Was the Sentence Just?

cow451 · Aug 29, 2013

The student later committed suicide.

A Yellowstone County district judge Monday ordered a former Senior High teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old female student who later committed suicide to spend 30 days in jail.
Judge G. Todd Baugh sentenced Stacey Dean Rambold to 15 years in prison, with all but 31 days suspended, for sexual intercourse without consent.
Rambold, 54, will be given credit for one day already served.

Paulos23 · Aug 29, 2013

Way to lenient. The man should have gotten years for the rape alone.

Douger · Aug 29, 2013

I just don't understand this at all. It seems like this very strange and lenient sentence may have a lot to do with the bargain that Rambold had previously made with prosecutors.

keith99 · Aug 29, 2013

Seems a bit lenient to me.

It would be exceptionally lenient it were rape by the normal definition. There is nothing I have seen to indicate any force or intimidation was involved. In short only sex with an underaged girl.

The claim has been made that the girl was mature for her age, if that really meant emotionally mature not just 'well developed' it could make a difference.

Other details matter also. That 15 year suspended sentence plays out a lot differently depending on conditions involved. Suspended never means it is just gone. So the question is what would trigger it and does it ever go away?

In the area of justice (as opposed just law) I'd want to know the circumstances of her suicide. If it was a result of him dumping her it comes off rather differently than if it was a result of her still loving him and hating herself because of what the system was doing to him, or even worse it was a result of the same people who are calling for his head also treating her like dirt.

EDIT: Forgot one rather important issue. If she was in his class it changes everything. That adds an element of undue influence and positional power, even if he made no effort to use it, that makes the sentence far too lenient, even if she had been 18. I think many are assuming such, it may be the case. But I have not seen it said explicitly so far.

cow451 · Aug 29, 2013

keith99 said:
Seems a bit lenient to me.

It would be exceptionally lenient it were rape by the normal definition. There is nothing I have seen to indicate any force or intimidation was involved. In short only sex with an underaged girl.

The claim has been made that the girl was mature for her age, if that really meant emotionally mature not just 'well developed' it could make a difference.

Other details matter also. That 15 year suspended sentence plays out a lot differently depending on conditions involved. Suspended never means it is just gone. So the question is what would trigger it and does it ever go away?

In the area of justice (as opposed just law) I'd want to know the circumstances of her suicide. If it was a result of him dumping her it comes off rather differently than if it was a result of her still loving him and hating herself because of what the system was doing to him, or even worse it was a result of the same people who are calling for his head also treating her like dirt.

EDIT: Forgot one rather important issue. If she was in his class it changes everything. That adds an element of undue influence and positional power, even if he made no effort to use it, that makes the sentence far too lenient, even if she had been 18. I think many are assuming such, it may be the case. But I have not seen it said explicitly so far.

Under state law, children younger than 16 cannot consent to sexual intercourse, which makes Rambolds crime felony rape.
However, when issuing the sentence Baugh said Moralez not only had equal control of the rape, but was also a troubled youth older than her chronological age.

He was a teacher at her school, so the authority figure issues does matter.

So, if you are going to groom and rape someone, pick a "troubled youth". So kids with problems get to be victimized. :doh:

keith99 · Aug 29, 2013

cow451 said:
Under state law, children younger than 16 cannot consent to sexual intercourse, which makes Rambolds crime felony rape.

However, when issuing the sentence Baugh said Moralez not only had equal control of the rape, but was also a troubled youth older than her chronological age.

He was a teacher at her school, so the authority figure issues does matter.

So, if you are going to groom and rape someone, pick a "troubled youth". So kids with problems get to be victimized.

Had not seen the troubled youth part before. That makes the Judges decision disgusting. It borders on "she was a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] so it doesn't matter". I was thinking of 'mature' in an entirely different direction, actually grown up, more able to make mature rational decisions than most her age. Judging by subsequent events it is looking more like she was a vulnerable and previously exploited kid.

BTW whenever I try one of your links I end up at the same page which has only one readable line and a bunch of grey where one would expect any real details.

cow451 · Aug 29, 2013

keith99 said:
BTW whenever I try one of your links I end up at the same page which has only one readable line and a bunch of grey where one would expect any real details.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......... all or just these?

keith99 · Aug 29, 2013

cow451 said:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......... all or just these?

Just the ones for this thread.

EDIT: I see the problem they want you to answer a survey first.

After doing so I get in, not an overly intrusive or long one. Just 2 questions.

Hetta · Aug 29, 2013

cow451 said:
He was a teacher at her school, so the authority figure issues does matter.
So, if you are going to groom and rape someone, pick a "troubled youth". So kids with problems get to be victimized.

Such a shame. :SMH:

There have been a torrent of these occasions where teachers claim that they did not start the relationship until the girl was of legal age. This completely ignores the grooming that must have begun before she was of legal age. Nobody turns 18 and BAM!! suddenly they are in love with 'teach' and having sex. Ugh. These guys (and any women doing the same thing) should be never allowed near kids ever again.

RDGSr · Aug 29, 2013

Never allowed near kids again...they are "teachers" who belong to unions.

Hetta · Aug 29, 2013

RDGSr said:
Never allowed near kids again...they are "teachers" who belong to unions.

Not once they have been found guilty of raping children. People on a sex offender register don't get their job back teaching kids.

cow451 · Aug 29, 2013

Hetta said:
Not once they have been found guilty of raping children. People on a sex offender register don't get their job back teaching kids.

Being in a union like the teachers are is not protection against the state's licensing board.

cow451 · Aug 29, 2013

keith99 said:
Just the ones for this thread.

EDIT: I see the problem they want you to answer a survey first.

After doing so I get in, not an overly intrusive or long one. Just 2 questions.

Just don't give them any money.

keith99 · Aug 29, 2013

cow451 said:
Just don't give them any money.

Probably spot on thinking about it. Those 2 couldhave been the lead in for marketing advertising.

No worries for us out of state folks.

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