning religious doctrines don't have the power to affect us either way. Those who aren't hungry for God won't live an overcoming life because God grants the overcoming experience to those who are hungry. We need that desperation for Him to use and bless us. :prayer:

Citizen of the Kingdom · Nov 3, 2013

In the psalms the revelations of Christ are of an even more particular manner. Here the saints have come into relationship with God to the point that the Holy Spirit can speak thru them. For instance the second Psalm`s author isn`t in the title but Acts 4:7 gives credit to David as the author.

Acts 4:25
who by the mouth of your servant, David, said,
Why do the nations rage,
and the peoples plot a vain thing?

And yet clearly in verse 2:7 it's Christ that's speaking

Psalm 2:7
I will tell of the decree of the Lord:
He said to me, You are my son;
today I have begotten you.

As Christ spoke to God the Father

Heb 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him,
You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You;

Much of what David adheres to, belief-wise, in the psalms are still very much old testement law. So distinction needs to be made. Yet because of David's nearness to and openess to God, David`s spirit could and did speak things that belong to the Spirit of Christ.

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