Clairvoyance
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I don't think most atheists have problem with recognizing Obama as a Christian.
Conservatives, on the other hand, still think he is a MUSLIM... lol!
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Theistic Non-Conservatives, What's Worse: Atheists or Conservatives?
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I don't think most atheists have problem with recognizing Obama as a Christian.
Conservatives, on the other hand, still think he is a MUSLIM... lol!
stop with this "generalization" thing when it's clear I am speaking based on my encounters and experiences, which is the only thing anyone can ever speak on. There are exceptions to everything, there are conservative Christians who are brilliant and have done nothing but good for the world, and vice versa, but people can only refer to their impression of the majority.
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Clairvoyance
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He MIGHT be an atheist but he publicly identifies as Christian... it's just safer that way.
So until we have evidence to the contrary we can just take him on his word. Beliefs aren't as important as actions though.
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There is no way for that, as the video brings up, hardly a speech goes by without Obama talking about Christ and importance of faith.
He doesn't just identify as Christian, he has a lot to say about Christ and what he did for the world: Remarks by the President and Vice President at Easter Prayer Breakfast | The White House
"In these sacred days, those of us as Christians remember the tremendous sacrifice Jesus made for each of us - how, in all His humility and His grace, He took on the sins of the world and extended the gift of salvation. And we recommit ourselves to following His example - to loving the Lord our God with all our hearts and all our souls and with all our minds, and to loving our neighbors as ourselves."
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Nonsense, I am sorry, but pure nonsense. You could possibly make that argument for someone as part of the majority (or once was a majority) like Catholics in America, Evangelical Christianity or Islam in the Middle East, but atheists go after the Dalai Lama, liberal Christianity, members of the Baha'i Faith and so on. They don't want to listen to anything that explores the possibility of God/theology, but still want to appear "tolerant" and excuse attacks for "fair challenges." It creates nothing but hostility and strife and does absolutely nothing to make the world a better place.
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Yes, I have never understood this practice of grouping together all those who don't declare a religion as if this trait means we all have something else in common. I guess it's just a form of othering.
How do you expect me to believe you when I don't have to look further than myself to falsify your claims?
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I don't think he's a Muslim, but I don't believe he's a Christian either. Matthew 7:16 says, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?". I think President Obama is a universalist, but not a Christian, for he does not bear Christian fruit.
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And there are people who would say that you don't "bear Christian fruit" since you've decided to play God's role and pass judgment on who's Christian and who's not. What an interesting system you guys have.
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The Bible says we are to exercise discernment and separate the "wheat from the tares". What is the fruit of the Spirit?
If there was a believer in a foreign nation who knew nothing of our president, would he bear enough fruit for the believer to instinctively know he is a Christian? I seriously doubt it. Not to mention, he sat in a church that isn't exactly known to be Christian in nature, rather a radical socio-political movement known as black liberation theology.
It's one thing to say with your lips that you are a Christian. Most people in the United States profess that. But how many live it? How many have God's Laws written on their hearts? Non-christians have a really hard time with this. They think the only way a person can prove they're a "true Christian" is if they support the same things they do, but do those viewpoints align with the Scriptures? If they don't, you can be rest assured the person is in error and perhaps even their soul in danger. Proverbs 14:12 says, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.".
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And what are you basing that on? He's the President of a secular country with many religions. He cannot only stand for Christians. You have no clue what his personal life dictates about his beliefs.
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