Clarifications on what Pastor Joseph Prince teaches

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Does Pastor Joseph Prince teach the following or not?


(a). It is necessary to reject the love for sinful pleasures.

(b). Acts of sin (also called as the works of the flesh - Gal 5: 21) have eternal consequences.

(c). "Once forgiven ever forgiven" theory cannot be claimed to the total exclusion of exercising faith in His Grace to overcome sin and the sinful nature.


You are welcome to quote from his writings or sermons.
 

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1. We ought to have regard for those who preach or teach His word of Grace as follows:

1 Thess 5: 12, 13: "And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake".

2. However, His word never permits us to boast about those who preach or teach as follows:

1 Corinthians 3: 21: "Therefore let no man glory in men".

1 Corinthians 3: 7: "So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase".


3. Further, His word also teaches us to check all the teachings as to whether they are true as follows:

Hebrews 13: 9: "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines".
1 Thessalonians 5: 21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good".
1 Corinthians 2: 15: " But he that is spiritual judgeth all things".

It is in this regard, that I believe it would be better for us to know, whether the beliefs of the dear man of God, as taught, belongs to the arminian or non-arminian school of theology. (Note: No Believer or Preacher or Teacher is exempt from sanctification and mind transformation (Romans 12: 2) and that includes me. Everyone needs to grow in the knowledge of the truth. None can claim that we know everything). This is because Word of faith Teachings have a Arminian/Wesleyan influence as the following quote proves:

"By making this decision, God, to some degree, placed limitations on Himself. The Arminian theologian, Jack Cottrell says, “In a sovereign act of self-limitation God thus limited the way in which he would exercise his own authority over the world.”25 This demonstrates the Arminian/Wesleyan influence on Word-Faith teachings.26". (A Response to the tract written by Tricia Tillin Titled “Ten Reasons To Reject Word-of-Faith Teachings” (Part One)) (underline mine)

The idea of this post is only for the purpose of knowing the truth. God bless the man of God and every people of God who pursue the truth.
 
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1. We ought to have regard for those who preach or teach His word of Grace as follows:

1 Thess 5: 12, 13: "And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake".

Shouldn't we also consider what the Bible says about those that take God's Word out of context and cause some to lead sinful lifestyles thinking they are going to Heaven when they won't be according to the NT?

The following references indicate it is possible to not go to Heaven after being born again if the do not walk in fellowship with the New Covenant which Copeland agrees to and talks about or at least used to talk about:

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Galatians 5:16-24
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Ephesians 5:1-7
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becoming saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no harlot monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things come the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
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We should all remember that the book of James teaches that faith without acting like what we believe is true... is not faith that God accepts. Just some friendly thoughts to ponder.
 
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* No sense of remorse/understanding of guilt is needed for salvation. One only needs to change one's mind to "repent".

(p.233). "When John the Baptist said, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" he was essentially saying, "Change your mind, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"...When you begin to receive the revelation that you are no longer under the old covenant law, but are now under the new covenant of grace, the Bible calls that repentance.

* The salvation prayer contains no apology or sense of guilt for sin.

(p.314) "Lord Jesus, thank you for dieing for me on the cross. Your precious blood washes me clean of my every sin. You are my Lord and saviour, now and forever. I believe that you rose from the dead and that you are alive today. Because of your finished work, I am now a beloved child of God and heaven is my home. Thank You for giving me eternal life, and filling my heart with peace and joy."

* He teaches that as Christians we should no longer be conscious of sin.

(page 186).Chapter 14 of Destined to Reign is titled: No more consciousness of sin. and teaches that to be conscious of sin is to have an evil conscience: an "evil conscience is a conscience which is constantly conscious of your sin"

(page 134) "The holy spirit never convicts you of your sins. He never comes to point out any of your faults."
 
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Have you ever wondered which big time preacher, especially the ones on TV that have access to large audiences, is Jesus talking about in this scripture???

It'll be interesting to see which TV preacher goes to hell won't it?


Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. (see James 1:22)
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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I always prayed since I new Christ "let me see people through your eyes" 10y later He answered that. In short He was crying so hard and each person I saw not one..not saved not lost..not one new how much He loved them. That was why He was crying so very hard.

"It'll be interesting to see which TV preacher goes to hell won't it?" you are alone in this thinking. See the Father saw all would (forgive me Father) go to hell never being with Him. So He sent His only son so not ONE would ever have to go there. The Father is not a man nor thinks like one.

I understand you are blind when saying that. The LOST those that have fallen are the reason you and I are still here.
 
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I understand you are blind when saying that.

NO, Jesus specifically said that some who appear to be doing mighty works for the Lord will not even make it to Heaven!

There's a couple that are big name preachers on TV right now that are teaching satan's deception who are causing believers to turn away from the Lord... they'll be the first two preachers to be eliminated!

No I don't take any joy in that... but God is just and Jesus does know what He's talking about as all judgement has been turned over to Him and HE SAID some who appear to be doing mighty works for the Lord will not even make it to Heaven!

I'm not prepared to claim that Jesus is blind like satan is claiming... are you???


The LOST those that have fallen are the reason you and I are still here.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever... can you explain this statement where it can be understood :confused:
 
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Does Pastor Joseph Prince teach the following or not?


(a). It is necessary to reject the love for sinful pleasures.

(b). Acts of sin (also called as the works of the flesh - Gal 5: 21) have eternal consequences.

(c). "Once forgiven ever forgiven" theory cannot be claimed to the total exclusion of exercising faith in His Grace to overcome sin and the sinful nature.


You are welcome to quote from his writings or sermons.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
 
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I saw this somewhere (didn't save the link) and had it in my notes.

I sure hope this is not true, cause he's in trouble if it is!



[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]The applicability of Jesus’ teaching to believers
Joseph Prince claims that Gospel portions as the Sermon on the Mount are expressions of the Mosaic Law that do not apply to Christians today.

The validity of exhortation

Joseph Prince sees exhortation as legalism.

The validity of preaching on hell
Joseph Prince opposes such preaching or teaching, mentions nothing about hell in his ministry’s statement of faith.

Self-examination
Joseph Prince repeatedly argues against this.
[/FONT][FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif](guess he doesn't believe in taking communion!)

Godly sorrow
Joseph Prince speaks against this as an undesirable, negative experience.

Divine correction
Joseph Prince incorrectly maintains that the Lord will only show us our righteous status in justification and never expose sin in our lives, never corrects us.

The definition of repentance
Joseph Prince asserts that repentance is simply changing our minds to believe the good news about grace and has nothing to do with turning from sin.
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Hey Gospel Guy I guess you dont listen to his message do you. I guess you don't check the bible to make sure he's not lying. I guess you don't check greek word definitions. I guess you wouldnt eat with prostitues and tax collectors. I guess you would pray long self examination prayers instead of simple prayers.

I have a question for you. How do you turn from "sin" without changing your mind? If you don't change what you believe you will never turn from sin. Makes senses right?

Another question,,, by your standards you say we need an undesirable and negative experience to be right with God...right? So, who determines the level of negative experience? Is their a limit?

How would you preach to a prostitute? A gangster? Killer? An addict? How would you preach to someone addicted to heroin or sex or drinking? By your terrible news gospel not a lot of people are going to heaven.... The only thing you have for sure is that you are 1 of the select few going to make it because you keep the whole law... or is that your self examination or is it your repentance or is it your undesirable negative experience, or is it God exposing your sin or is it your not understanding the bible, or is it your not reading the bible....

I can hear your gospel message now.... Come to Jesus, come to this God where he will expose all your darkest sins. Come have a terrible undesirable negative experience. Come to this God where he wants you to look at how terrible of a person you are... do self examination...

Its sad to see how narrow minded you make the gospel. Your gospel leaves no hope for the dying world.

You want to know something I have worked with many murderers and I have shared the actual good news with them. That if they accept Jesus all their sins are forgiven, past present and future. After they accept Him not one said yippy I can go kill more people. No these people are so thankful for a loving Savior. Look beyond your churches religious beliefs. Do yourself a favor and put aside everything you think you know about the bible and read it starting in Romans. Remember Jesus had to die for the NT to begin.
 
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I have a question for you. How do you turn from "sin" without changing your mind?
Sorry, Mr Prince, nor his good buddy Joel Osteen, does not teach turning away from the sin as in QUIT SINNING, but instead teaches that since Jesus paid for our sins... all we need to do is change our mind to believe we are forgiven and turning away from sin is not what the Bible teaches... which is actually something satan teaches since he knows God says if we continue in sin without turning away from it, there is no further sacrifice for sin:

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins

I have no problem visiting with hookers and dope dealers, etc, etc, since this is the kind of folks I used to party with... but I would first off NOT partake in their sin with them and I would explain that yes Jesus died for them but they MUST accept the new birth and turn away from darkness into walking with God in light as the Bible correctly teaches... something Mr Prince does not teach because if he did his book sales and donations would go down! Apparently, the deceitfulness of riches Jesus spoke of in Mark 4:14-20 has choked the Word of out Mr Princes life seeing he does not teach what the New Testament teaches and only talks about a few concepts found therin.

I would tell them what God taught me... if any man is IN CHRIST, he is a new creature old things are passed away BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW AND ARE OF GOD... and explain to them they need to engage God in personal relationship so that they are hosting the Holy Spirit in their lives instead of cute sounding stories that do not teach that God desires for His people to be set apart unto Himself and delivered from this world’s ways which are the ways of darkness.

TV guys like Prince and Osteen are teaching a man-made gospel in the ditch which turns the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ into lasciviousness which is why both of these guys have people going to their churches that live in open, unrepentant sinful lifestyles where their sin is actually embraced as being A-OK... things the Bible says that those that do these things will NOT go to Heaven

Apparently, they don’t know that God FORBIDS us to continue living in willing and knowing sin!

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Here are some scriptures you will not hear Prince and Osteen teach on...



Romans 1:24-32
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Galatians 5:16-24
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.



Ephesians 5:1-7
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becoming saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no harlot monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things come the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.



Ephesians 4:17-27
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
But ye have not so learned Christ;
If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil.


Do yourself a favor and put aside everything you think you know about the bible and read it starting in Romans.
If you agree with Mr Prince... sorry, but you haven’t a clue about what God taught in the Book of Romans. All you got is seeker sensitive cute stories that sound good yet do not teach repentance from death to life, from walking in the flesh to walking in the Holy Spirit.... all you have is a form of godliness that denies the power of God.

Hang in there man, there’s still time for you to learn the truth, but the time is coming to a close very soon!
 
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It seems to me that if you do not agree with the WoF or with the grace that the Lord Jesus has given us then you would do well to fellowship in another area with those who believe in condemnation and in keeping the law.

We believe that grace and mercy are ours through our Lord Jesus Christ. We believe that we are made righteous by His doing. We believe we have been justified by faith. And on I could go.

I'm not going for one second to listen to one who wants to undo all the glorious things our Lord Jesus has done and drag me back into bondage. I live a life of freedom, a life of victory, a life free from sin, and I was unable to as long as I tried to with my own righteousness. The Word of God is true! Don't defile it.
 
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It seems to me that if you do not agree with the WoF or with the grace that the Lord Jesus has given us then you would do well to fellowship in another area with those who believe in condemnation and in keeping the law.

We believe that grace and mercy are ours through our Lord Jesus Christ. We believe that we are made righteous by His doing. We believe we have been justified by faith. And on I could go.

I'm not going for one second to listen to one who wants to undo all the glorious things our Lord Jesus has done and drag me back into bondage. I live a life of freedom, a life of victory, a life free from sin, and I was unable to as long as I tried to with my own righteousness. The Word of God is true! Don't defile it.

Does your version of "liberty" include living a sinful lifestyle... living in what God's Word identifies as things that cause people to NOT go to Heaven??? I should hope not... true extreme grace FREEs people from the desire to sin as it empowers us to live in the IN CHRIST being led by the Holy Spirit seeking His will above all else as we adhere to God's written Word.

I'm not advocating "earning" salvation as is how people like to attack the responsibility God has given us to walk with Him in a close personal relationship. God simply wants us to agree with Him as citizens of His Kingdom and turn away from this world's ways that lead to destruction. You are not in agreement with this? That once we enter in to a relationship with Him we should live to please Him and not the flesh and the world around us? :confused:

God intended for OSAS to be taken seriously as we put off the old man and put on the new man... but, God gave us free will so we do have the option of reverting back to living in Adam (living in the flesh) which is what many are doing whilst they continue claiming they are saved as though they have never seen Romans 8:1 which clearly states that condemnation still applies to those who are walking in the flesh and even goes on to say in Romans 8:13, "if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live"

Is living IN CHRIST and walking in the Spirit... works? Should I remove Romans 8 from my Bible and consider it to be a lie? What other parts of the Bible are lies? See, the old time WOF guys accepted and taught the entire New Testament, not just the feel good verses because it's all applicable to us today!

Romans 8 clearly teaches us that it's NOT actually OK to live like the world and expect to go to Heaven... yet some of these TV preachers teach that none of this matters, probably because if they taught the Word of God their books wouldn't sell so well and offerings would go down because we now live in a time when many Christians will not endure sound doctrine as noted in 2 Timothy 4:3

Mr Prince and numerous others on TV have severely watered down the Gospel of Jesus Christ making it fashionable to be worldly and claim to be a Christian while they pat each other on the back saying "you're alright" as they teach just bits and pieces of the New Testament.

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Malachi 2:17
You have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet you say, Wherein have we wearied Him? When you say, Every one that does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
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The Cross of Calvary did not cause seedtime and harvest to cease... it applies to EVERY area of our lives, not just when we give offerings to our favorite preacher and I say that as one the Lord has blessed financially.

WOF used to be teaching the Word of God as it is written, according to how God lays out the Gospel...not according to what people wanna hear that are more interested in themselves being comfortable.

What ever happened to olk skooL WOF anyway? You know, the stuff Hagin used to teach, and what early Copeland used to teach? I gotta go back to my teaching series from times past to get the good stuff any more... just shows we are in the last of the last dayz!
 
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I can tell you don't listen to Joseph Prince. I record his teaching daily and listen avidly. He teaches a lot from the Old as well as the New Testament.


In answer to your first question, my freedom enables me to live a life free of sin. Didn't I say that already? Guess you really didn't read my post carefully but heard what you wanted to, yeah, like you did Joseph Prince.

I'll agree with you on one thing - I like Kenneth Hagin Sr. and all of Copeland's early teachings too.
 
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I can tell you don't listen to Joseph Prince.

I used to listen to him frequently, until I heard him say one day that 1 John 1:9 was not written to Christians and does not apply to us because after we get saved we NEVER have to ask for forgiveness again... which is false teaching.

1 John 1:6-10
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


In essence, he is teaching that after we get born again... we have no sin which is false according to the scripture above. He is confused between Jesus paying the price for our sin, and accessing that gift after we become Christians and commit a sin. He is teaching people to not receive cleansing by the Blood of Jesus... which is one of the slickest deceptions I've seen the devil pull in the 29 years I've been a student of the Word.

And then, he said most of the teachings of Jesus were taught "under the law" and do not apply to Christians as though God somehow made a mistake by placing the Gospels in the New Testament.

He also teaches that exhortation is legalism, and opposes any mention of hell in his messages and in his ministry’s statement of faith. That's funny, cause Jesus and the New Testament as a whole mentions quite a bit about hell cause due to God giving free will to mankind, OSAS end up being a myth!

He is opposed to self-examination as though Jesus mentioned nothing about the Father purging us, and as though the correction God said all of us must endure in Hebrews 12:5-11 shouldn't be in the Bible.

Eventually you are going to hear him say things that oppose scripture. This is a great example of someone who says most things right... but deception is tucked in where it's hard to recognize.

Whether intended or not, teachers like this do promote young Christians into a worldly, flesh oriented lifestyle.... because they hear that it matters not how you live as long as you believe in Jesus as though Romans 6:12-19 and Galatians 6:7,8 aren't even in the Bible.

Stuff like this is why many Christians today have no problem with abortion, same sex marriage, intoxication, all of which will cause the salvation of those that do such things to be in jeopardy unless that ask for and receive cleansing by the Blood of Jesus... which many won't do cause Mr Prince said Christians never have to do that.

Sorry, but this is some serious deception when compared to what the entire New Testament teaches... which is the key... many today do not believe the entire New Testament, and opt to believe just the happy talk only.

So, good luck with your endeavors with Mr Prince! :sorry:
 
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Does Pastor Joseph Prince teach the following or not?


(a). It is necessary to reject the love for sinful pleasures.

(b). Acts of sin (also called as the works of the flesh - Gal 5: 21) have eternal consequences.

(c). "Once forgiven ever forgiven" theory cannot be claimed to the total exclusion of exercising faith in His Grace to overcome sin and the sinful nature.


You are welcome to quote from his writings or sermons.
You can try a comprehensive book on GRACE: https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Revolu...d=1470142527&sr=8-2&keywords=jesus+revolution
 
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Ok things being said here.. well hurt. It was not said that way to hurt anyone. Just was not thought before written. "It'll be interesting to see which TV preacher goes to hell won't it?"

Once in my life.. only once did He let me see through His eyes at His creation at His children. Took 15 years for that prayer to get answered. As we look out into this world we see people.. people a GOD made. Not me.. I STILL have no say in this what so ever. So we have the lost in which He come and died for.. as in the world. Those are HIS not yours not mine.. HIS creation. We have those that say Jesus is lord..both groups not one of us can see the heart. Those that are His are HIS not yours not mine.. His Children.

I could just speak true.. and it would cut to your heart. So I will reword it. What if it was your family your talking about? Your kids. Were talking about people a GOD MADE. That will be forever no chance of being with Him.. EVER. WE do not think just WHO we are talking about.. yet..OH WE LOVE JESUS huh? I said WE..

As for Joseph? For me.. what I look for is "Jesus came in the flesh died for the worlds sins, was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father". <----this by grace through faith we are saved. Mr Prince believes this. Now if someone wants to get stuck on lets say "little gods, money, gifts" once saved always saved..no you sin your lost forever. We can keep going. I got lost here.. WHY is your personal belief the RIGHT one? What you believe about Grace.. is right why? The gifts why? Salvation why?

There is SO much to this YOU should know other then following believing what some group believes. Christians. A word that was not known when JESUS walked this earth. It was only known AFTER Jesus died rose PRAISE GOD glory to JESUS for that. A word that was used to make fun of those that believed in Yeshua/Jesus Christ. So when anyone says "there were no Christians no Church when Jesus walked this earth" a its 100% fact. The word says.. without the shedding of blood.. there is no forgiveness of sin. Who did Jesus talk to about bring "born again"? what did that man know about the law..in ALL of Israel? That man could not understand. So Matt 24 and what ever.. was not told to any Christians or Church. Jesus told Peter upon this rock will I .. WILL I .. build my Church. Matt 24.. was never told to Christians. So on so forth. Now..

That being said.. I agree with Mr Prince on that part.. but the later I do not. That would be like saying the OT.. yeah.. not for us? Lol.. this still does not make Prince NOT of God. Nor more then you are not of God for what you personally believe.

For me.. again Jesus came in the flesh.. ect. You are His. Now.. groups that ADD things to a book that was already written.. i will not follow. That is as far as I can go. The heart what they truly believe only a GOD can know. And.. He said twice.. if I had not come and spoken they would have no sin. He also said.. if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see? Your sin remains.

So many are blind..they dont know the real truth. He is a JUST GOD. And His books that only HE writes in.. the heart of which only He sees. He will not ask me or you about them and every lasting life. We get no say what so ever. Now..did we pray love forgive them.. as we would like to be treated.. is what we will answer to a God for. I love you so much. But.. PLEASE remember WHO MADE this people..

He loved all that HATED HIM..yet He came and died. So..its to HIM you are really talking to. Muslims.. where Jesus never rose.. and so many others groups.. THOSE are the ones we should be talking about. If you dont agree with so and so PRAISE GOD.. in they are in error. TALK TO THEM.. pray for them. To a GOD that died for them knows them..knows how to reach them.. to HIM we should take this. so..lets pray FOR all
 
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