Enemies of Jesus

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Here's thought that popped into my head this morning:

If we are following Jesus, walking how Jesus walked and teaching what Jesus taught, shouldn't we be attracting the same enemies that Jesus attracted?
Very well could be and that quite possibly due to a trend invitation reflective of theological postmodernism.
 
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Here's thought that popped into my head this morning:

If we are following Jesus, walking how Jesus walked and teaching what Jesus taught,
shouldn't we be attracting the same enemies that Jesus attracted?
Yep.

And we are.

Just have a look at all those today who are the enemies of Paul, for the same reason as the enemies of Jesus and Paul in their day, salvation by faith alone (Jn 3:18, 36; Eph 2:8-9).
 
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Heres one

Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Even as we see this

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Seeking to catch him (even as one catches men) as found here

Jerm 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

They lay in wait to do so, as shown in Paul too

Acst 20:19 Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:

Which is interesting because its the "words of" of the wicked which lie in wait

Prov 12:9 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

And the Lord delivered Paul out of "the mouth of" the lion, and every evil work, in respects to accusing you "falsely".

Seems to be a pattern in there which can be shown in various ways. Says all who will live godly (not ungodly) in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
 
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Heres one

Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Even as we see this

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Seeking to catch him (even as one catches men) as found here

Jerm 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

They lay in wait to do so, as shown in Paul too

Acst 20:19 Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:

Which is interesting because its the "words of" of the wicked which lie in wait

Prov 12:9 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

And the Lord delivered Paul out of "the mouth of" the lion, and every evil work, in respects to accusing you "falsely".

Seems to be a pattern in there which can be shown in various ways. Says all who will live godly (not ungodly) in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
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Here's thought that popped into my head this morning:

If we are following Jesus, walking how Jesus walked and teaching what Jesus taught, shouldn't we be attracting the same enemies that Jesus attracted?
Yes.. our lives should be filled with opposition as we work miracles and do the things that JESUS did. There's a difference between drawing opposition b/c one has Jesus living through them (thus suffering for His sake) and one who draws opposition b/c they're doing wrong.
 
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I started thinking about this because I heard a story about a pastor who was 'accosted' by a 'lesbian' in the parking lot of his church after evening service. Security was beefed up in that church as a result.

But I don't recall prostitutes and tax collectors to be the one throwing rocks at Jesus.
 
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I started thinking about this because I heard a story about a pastor who was 'accosted' by a 'lesbian' in the parking lot of his church after evening service. Security was beefed up in that church as a result.

But I don't recall prostitutes and tax collectors to be the one throwing rocks at Jesus.

There are militant lesbian groups also. One such group was "bash back" and what they have done in churches (even before children).

Herodias wanted to kill John after he said something to Herod that it was not lawful to have his brothers wife. Herod cast John into prison.

We hear of some like Zacchaeus repenting and others not, sure.

The Pharisees just say and do not. These were of great opposition to Jesus
 
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There are militant lesbian groups also. One such group was "bash back" and what they have done in churches (even before children).

Herodias wanted to kill John after he said something to Herod that it was not lawful to have his brothers wife. Herod cast John into prison.

We hear of some like Zacchaeus repenting and others not, sure.

The Pharisees just say and do not. These were of great opposition to Jesus

Something that Herod and the Pharisees had in common was that they were 'God's authority on earth'.
 
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Something that Herod and the Pharisees had in common was that they were 'God's authority on earth'.

Sure sis, as was Pilate

Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Acst 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Acst 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Jesus tells them to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees and that of Herod more specifically too.
 
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I just read about a group here that goes out on the streets every week to heal people and share the gospel. They're doing it for months now, everyone thinks it's great, but now there came 3 religious folks asking in which authority they did it and one was beaten by an atheist psychologist, but he kept sharing the gospel very friendly to him. He said: oh maybe that were some demons not liking it.
 
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Paul got it from both sides, whether they be Jews

Acst 9:23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

Or whether the Romans

Acts 16:21 And teach customs, which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being Romans.

Jesus says of all nations

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Heres both

Acts 14:5 And when there was an assault made both of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them,

They would just flee to other cities

2Cr 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one (Duet 25:3)

He speaks of many perils by various

2Cr 11:26 ... In perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

Those which are without and the daily care of those from within
 
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Thanks for your input everyone. :)

This is rolling around in my head because I'm trying to figure out what sort of 'fruit' is reflected when one is attacked by a single, lone, 'sinner' because of one's words.

I guess the response to 'beef up security' at the church is troublesome to me, too...
 
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If you are living for Jesus Christ and doing what the Father says to do, don't you think that Satan will not be happy about this? Do you think that he is going to leave you alone for speaking God's word and living Christ? Of course not. Jesus told us of these things and Paul stated this. You will get opposition from the world, your family, your work, and sad to say, other Christians. Satan uses all of these to get our eyes off of God.

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Thanks for your input everyone. :)

This is rolling around in my head because I'm trying to figure out what sort of 'fruit' is reflected when one is attacked by a single, lone, 'sinner' because of one's words.

I guess the response to 'beef up security' at the church is troublesome to me, too...

Heres some lone killers that have entered into churches

church shootings – News Stories About church shootings - Page 1 | Newser

I mean you could do nothing I suppose, the churches fruit wasn't being judged when Saul was wasting it.

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

Different scenario and different reasons given as here

Mat 14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.

This being the reason

Mat 14:4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.

Paul was later taken for casting a spirit of divination out of a certain damsel, so the reasons are different.

But just say, if someone started preaching what will not enter the kingdom of God, people get ticked off at the messenger. The reproach of them that reproach thee has "fallen upon me" (type thing).And some start on how it could be understood as discrimination etc. After all when Paul started preaching the faith of Christ speaking of temperance, righteousness, and the judgment to come in respects to the Kingdom Felix "trembled" and wanted him to go and come back at a more convenient time. It wasn't an ear tickling message, and Jesus speaks of them being delivered up to Kings and rulers to be a testimony "against them". And you have to leave room for someone not liking what is spoken.
 
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Here's thought that popped into my head this morning:

If we are following Jesus, walking how Jesus walked and teaching what Jesus taught, shouldn't we be attracting the same enemies that Jesus attracted?

who in this world does NOT in some way get persecutions? even people who do not preach about Christ, still get persecuted for Christ sake, since Christ is the Holy Spirit, and not just words alone. therefore anyone doing any good, with any good fruits of God in them ( though they also have thorns and thistle)... still, that does not take away their good fruits. it is a wicked persecution against them to claim they have no good fruits when they plainly do, they slander the image of God that is in them, though it may have some smudges on it. they hate their brothers and so how can they love God? they persecute the poor, and thus Christ, for the least among you who does good or evil, it was done to Christ. we are plainly told to not return evil for evil, but good for evil and so even when we react in evil to evil, we are persecuting.

not many things are cut and dry. objectify something to much and you have a dull view of reality. some Christians who were good examples never had a physical finger lifted up against them. others such as jacob boehme had very many enemies, but also very many friends, of which continues to this day. saint Ignatius who wrote some early christian letters ( who is to this day is persecuted in various ways ) was burning with divine love and did desire to be slain for Christ and his church sake, and he was. paul was desiring to die, but decided that it is better if he remains due to his great concern for his brothers and sisters in this earth, then later on when the time was right, he was slain.

Jas 3:13-18 (YLT)
Who is wise and intelligent among you? let him shew out of the good behaviour his works in meekness of wisdom, and if bitter zeal ye have, and rivalry in your heart, glory not, nor lie against the truth; this wisdom is not descending from above, but earthly, physical, demon-like, for where zeal and rivalry are , there is insurrection and every evil matter; and the wisdom from above, first, indeed, is pure, then peaceable, gentle, easily entreated, full of kindness and good fruits, uncontentious, and unhypocritical: -- and the fruit of the righteousness in peace is sown to those making peace.


the more peaceful people are with each other, the less persecutions there are. people not fully mature in Christ have both good and evil angels influencing them, they have free will to pick one or the other but it is not the same as those who are walking in the spirit of liberty, of mature sonship. so often we do not even grasp that what we do is wrong, we are very dull when we are spiritual babies. those who are mature in the Spirit "know what they are saying" as opposed to peter when he was still a disciple, it was said "he did not know what he was saying". there are many many people in the world that "do not know what they are saying" but speak divine things due to the various good angels over them, and at the same time since they are trapped in a lower reality they themselves have a completely different idea of what the words they say mean. but the grace/love/mercy/transcendental orderings of God from various levels surmounts all things.

ofc james had his head bashed in after being thrown off a high place if I am not mistaken. amazing that in his time, people would kill such good people! times do change and the tactics of the enemy can change too. some places in the world are easier to control and manipulate, some types of souls are not going to be able to be foolish enough to kill others. it just depends on what evil spirit is able to take control of a person. if evil spirits can't harm the Christians in a more direct manner, they might try to harm him with other people who they already have various levels of domination over. but let us not forget all our allies, there are very many more good beings out there than evil. the root of the problem is that people are easy to control by the dwindling forces of evil in this world. as long as people let others blindly rule over them, they shall be ruled over by that which overcomes them. there are good angels over the evil spirits as well as the gospels and other rejected books that are holy claim. but evil spirits reside in a very small part of reality, much more often things are ordered by a multiplicity of good beings. we hardly understand heaven at all. persecution comes in a variety of forms. to some people, everyone is their enemy, to others, no one is.

honestly it was Jesus plan to become a martyr, he knew how many people it would help in the long run, he was very willing, completely trusting in His Father. he understood that the time he came in at was a very difficult one, that is why he came when he did. the people who worked against him only ended up serving him and all others in the end by showing us the darkness. they shall not lose their reward.

persecution is a blessing sometimes. to not be persecuted can end up being a great curse. the complexity of the various souls and groups of various spirits in this world makes complex interactions that are not easy to just give a yes and no answer to, which is why we have many different examples in the bible and in all of reality. it is all right in front of us, all we need is the Spirit of God to teach us. and the depths of his wisdom are never ending divine love. he is the author of our own salvation, of each of our gospels of our life, not only the bible. the world is real, that is where the bible was written in. to reduce the world to the bible is foolish, unless you see with the Spirit of God, then it does not matter, God can do whatever he wants and teach us however he desires. see reality and the bible from the worlds eyes and you will have the reasoning of the world, from an good angel, the reasoning of an good angel, from a person, the reasoning of a person, from God, the reasoning of God.

persecution is subjective depending on your current perception and spiritual state of being though there are various archtypes of how one will response to this or that, we are capable of responding and seeing things in various ways that do not have to conform to the status quo 'normal' human interactions and reactions. all humans are unique and this is a symbol that each is also unique in soul and spirit, in as much as they are themselves rather than slaves, and they are also mixed up and composed of many things, the same as the earth and the universe is. the closer to God we are, the more we find ourselves. reality, God made it, tis hard to explain reality, especially when you know there is also the invisible influencing the visible and that they are mixed together to create our experiences. and reality is simple too, the 2 commandments, be a child, ectect.
 
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