The Godly Way Women Are To Dress and Look

sunlover1 said:

Perhaps,... but it was how Jesus rolled.
I never tell people their faith is not large enough.
But when people were healed, Jesus did say,
"your FAITH has made you whole"
And when the disciples failed, He did call them perverted.


If you're keeping yourself filled (present tense) maybe, but...
I have a spirit filled friend who's totally in love with God and spends hours
a day in prayer and meditation.
Years ago, she had this deep depression come upon her, and she could not
find her way out of it. It took a full year.
I do believe Christians can be depressed.

King David, when depressed, would speak life into His soul.
(WHY are you cast down, oh my soul...remember God and how
Good He is... etc)
He would "Encourage himself in the Lord"
Saul would have music played to him.
Allusions to sadness/depression/grief in
can be found throughout Scripture
As I look at Scripture, it does seem
to lean towards her understanding.

We are hard pressed on every side,
yet not crushed;
we are perplexed,
but not in despair;
persecuted, but not forsaken;
struck down, but not destroyed…
Therefore we do not lose heart.
Though outwardly we are wasting away,
yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
For our light and momentary troubles
are achieving for us an eternal glory
that far outweighs them all.
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen,
but on what is unseen.
For what is seen is temporary,
but what is unseen is eternal”

God's answer seems to be to fix our eyes
and minds on Him, on what things are Good,
TRUE, trustworthy, noble etc...

I don't judge anyone who needs to take the pills
and I don't expect to be judged when i take the wine.
But those things are not really the answer either.
God is the answer and He can and does deliver us.


IMO
Blessings.

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Peace

Sorry, I do not agree, under grace, under New Covenant we are or even could if we truly have met with father & son in our hearts.
OT( old covenant) people could not have this, we can, but some do and most have the old covenant spirit.
Depression exist sure. Christians yes, but Jesus offers true freedom now from everything,be in spirit always.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.


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17 pray continually,


16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.




We can have Holy Spirit in us all the time..now I believe our body can be beaten, we can be put down, mocked, but inside were Holy Spirit has manifested we will always feel and have extreme joy. The body will suffer, but mind, heart and soul belong to Heavenly Father after true anointing of fire of Holy Spirit. Yes some Christians might be depressed before being filled. But all is different after Spirit is in you. Isn't this Good news?

Heavenly Father bless you.

sunlover1 said:

Perhaps,... but it was how Jesus rolled.
I never tell people their faith is not large enough.
But when people were healed, Jesus did say,
"your FAITH has made you whole".

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He never told them they didn't have enough faith.
When the man said, "if you are willing .....", he didn't give a lecture and scold the man for doubting both his power and compassion.
When a father said, "I do believe, help my unbelief", Jesus didn't ask him which was the stronger or say that he shouldn't have any unbelief at all.

Jesus asked some people what they wanted him to do for them, but not others. He commented on some people's faith, not others. Jairus' daughter and Lazarus were dead and had no faith at all, and the man at the pool of Siloam didn't even answer Jesus' question about wanting to be well.

People had faith; that faith took them to Jesus for healing, and he healed them. Though one man was only partially healed the first time. Jesus does heal today - I know, he has healed me. But it's also a fact that many Christians have faith for healing, go to Jesus, are anointed and prayed for and over, and are not immediately given the physical healing for which they ask. Then you'll find the blame is very often put onto the sufferer - i.e "not enough faith/prayer; didn't fast; unconfessed sins" etc. It's not correct to say that - at least, not unless you are the prayer minister and the Lord has specifically told you to encourage the sick person in faith, or that there is unresolved sin that needs attention.

The Lord is Sovereign, heals in his own way and time and has every right to do so. But there are people who don't like to think that God may say "wait", so it's easier to blame the sick person.

Sorry, this isn't all aimed at you and I'm sure you don't do this. But it has happened to me and to friends of mine and NEVER produces faith or brings peace. As you can probably tell, I feel quite strongly about this.

sunlover1 said:

If you're keeping yourself filled (present tense) maybe, but...
I have a spirit filled friend who's totally in love with God and spends hours
a day in prayer and meditation.
Years ago, she had this deep depression come upon her, and she could not
find her way out of it. It took a full year.
I do believe Christians can be depressed.

King David, when depressed, would speak life into His soul.
(WHY are you cast down, oh my soul...remember God and how
Good He is... etc)
He would "Encourage himself in the Lord"
Saul would have music played to him.
Allusions to sadness/depression/grief in
can be found throughout Scripture.

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Yes; and there is depression and depression.
There is the feeling of lowness, which varies in intensity, but which is the result of circumstances - after bereavement, disappointment, failure, etc. And there is type due to chemical imbalance that does not respond to "praise the Lord and count your blessings", advice. I'm not sure if this would have been recognised in Jesus' day; the sufferer was probably judged as being possessed by demons, or something. If so, I believe they would have been considered unclean and effectively ostracised - which probably didn't help.

sunlover1 said:

We are hard pressed on every side,
yet not crushed;
we are perplexed,
but not in despair;

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And yet elsewhere Paul talks of despairing even of life itself.

sunlover1 said:

God's answer seems to be to fix our eyes
and minds on Him, on what things are Good,
TRUE, trustworthy, noble etc...

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When we are feeling sorry for ourselves, slightly low or begin to let circumstances dictate our faith and emotions - yes. But I'm sure that if I told a friend of mine who does have a MH diagnosis - I think bi-polar - that she will be healed if she thinks positively; not only would she drop me as a friend pretty quickly, I'd probably be in trouble with her Minister and advised to find out about bi-polar and get my facts straight.

sunlover1 said:

God is the answer and He can and does deliver us.

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Yes, in his time and sometimes not in this life.

HCrossth2012 said:

Sorry, I do not agree, under grace, under New Covenant we are or even could if we truly have met with father & son in our hearts.
OT( old covenant) people could not have this, we can, but some do and most have the old covenant spirit.
Depression exist sure. Christians yes, but Jesus offers true freedom now from everything,be in spirit always.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.


Other place says


17 pray continually,


16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

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Jesus can certainly heal people from depression. But saying "rejoice in the Lord," or "smile, Jesus loves you" and expecting that to cure the person, is not right and probably won't work.

HCrossth2012 said:

Yes some Christians might be depressed before being filled. But all is different after Spirit is in you. Isn't this Good news?

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No because it's not true.

Your implication, or conclusion, is that if a Christian is depressed they are either not filled with the Spirit, or not enough of the Spirit, or are lacking in faith in some way; not true. Some women get post natal depression, some Christians have bi-polar, schizophrenia or some other disorder. Yes, the Holy Spirit is their Comforter and helper and yes Jesus can heal. But these disorders have one, or more, physical or mental causes - not being filled with the Holy Spirit is not one of them.

Strong in Him said:

Jesus can certainly heal people from depression. But saying "rejoice in the Lord," or "smile, Jesus loves you" and expecting that to cure the person, is not right and probably won't work.



No because it's not true.

Your implication, or conclusion, is that if a Christian is depressed they are either not filled with the Spirit, or not enough of the Spirit, or are lacking in faith in some way; not true. Some women get post natal depression, some Christians have bi-polar, schizophrenia or some other disorder. Yes, the Holy Spirit is their Comforter and helper and yes Jesus can heal. But these disorders have one, or more, physical or mental causes - not being filled with the Holy Spirit is not one of them.

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Peace


Your truth, you will be depressed and " if " Father "wants" to heal you he will.
What hope!

Like it is said you believe what you believe, I believe what is written and promised in New Covenant, New Testament.

God bless

sunlover1 said:

Amen to that.

You might want to try the spirit filled folder.
Those posters believe as you do....
(That God will heal you)

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No, you will find many there who realize God does not promise to always heal us in this life. If you want to have your ears tickled with that fantasy and not have it challenged, the place to go is the Word-Faith subforum.

sunlover1 said:

Perhaps,... but it was how Jesus rolled.
I never tell people their faith is not large enough.
But when people were healed, Jesus did say,
"your FAITH has made you whole"
And when the disciples failed, He did call them perverted.

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This is a good point, but maybe not in the way you intend it to be. He did not call the *victims* of the illness perverted, He said that of His own disciples whom He had called and empowered to preach and heal. IOW, it was the preachers of faith and healing, and the workers of wonders and miracles, that He chastened, not the victims who NEEDED the healing mercy.

Strong in Him said:

He never told them they didn't have enough faith.

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NO, you are right... well as far as I know anyhow.
He did many things that are not written.
But when He could do little because of lack of faith
it says that He "Marveled" at their unbelief.
That's all... I marvel too...

No!! It was the "disciples" that He scolded and called perverse!!

Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is a lunatic and is very ill;
for he often falls into the fire and often into the water.
"I brought him to Your disciples, and they could not cure him."
And Jesus answered and said,
"You unbelieving and perverted generation,
how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you?
Bring him here to Me."

So He called them names lol

So it seems.

Alvis said:

Let's get this back on topic...

Here is how godly women should dress:

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Where is that taught in the Bible and Koran?


We've gone over several verses in both books which teach the precise opposite.

Strong in Him said:

And yet elsewhere Paul talks of despairing even of life itself.

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I'm sure he did.
We have probably all felt that way.
I was just posting what Scripture says to DO when
we feel that way...

Originally Posted by sunlover1

Perhaps,... but it was how Jesus rolled.
I never tell people their faith is not large enough.
But when people were healed, Jesus did say,
"your FAITH has made you whole"
And when the disciples failed, He did call them perverted.

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NorrinRadd said:

This is a good point, but maybe not in the way you intend it to be. He did not call the *victims* of the illness perverted, He said that of His own disciples whom He had called and empowered to preach and heal. IOW, it was the preachers of faith and healing, and the workers of wonders and miracles, that He chastened, not the victims who NEEDED the healing mercy.

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Yes, that's how I intended it...
His disciples should have faith.
We can be encouragers for those who's
faith is weak... or when they're up against
something so big that it's hard to have
enough faith..
Amen.

NorrinRadd said:

No, you will find many there who realize God does not promise to always heal us in this life. If you want to have your ears tickled with that fantasy and not have it challenged, the place to go is the Word-Faith subforum.

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I assumed most people believed that He heals all.
If not, how the heck can you have faith?
Well, perhaps my God will show mercy on me?

.13Is anyone among you in trouble? Let them pray.
Is anyone happy? Let them sing songs of praise.
14Is anyone among you sick?
Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them
and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord.
15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well;
the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.
16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other
so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful
and effective.

Jesus is perfect theology and He never changes...
Maybe we just need to be "doers" of the word!

God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were
oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

I don't know how not to believe that He will watch over
His word and perform it.
These are the Words of the Almighty God of the universe,
in whom there is NO shadow or turning.
He never lies.
He said it and He will do it.
no?

HCrossth2012 said:

Your truth, you will be depressed and " if " Father "wants" to heal you he will.
What hope!

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Who's putting words in other people's mouths now, then? Where did I say that?

I said that Spirit filled Christians can get depressed; you are claiming that this is not possible.
Spirit filled Christians can find themselves with endoginous depression - an illness not of their making or choosing. It's also true that the Lord CAN heal from this. But it is also the case that sometimes he does not. The late, great, Spirit filled evangelist David Watson, who wrote many books, led others to Christ, preached and led services of worship, suffered from depression; Christian friend of mine had it so badly that they considered electric shock treatment. A preacher in my former church - a brilliant, kind, intelligent, Spirit filled man - had bi-polar which needed medicatiion. I can tell you that none of these would have thanked you if you'd said to them, "someone filled with the Spirit can't be depressed, just rejoice in the Lord a little more." Such a glib response is insulting when you have been filled with the Spirit and have prayed for healing.

The Lord can heal, and does - I am not saying that these are the norm, or that God will never heal, or that it's pointless praying etc etc. I offer these examples to disprove your general statement that if a Christian has the Holy Spirit they cannot be depressed.
It is also a fact that some people pray for physical healing and don't immediately receive it. Maybe, because you read only the Bible and scorn Christian testimony, you genuinely didn't realise that. But it happens, and causes much discussion, hurt and accusations form Christians who are well, never been ill and feel that the Lord should always adhere to their paricular doctrine. If you are/were in ministry, you'd meet people like this and need to know how to deal with, and answer them, compassionately - not just by saying "receive more of the Holy Spirit".

God wants everyone to be whole; he sometimes heals immediately and sometimes over time. But none of us will be completely whole until we die, and sometimes a physical illness is not healed in this life.

Alvis said:

Let's get this back on topic...

Here is how godly women should dress:

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I appreciate your intention, and maybe this thread will get closed for being off topic. But it seems that PreachtheTruth couldn't handle the request to provide the Scripture which forbids wearing bikinis and has left the debate.

This new topic is just as frustrating, but no where near as pointless.

Strong in Him said:

Who's putting words in other people's mouths now, then? Where did I say that?

I said that Spirit filled Christians can get depressed; you are claiming that this is not possible.
Spirit filled Christians can find themselves with endoginous depression - an illness not of their making or choosing. It's also true that the Lord CAN heal from this. But it is also the case that sometimes he does not. The late, great, Spirit filled evangelist David Watson, who wrote many books, led others to Christ, preached and led services of worship, suffered from depression; Christian friend of mine had it so badly that they considered electric shock treatment. A preacher in my former church - a brilliant, kind, intelligent, Spirit filled man - had bi-polar which needed medicatiion. I can tell you that none of these would have thanked you if you'd said to them, "someone filled with the Spirit can't be depressed, just rejoice in the Lord a little more." Such a glib response is insulting when you have been filled with the Spirit and have prayed for healing.

The Lord can heal, and does - I am not saying that these are the norm, or that God will never heal, or that it's pointless praying etc etc. I offer these examples to disprove your general statement that if a Christian has the Holy Spirit they cannot be depressed.
It is also a fact that some people pray for physical healing and don't immediately receive it. Maybe, because you read only the Bible and scorn Christian testimony, you genuinely didn't realise that. But it happens, and causes much discussion, hurt and accusations form Christians who are well, never been ill and feel that the Lord should always adhere to their paricular doctrine. If you are/were in ministry, you'd meet people like this and need to know how to deal with, and answer them, compassionately - not just by saying "receive more of the Holy Spirit".

God wants everyone to be whole; he sometimes heals immediately and sometimes over time. But none of us will be completely whole until we die, and sometimes a physical illness is not healed in this life.

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Amen, I was Spirit filled and still depressed and on medication for 2 years. But thank God He healed me and I didn't need the medication anymore then.

HCrossth2012 said:

Peace


Your truth, you will be depressed and " if " Father "wants" to heal you he will.
What hope!

Like it is said you believe what you believe, I believe what is written and promised in New Covenant, New Testament.

God bless

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Yes, those with afflictions DO hope they are healed. But you're walking around saying that if they aren't, then it's because they didn't have enough faith.

Do you understand the harm that does? And it is certainly NOT what God teaches us. He tells us we will STRUGGLE because we are Christians. Our lives will NOT be easy because we have faith. So...try out your logic in the face of the scriptures that teach us this. Your logic then fails.

Your beliefs do great harm. I wish you could see that. I wish you could see the look on my 17 year old's face when someone issues a stupid statement that they could be healed if only they believed enough.

PreachersWife2004 said:

Yes, those with afflictions DO hope they are healed. But you're walking around saying that if they aren't, then it's because they didn't have enough faith.

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According to your faith...

She probably got that from reading the Bible:

When He entered the house, the blind men came up to Him,
and Jesus said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?"
They said to Him, "Yes, Lord."
29Then He touched their eyes, saying,
"It shall be done to you according to your faith."
30And their eyes were opened.

sunlover1 said:

According to your faith...

She probably got that from reading the Bible:

When He entered the house, the blind men came up to Him,
and Jesus said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?"
They said to Him, "Yes, Lord."
29Then He touched their eyes, saying,
"It shall be done to you according to your faith."
30And their eyes were opened.

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This is not Jesus telling someone their faith wasn't strong enough.

I believe firmly that God would let me have one more child in my lifetime. I KNOW He could do this. And yet, He doesn't. Is it because I don't believe enough, or is it maybe more because His will is different than mine?

Again, do you understand the harm in the statement "you don't have enough faith"? If you don't, you can be honest and say so. And then I will re-explain why it is so harmful to those who struggle in their lives.

PreachersWife2004 said:

This is not Jesus telling someone their faith wasn't strong enough.

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This was Jesus telling them that their healing was according to their faith.
I've posted all of the Scriptures showing the power of faith,
and how He could do little where they were unbelif.
How He "marveled" at their unbelief.

I believe firmly that God would let me have one more child in my lifetime. I KNOW He could do this. And yet, He doesn't. Is it because I don't believe enough, or is it maybe more because His will is different than mine?

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I was talking about healing.
He's already promised us healing,
not babies, although He did say,
that "whatever you believe, IF IT IS
according to HIS will, He will do it"
I have no idea what His will is concerning
your family size, I only know that it's His
will to heal all who come to Him.

Again, do you understand the harm in the statement "you don't have enough faith"?

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Again, I never tell anyone that they don't have enough faith.
I do understand how many die for lack of knowledge.
I'll never stop teaching healing and faith,
I have prayed for far too many in my life and watched
Him do just that.
But there IS a time for each to die and be present with the
Lord too. And there are many many things that 'resist"
healing,, including lack of faith.
Without faith, no healing

MAYBE God will heal= lack of faith.


IMO

Strong in Him said:

I appreciate your intention, and maybe this thread will get closed for being off topic. But it seems that PreachtheTruth couldn't handle the request to provide the Scripture which forbids wearing bikinis and has left the debate.

This new topic is just as frustrating, but no where near as pointless.

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Scriptures does discourage wearing revealing attires in public.

I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 1 Timothy 2:9-10

Lion King said:

Scriptures does discourage wearing revealing attires in public.

I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 1 Timothy 2:9-10

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Granted, and it's not my desire to promote risque dressing in public.
But the original complaint was about bikinis which were described as wicked. Bikinis are worn on the beach, were designed for that purpose, and so it is entirely appropriate to wear them there.
If they were worn in church for services of worship, weddings or funerals, popping to the shops or working a shift on a ward, they would be entirely inappropriate. (Unless the church service was on the beach.) Paul was writing about propriety in worship.