Who is satan?

Satan is an evil spirit who works in the world and in many a man, but is not flesh and blood as you suggest.

texascowgirl said:

The Lord said there is no other. Its just him. And why does the scriputres posted above tells us it all comes from THE LORD.

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There is no other God but Him, but that is not the point. The Lord created both the serpent and man, but the serpent is not man just as the spirit of that Wicked is just that, a spirit who works in man just as Gods Holy Spirit also works in many a man.

texascowgirl said:

Isa14:12 How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!

The above scripture is not about an evil invisible Satan. It’s about a man..said to have fallen from his position as a powerful world leader. The word Lucifer is a Latin translation of the Hebrew word “helel” which means the morning star or the bright morning star. In biblically history,” the bright and morning star” was a title for a great and mighty ruler.

Falling from heaven is a figure of speech meaning they have fallen from their position of authority in leadership. Lucifer in isa 14 is referring to a human king that has lost his position as a ruler due to pride in his heart.

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While you have some understanding that HaSatan is a title, not an individual's name, you have some misconceptions.

Satan in Hebrew is the verb 'to accuse'. When made definitive it becomes 'the accusing [one]', ie 'the accuser'. It is a position of authority as like a court prosecutor in the divine counsel. It is a position, not a name.

Heylel is 'light-bringer' or 'shining-one'. It is an epitaph of the ancient pagan sun god who was worshiped at Babel. He is 'Heylel ben Shachar', the 'son of Shachar' while Shachar was the name of a Canaanite deity who was called a 'son of El'. The equivalent of 'heylel' in the Greek would be Pheobus as in Pheobus Apollo. Heylel was man by birth but of angelic lineage by his father. He was Nephilim. Now his father was in sin for having children. We also know that four angels were bound at the Euphrates that get let back out in Revelation 9.

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

When and why were those angels bound there? What sin did they commit to be cast into prison? We know from 2 Pet 2 that the angels that sinned pre-flood for marrying and having children were bound in Tartarus, the lowest part of Hades where the immortal titans were imprisoned in the Greek. It is the only reference to Tartarus in scripture. Were four more angels bound at the Euphrates at a different time? Was it for falling into the same error after the flood and their children causing the rebellion against Noah and Yah while setting up the pagan worship?

Shamayim (heavens) also means the sky. So being cast down from the sky at the Tower of Babel is also valid. The passage is addressed to the shameful king of Babel. Babel and Babylon are the same word in Hebrew. When the word king is vowel pointed with the pattern for 'shame' the word Melek becomes the title 'Molech' the Canaanite sun god. The passage in Eze 28 to the 'king of Tyrus' is another reference. Molech in Tyrus was called Melqart which means 'king of the city'.

Now Heylel/Lucifer tried to set his throne above the 'stars of El', who were those stars? Could they have been his own father that was a 'star of El' that was cast down and imprisoned? Job 38 talks about Shachar.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it (he) might take hold of the ends(skirts) of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

How did Shachar, the Morning, take hold of the skirts of Erats and shake the wicked out of those skirts? Now in the Sumerian religion, the Anunnaki were the children of Anu (heaven) and Ki (earth) that were gods. Was Shachar one of the stars that led the 'sons of God' in song when He laid the foundations of the earth?

Why was Satan cast down 'as lightning'? This same deity Shachar was called Hadad by the Syrians. Hadad, the thunderer, was the god of lightning and thunder. The Greeks called him Zeus.

Now Rev 9 also names the 'king' over the abyss and his name in the Greek is Apollyon, an alternate spelling of Pheobus Apollo.

The Greek gods were the same gods as the Babylonian, Sumerian, Canaanite, ... gods. They were just known by different titles or attributes and the languages got split at Babel but many of the names are the same but in different languages.

For example, Anath in the Canaanite pantheon (Baalim) was Neith in Egypt and Athena in the Greek. Nebo of the Babylonians was Hermes to the Greeks. Ashtoreth (shameful star) was Venus/Aphrodite/Diana...

HaSatan is just the spirit of a dead half-breed Nephilim born after the flood that caused the rebellion at Babel and took over his father's role as 'the accuser' in the divine counsel. He is the 'king of the abyss' and rules over the spirits therein. Yah gave authority over the earth to mankind in Eden. To hold authority over the earth, HaSatan MUST BE a man of some form. He is just the king over all evil spirits.

texascowgirl said:

Even Job did not describe an entity called satan that done the afflicting on job. He said it was God.

Job 19:21 says, Have pity on me, have pity on me, O you my friends for the hand of God has touched me. And you can read what job said God did in chapter 19 ..read verses 1-13 and verse 21.

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Actually you can't go by the English translation of Job. It is clear in the Hebrew that Job's friends are pagans. They follow other gods. When Job is referring to YHVH, he uses the word Elohyim but in the above case he uses Elowahh instead. It is one of his friend's pagan gods that attacked him. You have to look at what words in the Hebrew get translated as 'God' with a capitol 'G'. Many should be 'god/gods/goddess' instead when they are referring to one of the gods followed by his 'friends'.

InSpiritInTruth said:

Satan is an evil spirit who works in the world and in many a man, but is not flesh and blood as you suggest.

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Actual as a single spirit, he can only be in one individual at a time. He is just the ruler over all the other lesser evil spirits. Most christians never have to deal with HaSatan personally, just his lesser minions.

Yes he is just a spirit without physical form. He is already dead.

texascowgirl said:

when reading the whole thread all both good and bad comes from God. He sends evil our way in every single verse in the bible when terror or bad things occurred. There are verses galore telling us of the evil God sends our way and every statement begins with the Lord will............Every single verse.

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All was created by Yah yes, both good and evil. He allows evil to carry out consequences from violations of His Word. When He speaks a consequence for a violation, the enemy has the right to carry it out. So the ultimate authority comes from Him but He gave authority over the earth to man. We as man also do evil to one another. He is not to blame for that because He gave us authority and free will to follow His ways or our own. Then we face the consequences for our actions.

Yahu said:

Actual as a single spirit, he can only be in one individual at a time.

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I would have to disagree. There are only 2 spiritual seeds in this world, (serpents seed and womans seed) one good, the other evil. The father of this world, which is the prince of this world (the serpent, Devil, Satan) empowers and works in many, just as God the Father Holy Spirit also works in many.

Blood Sweat and Tears said this about the Devil..
Blood, Sweat & Tears "Symphony For The Devil / Sympathy For The Devil" - YouTube

InSpiritInTruth said:

I would have to disagree. There are only 2 spiritual seeds in this world, (serpents seed and womans seed) one good, the other evil. The father of this world, which is the prince of this world (the serpent, Devil, Satan) empowers and works in many, just as God the Father Holy Spirit also works in many.

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This confirms my point.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

texascowgirl said:

But he don't just allow though, he is the one who sends it according to scriptures

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He sends it by His spoken word via His law. He allowed HaSatan to attack Job for a purpose. Yah didn't attack Job. He removed His hedge of protection around Job. That is all.

Job occurs during the time of the Exodus. While HaSatan is sending attacks on Job, those same events are falling on Egypt where Yah is setting His people free from slavery. Yah basically tricked HaSatan to send the attacks that He turned around for good, then restored 2x to Job what he had lost. Job is a type and shadow of Yeshua, one who suffers so that others are set free of captivity.

So if Yah got HaSatan to send plagues and they fell on Egypt as well as on Job, did Yah send them? Yah enticed HaSatan to go after Job but allowed everyone free will while He brought about His own plans.

InSpiritInTruth said:

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

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The 'prince of the powers of the air' is the anti-christ spirit, not Satan. He is the third member of the unholy trinity. His realm is that of the 'air'. He is 'prince' while HaSatan is 'king'.

He is over the 'fowls of the air' in the parable of the sower. Each of the different things that destroy the harvest are different principalities by their symbols. In that parable, the sun is a reference to the ways of HaSatan. He is portrayed as the sun god through out scripture. The stoney soil is a reference to Ashtoreth, ie Jezebel Spirit. She is the pagan rock throughout scripture. The thorns of the cursed earth are a reference to Asherah, a lesser fourth principality. They are the four winds/spirits of the earth.

It is the 'seed of the serpent', ie offspring that is in conflict with the seed of the woman, ie Yeshua. The serpent of the garden of Eden has been in prison since all the angels that fell in Gen 6 were locked up in tartarus at the time of the flood. HaSatan was NOT the serpent in Eden. That belief comes from a misunderstanding of a reference in Eze 28.

HaSatan is NOT omnipresent. He does not have those attributes. He has minions and children that serve him. The tares are of seed of HaSatan that still exist in the world. His offspring still live among us.

Nimrod was the original anti-christ. It is his spirit that is the 'prince of the powers of the air'. He is also 1/4 Nephilim via his mother, the twin sister of Lucifer/Satan. The Romans called her Dianna Luciferah. She got her title 'queen of heaven/sky' by being queen mother at Babel. That anti-christ spirit is the nephew of HaSatan.

Your position is rooted in Augustinian doctrine from about 300 AD which was heavily influenced by Greek philosophy. The entire concept that Lucifer was some mighty angel that fell and took 1/3 of the angels into rebellion and he is Satan now is nonsense propagated by Augustine. That is NOT what scripture says or the Hebrew understanding for thousands of years. There are NO fallen angels that influence the world today. They are all in prison and aren't let out until the tribulation. We only deal with the spirits of their offspring that rule the enemy realm, evil spirits.

HaSatan is nothing but a ghost of a dead pagan god. He is nothing but a liar and has convinced so many that he is greater then he actually is.

InSpiritInTruth said:

I would have to disagree. There are only 2 spiritual seeds in this world, (serpents seed and womans seed) one good, the other evil. The father of this world, which is the prince of this world (the serpent, Devil, Satan) empowers and works in many, just as God the Father Holy Spirit also works in many.

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Nonsense. Only Yah is omnipresent.

The seed of the woman is a reference to Yeshua. The seed of the serpent is the evil spirits that proceeded from the fallen angels from the spirits of their corrupted offspring. All those offspring were killed by the flood. Four more angels fell into error after the flood which started the post-flood corruption. Those children are the tares sown in the field and will remain until the final harvest.

HaSatan most likely doesn't know even who you are or even care. He just has minor minions that come against your life.

texascowgirl said:

yahu I'm not a believer in freewill. all that happens is caused by God. no he didn't do it himself but he is why it was done. And Yes for all the evil God sends there is a good purpose for it. God uses evil for good purposes. He uses it to humble man.

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Well for someone that didn't know Noah was after Adam, Im not surprised that you fall for Calvinistic nonsense. May after another 30 or 40 years of bible study you won't hold the same positions.

Yahu said:

Nonsense.

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To you maybe, but I believe what the word of God says is true.

satan - an adversary, one who is acting against the truth .
lucifer - a fallen cast out archangel who became self proud
lucifer is the chief adversary and accuser of the brethren and the first to introduce a lie to mankind (the "father of lies")
there are many adversaries (all atheists are adverse to the truth of the Lord Jesus as are new age followers ,cultists etc .any who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus is God become flesh .. Mormons , Jehovah witnesses, etc are all (though unwittingly in some cases) adversaries to the truth .

i think the Op is not trying to be wrong or right but may be confused by terminology .