John 14:12...Where are the healers of the body?

John 14:12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."

Does this imply that believers have the ability through Christ Jesus to heal people? It sounds like he is saying that the works he does we will do . Wasn't healing a work? The only thing that makes me think otherwise is if faith isn't a work, Jesus says their faith has healed them. So what works would they be talking about? The conversion to Christianity? Please comment.

Awaken4Christ said:

John 14:12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."

Does this imply that believers have the ability through Christ Jesus to heal people? It sounds like he is saying that the works he does we will do . Wasn't healing a work? The only thing that makes me think otherwise is if faith isn't a work, Jesus says their faith has healed them. So what works would they be talking about? The conversion to Christianity? Please comment.

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Christ is not speaking of all believers in all ages here, but of His Apostles.

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I'm not posing this question because my ego is through the roof lol. I just wanna hear what people think is the proper understanding or context of this text.

Foghorn,

I am not sure I can take the broad sounding statement "he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also" as only referring to the apostle-era. "he who believes in me" and "whosoever believes in him shall have everlasting life" seems to harmonize and mean those who are saved can do the works Jesus did.

Please show me where this is wrong. I am not promoting any doctrine. I am simply trying to get to the root of this text.

Awaken4Christ said:

I'm not posing this question because my ego is through the roof lol. I just wanna hear what people think is the proper understanding or context of this text.

Foghorn,

I am not sure I can take the broad sounding statement "he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also" as only referring to the apostle-era. "he who believes in me" and "whosoever believes in him shall have everlasting life" seems to harmonize and mean those who are saved can do the works Jesus did.

Please show me where this is wrong. I am not promoting any doctrine. I am simply trying to get to the root of this text.

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You were speaking of healing and such in the op? I do not believe, nor does scripture teach men are given gifts of healing, good grief, imagine having that sort of power?

During the early church Christ did empower his apostles and other ministers for the building up of the church with many special gifts. Today, amongst believers there obviously is still power, consider the taring down of strongholds, pulling people from the edge of hell by the gospel, etc....

However, IMO, the gifts the op was referring to, namely healing, I do not believe exists today in a single person. Sure God still heals, however, there are no healers. So, people like Benny Hinn are fakes.

Hope this helps

Even the Apostles had to pray that God
would work. The boldness that they had-
they prayed to God for.
We can pray for God to "stretch forth
His hand (not ours)and heal" like in Acts 4:30 but
it is still His decision.

Awaken4Christ said:

John 14:12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."

Does this imply that believers have the ability through Christ Jesus to heal people? It sounds like he is saying that the works he does we will do . Wasn't healing a work? The only thing that makes me think otherwise is if faith isn't a work, Jesus says their faith has healed them. So what works would they be talking about? The conversion to Christianity? Please comment.

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For the sake of the argument, let's just assume a literal interpretation from a continualist perspective. Even so, Christ did not specify precisely what those "greater works" are. Ok, so, Christ said "he who believes in Me". Now let me ask, how many miracles, I mean genuine supernatural miracles have you witnessed in your lifetime? Many of us have probably watched on T.V., the false miracles of false teachers like Binney Hinn. How many have you witnessed, that you know beyond a shadow of a doubt are genuine? Now Jesus said "he who believes in Me", and how many people have met in your lifetime professing to believe in Jesus? See where this leads? By the assumed interpretation, neither me nor any professing Christian I have known, actually believes in Jesus, neither before nor since becoming a Calvinist. Now, this may be speculation, and does not necessarily assume continualism, I would attribute "greater works" to men like C.H. Spurgeon. Why? God only knows how many he preached to in his lifetime. God only knows how many were converted under his ministry. God only knows the impact his legacy in writings etc. still has on believers today. At least 3,563 of his sermons have been preserved in writing, and that does not include his writings. I have read that he preached to millions throughout the course of his lifetime. Finally, he preached the Gospel, the power of God unto salvation, the means God has chosen to save souls, through the supernatural work of monergistic regeneration, which is of infinite greater value than healing the fleshly body.

Awaken4Christ said:

Does this imply that believers have the ability through Christ Jesus to heal people?

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Nope

Fellow Bible thumper chiming in. There are no human beings who can heal, this is Charismatic/Pentecostal/WOF propaganda to bring in the donation$$$.

AmericanSamurai said:

Fellow Bible thumper chiming in. There are no human beings who can heal, this is Charismatic/Pentecostal/WOF propaganda to bring in the donation$$$.

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I agree.

Awaken4Christ said:

John 14:12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."

Does this imply that believers have the ability through Christ Jesus to heal people? It sounds like he is saying that the works he does we will do . Wasn't healing a work? The only thing that makes me think otherwise is if faith isn't a work, Jesus says their faith has healed them. So what works would they be talking about? The conversion to Christianity? Please comment.

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It doesn't imply, It is the truth. Repentence takes forgiveness, tears and crying out to god to help them overcome their sins. That is Christian works, and walking and being healed and overcoming. Works with great spiritual benefits.
So many Christians read scripture, but lack understanding.