Visions of the Time of the End

All of Daniel's visions of the time of the end are totally congruent together [Daniel 2; 7; 8; 9; 11; 12] and with Revelation's unfolding which adds more details to the same

For example, Revelation expands Daniel's 4 Middle Eastern kingdom view to include all 7 kingdoms of the beast who has ruled and will rule over these for Satan [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-12]

The three additional kingdoms in perspective are the post flood lands of Magog and his brothers incorporated by the ancient Assyrian Empire with its core city at Nineveh, the smaller kingdom of the little horn at the beginning of the time of the end of this present age, and next his greater divided kingdom with 10 other kings

When this little horn is completely possessed by Satan's beast ... this beast will become the 8th king himself .... the same little horn is seen as the "beast" in Revelation's unfolding

Daniel gives 4 kingdoms in chapter 7 beginning with neo-Babylon and ending with the northern and more extensive of the Seleucid kingdom .... this division of Alexander's Asian Holdings then ruled the Middle East just after Alexander's early death [8:5-8;11:3-4] [Alexander conquered, but did not live long enough to rule over his Asian holdings]

The vision breaks at 8:8 and moves directly to the time appointed at the time of the end of this present age .... 8:9-812 and 8:23-25 is the little horn and final king of the north noted in 7:7-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45; 12:7

Notice that the same break appears in chapter 11 at the ending of the rule of Antiochus IV the last of the northern kings [Daniel 11:21-35] and the vision then moves directly to the rule of the little horn at the time appointed

Daniel's 4th and last kingdom in chapter 7 was not the Roman Empire, but will be the 10 king confederation of the little horn at the time of the end

This break is consistent in Daniel's visions and the breach that lies between is also the time lapse between the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel at the Lord's cutting off .... and the beginning of the 70th week which is still pending [the time of Jacob's trouble, same as the Lord's hour of trial, the tribulation period described in Revelation's unfolding 6:12-17; chapters 8 thru 19]]

This same break appears in all of the visions of the prophets related to the time of the end .... none record any events in the silent breach between the ending of the 69th week .... and the beginning of the 70th week decreed

Neither does the Lord in His discourse related to the time of the end .... all of His projection moves directly to the 70th week decreed for Israel just as the prophets do the same .... He continues on giving the same exact time lapse skipping over the breach and directly to the time of the end of this present age

70 AD and the Roman incursions were not part of the time of the end that He speaks of and the 70 AD setting lies within the breach of the scope of the visions as well as do many other significant events upon the earth over the last 2000 years

Many interpreters of the prophetic scriptures have missed this breach of silence related to the scope of the prophetic visions and instead attempt to insert historical events upon the earth in the period of the breach

This behavior has caused much confusion among those who profess to be Christian and some of the most off road theologies of men have developed as a result

This same breach is also defined as the period of the Lord's grace before His next intervention to bring and complete the 70th week that He has set out for His national people Israel

Israel rejected Him at His first intervention and so He set the nation aside and offered His salvation to the Gentiles of the nations ..... when this period of His grace ends and the fullness of the Gentiles has been added to His ecclesia, He will then turn to a returned remnant of Israel that has been re-gathered into the land for experiencing the coming 70th week decreed

The second chapter of Daniel which gives the image of successive Middle Eastern kingdoms is totally congruent all of the other visions in Daniel, the other prophets, and the Lord's book of Revelation

All of the image kingdoms are Middle Eastern .... Rome and the successive rulers of the Middle East up to this very day are not included and all existed in the time lapse of the breach ... the Roman involvement to the fragmented states of today are not a part of any of the visions of the Bible prophets

The image begins with the neo-Babylonian Empire and moves forward with the Persian, Alexander, the dividing of the same of the rule of Seleucid/Ptolemaic, one north and one south of Israel .... and then the vision moves directly to the time of the end with a similar divided setting which then turns into a 10 king Middle Eastern confederation

Rome did not begin as a divided kingdom one north and one south of Israel and is not in the vision of the image, but lies in the breach between the ancient dividing just before the first century .... and the similar dividing that will appear at the time of the end during the coming 70th week decreed for Israel [the breach lies between the two thighs of the past .... and the two legs at the time of the end]

Notice that there is again a kingdom of the north and one of the south seen in Daniel 11:36-45; 12;7 at the time appointed .... the little horn is the king of the north

We have currently a setting in the Middle East that is still fragmented and in upheavel, and I believe this stirring will produce the dividing of the end time north and south with respect to Israel

We know that the populations of the Middle East today are mixed and of the same stock of their ancient predecessors .... and these are all primarily the adherents of Islam today

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Even though fragment politically, all have the same hatred toward the western nations [specifically the USA], and of course Israel

So my opinion is that both Israel and the USA are at risk and will have to face the ambitions of the last king of the northern Middle East .... the little horn, the "Assyrian" of Micah 5, Satan's [gog's] instrument used to attack Israel in Ezekiel 38:39, the other prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26-27, the yoke of Jeremiah 30, the king of the north in Daniel 11:36; 12:7, the same beast of Revelation's unfolding

It is of certainty that Israel will have to experience this little horn and his 10 kings

.... and it may very well be that the USA will be destroyed by the same one who will sweep away many with impunity [Daniel 11:44], and will burn the "great city" of MBG of the western nations into extinction .... never to rise again [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The prince who shall come will be from the people who destroyed the sanctuary and the city. It was not the muslims. It was not any middle east kingdom. It was the Romans.

Doug

Well you and I see this differently .... the destruction by the Romans in 70 AD lies within the breach of silence of the scope of the prophetic visions

There are two princes noted in Daniel 9:24-27 .... the Lord, the Messiah Prince, and the other prince who shall come with his followers who is not a Roman prince of the past

It is this prince that shall come to bring the desolations during the pending 70th week decreed for Israel which is still future

So I don't think that the verses speak of the Romans in 70 AD

It is the Lord who will confirm the covenant that He has with the "many" .... the believing remnant part of Israel during the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37]

And it is the other prince [the little horn of Daniel's visions] who will come to desecrate

I believe this little horn is defined in scripture as the coming "prince" of today's Muslims

Time Watcher said:

Well you and I see this differently .... the destruction by the Romans in 70 AD lies within the breach of silence of the scope of the prophetic visions

There are two princes noted in Daniel 9:24-27 .... the Lord, the Messiah Prince, and the other prince who shall come with his followers who is not a Roman prince of the past

It is this prince that shall come to bring the desolations during the pending 70th week decreed for Israel which is still future

So I don't think that the verses speak of the Romans in 70 AD

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The prince who shall come is not back in 70 AD, agreed. But he has to be a Roman. That's one of the major flaws in your little horn emerging out of a nation muslim confederacy.

I gave you the rationale why I believe the little horn will be of Julio-Claudian bloodline.


Doug

Are you sure the Roman Empire didn't cover Turkey in 70 A.D.? The prince who shall come doesn't necessarily have to be Roman in that case. Because that's where I believe the son of perdition has a good chance to come from. I believe the Mahdi - if he appears - will be the false messiah. I believe a Roman will be the false prophet, however.

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Are you sure the Roman Empire didn't cover Turkey in 70 A.D.? The prince who shall come doesn't necessarily have to be Roman in that case. Because that's where I believe the son of perdition has a good chance to come from. I believe the Mahdi - if he appears - will be the false messiah. I believe a Roman will be the false prophet, however.

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Being Roman doesn't necessarily mean being from Rome. Being of the people who destroyed the temple and city is talking about his heritage - who he is descended from.

That the little horn will emerge from the end times fourth empire, he will come up within the boundaries of that ten king (ruler) kingdom group of nations. Right now, Turkey is not part of the EU. And is unlikely to ever be.

Some people speculate on a ten nation return to the Caliphate, and figure the little horn to emerge out of that group. They connect Turkey as being the origin of the little horn from reading Daniel 8:23, and (mis) interpret that the king of fierce countenance has to originate from one of the four breakup kingdoms. They add to their rationale that pergamos was spoken of figuratively as the seat of Satan.

It is against Muslim religion for them to worship the Mahdi. It would be like saying Christians worship Elijah or Moses.

Doug

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Well you and I see this differently .... the destruction by the Romans in 70 AD lies within the breach of silence of the scope of the prophetic visions

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that's an unbelievable declaration
it was a MASSIVE event, that, while not the end times event,
is still in scripture in Dan9 for sure, if not in Mat24

You mentioned the following below:

The vision breaks at 8:8 and moves directly to the time appointed at the time of the end of this present age .... 8:9-812 and 8:23-25 is the little horn and final king of the north noted in 7:7-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45; 12:7

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If you understand who the little horn is and why he claims to be the king of the north, we need to understand him to be the eighth king, where eight symbolises resurrection. This resurrected king is also the seventh in line to the six that were before him when the beast that was and is not and yet is again is established for his reign.

Remember Daniel talks about the building up of Jerusalem for the coming of the messiah, however the Jerusalem built up today is for this seventh incarnated king who is labeled symbolically as the king of the north.

Isaiah 41:25
I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come:
from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name:
and he shall come upon princes as upon morter,
and as the potter treadeth clay.

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So Jesus Christ is the true king of the north, yet this little horn claims that he is and by making this claim he is saying that he is God Almighty on earth.

North therefore symbolizes the ultimate Kingly authority as used quite often in the Holy Bible.

Who is the little horn?

Isaiah 14:13-14
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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Do you now discern that the little horn is Satan incarnated in flesh counterfeiting Christ's incarnation. As you can see satan has an I complex I I I.

"that's an unbelievable declaration
it was a MASSIVE event, that, while not the end times event,
is still in scripture in Dan9 for sure, if not in Mat24"


So were the crusades, inquisitions, World War I, World War II all significant events [much more massive than 70 AD] ... none of which are in the visions ... you cannot find them

Rome is recorded in the NT as a matter of the Historical record, but this is not visionary prophecy

So Rome, 70 AD, Mohammed, the Arabian Empire, Mongol, Ottoman, British .... none of these can be found in the prophetic visions

There is a reason .... the prophets are silent between the ending of the 69th week [about 33 AD] decreed for Israel and the beginning of the 70th still pending

A major flaw in the professing "church" to day is the idea that the Lord is finished with His nation of Israel .... and because of this error the truth has been lost with respect to the Lord's time line of His prophetic events

His age of grace lies between His first advent and cutting off .... and the beginning of the time of the end of this present age .... this time lapse is still runing ... but not for long

When a remnant part of Israel returned in 1948 this shocked the professing "church" except for a few and the response for the most part has been to ignore, or to lash out with anti-Semitic rant, even to the extent of denial calling the remnant "fake Jews"

If you have been taught that Israel is no longer a part of the Lord's future dealings with His national people, you have been lied to

.... and you will never understand His prophetic word

"Do you now discern that the little horn is Satan incarnated in flesh counterfeiting Christ's incarnation"


You are close

Actually, it is Satan's beast from the abyss who will incarnate the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Revelation 9:11; 11:2; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]

When Abaddon fully possesses the human little horn he will become the 8th king himself

If you are going to study the prophecies you might as well get it right

Satan considers himself to be God and the beast in the little horn is his mimick for Jesus .... Abaddon is Satan's "antichrist"

As God incarnated himself into the world through the historical figure Jesus of Nazareth, Satan will be forced and thrown down like an abominable branch onto the earth by being forcefully incarnated within a vessel so that he can be literally destroyed.

Isaiah 14:9-27
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming (SECOND COMING DOCTRINE IS SATAN'S COMING): it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

God is saying that he has prepared satan and his seed who are the captains of this world for slaughter.

10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

The above verse portrays satan as being incarnated in human form, so that he too has become like man and weak like man.

11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

The above verse is alluding to the POMP AND CEREMONY of the second coming doctrine where satan is revealed to the world at the symbolic 1290 days after martyring the bride of Christ.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

He will be tossed out in the earthly realm to be seen of men so that they can see how the oppressor has become a weakling like them.

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Satan wanted to be like Christ who is the king of the north and be recognised as the leader of the angelic heavenly host of heaven that are described as the stars of God.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

The heights of the angelic white cloud is Christ's reigning place where satan wanted to be.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

That is why satan is called the beast of the bottomless Pitt.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

When men look at him as an incarnated man they are bewildered to understand how this man standing in front of them could have caused such terror.

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

God reminds satan that all his earthly captains are brought down to the grave never to rise again.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Satan is literally forced down as a man so that he can be seen as a weakling and then to be killed as a man. Satan was instrumental in the crucifixion of Jesus and this time it is his turn to face God's wrath.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Notice in the above verse satan is prepared to be incarnated as a man so that he could be killed and placed as an abominable branch in an unmarked separate grace.

21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

God degrees a day of slaughter for all his seed the TARES.

22vFor I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

God the Father is going to do away with literally every soul on earth after his Son's bride is martyred.


24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: 25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

Th above versus symbolises Satan as the the earthly king of this world the Assyrian.

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Sorry, cant agree with your idea about Satan

He is too proud to be a mere beast in the human little horn .... he is the puppet master

.... but he thinks that he a "god" and ventures to over the only true God and creator of the universe

Revelation 20:10 clears the issue about who Satan is and he is obviously a different entity than his beast and his false prophet

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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There is a two fold meaning to the beast if you also consider the following verse:

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

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If you recall that it was satan who received the head wound when Christ defeated him on the cross at Calvary.

As far as the earthly beast, and false prophet that the Dragon who is the beast of the bottomless Pitt aka satan influenced we see it vividly clear in these versus:

Revelation 12:3
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

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This great red dragon is satan who is the beast of the bottomless Pitt who gives power the seven earthly kingly heads as the crowns. We know that the beast that was was instrumental in persecuting the 1st century church with the false prophet.

A prophet is said is said to speak on behalf of God. So the false religious system that was used by satan as the false prophet to persecute the 1st century church was the Levitical priestly system. Saint Paul was once marked by the beast who conscripted him to persecute the church until Christ conscripted him for his cause.

We know that the beast that was, then it wasn't must relate to the persecutors of the first century church in the form of the Herodean dynasty and the false religious Pharisaical system.

We then are told the beast was not as it received the deadly head wound in 70AD.

Also John also confirmed that the six king that was still alive after the beast wa given to the fire in 70AD would be no other than King Argippa II who was exiled to Rome and later died in 92AD.

Know after that introduction we can discern that the seventh king to come when the beast that was and it isn't and yet will be again as we have seen in 1948 as the Israeli beastly kingdom in the Middle East is awaiting the seventh king. Yet this seventh king is vastly different to the other six before him because it will be an incarnated king. The counterfeit of the second coming doctrine places satan as counterfeiting Christ's incarnation by coming to earth himself in human form to take care of business himself whereas before he enlisted the six earthly kings.

Why is it different this time around is obviously clear in that in 70AD it was said that satan was chained yet the beast and the false prophet was given to the fire. This time around satan is included in that fire himself which implies that he is going to manifest in human form. Yes satan himself will manifest in human form to be worshipped in place of God for that is what the second coming doctrine is all about. The second coming doctrine is a deception to lure people to worshipping satan instead of the real messiah.

Revelation 20:7-10
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Notice that the first time the beast was slain along with the false prophet in 70AD the devil was only bound in his bottomless Pitt prison for the 1000 years (symbolic). Then when he is released as the seventh incarnated king he to succumbs to the same fate as the first beast deadly wound in 70AD.

Time Watcher said:

"Do you now discern that the little horn is Satan incarnated in flesh counterfeiting Christ's incarnation"

You are close

Actually, it is Satan's beast from the abyss who will incarnate the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Revelation 9:11; 11:2; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]

When Abaddon fully possesses the human little horn he will become the 8th king himself

If you are going to study the prophecies you might as well get it right

Satan considers himself to be God and the beast in the little horn is his mimick for Jesus .... Abaddon is Satan's "antichrist"

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What you are saying is very interesting! Where does the scripture mention that the antichrist will end up being a fallen angel? I never heard of this before. I think that this is what you are saying. Please clarify . Thanks bt469

Read Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14

Satan will be allowed to release this fallen angel upon the earth who ruled for him over the human kingdoms and related king positions of the Middle East in the ancient past, all 5 of them before the first century

This is why it is written that the beast "once was" [ruling], now "is not" [ruling] [he is in the abyss], and "yet is" [he is still alive and will come out of the abyss to rule where he has ruled in the ancient past]

This beast is not a human ..... sounds strange, but true .... neither is Satan, these are both fallen angels and so is Satan's false prophet a fallen one of the same rebellion

Not only human intransigence is at risk, but so is the devil and his minions

The events of the time of the end of this age will also involve satan's controversy with Jesus Christ .... in the open on the earth as well

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This beast is not a human ..... sounds strange, but true .... neither is Satan, these are both fallen angels and so is Satan's false prophet a fallen one of the same rebellion

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Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The Antichrist will be a man, who will be possessed by an unclean spirit of someone who died in the past - responsible for the tower of babel, the beginning of Babylon the great, who himself was a nephillim or in large part nephillim.

Doug

You are getting closer

Abaddon is an angel who will fully posses, control, and manifest himself in the human little horn .... the beast and the man .... the number is Abaddon's number of which will also be the number of a man .... and the devil is the puppet master

However, Abaddon did not die in the past ..... angels were created in the beginning and do not die until the Lord will kill them in His lake of fire [Revelation 19:20]

Your obsession with Nimrod coming back to life is not a biblical teaching .... this early human city builder is dead and his next adventure will be here [Revelation 20:11-15] .... unless he repented before his death .... doubtful

The human little horn of Daniel's visions will be a man of his day .... not some one of the past .... there is no description given for this one about being a resurrected human

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