Evey knee shall bow....Why?
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If it isn't a spirit (to include Satan the most evil spirit) it isn't a human source, what could you possibly be talking about that is leading folk astray?
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oi_antz
Opposed to Untruth.
I am aware of Satan so I did have him in mind. I am also aware of other fallen angels who might contribute to the confusion. It strikes me that there is a possibility of et activity that may cause people to distrust God, and there may well be other spirits that are not human, that I have never been made aware of. So I am just using terminology that provides for these scenario's that would have otherwise proven that my belief was narrow minded and therefore not true. What do you think? Is it true that some of our beliefs aren't endowed by our fellow humankind?
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aiki
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Well, so long as you aren't looking to just argue then I'd be willing to keep talking with you. My job isn't to convert anybody. That's God's job. I'm just here to answer for the faith as best I can.
"They?" Science isn't a "they." It's as I said, a method. And a method has no belief or prejudice. Those who use the method - scientists - do have beliefs and prejudices. They are the ones who don't believe God exists. Science itself, however, has no intrinsic anti-theism.
This is rather circular in its reasoning. Essentially, you're saying that scientists don't believe in God because they don't believe in God.
What I'm trying to tell you is that most secular scientists, for reasons that having nothing to do with science, reject the idea of God as impossible before they begin their scientific inquiries. It is no surprise, then, that whatever science uncovers they interpret to confirm their anti-God prejudice. People like to think that science is coldly unbiased and designed to prevent corruption by prejudice. But this just isn't so. Scientists, the ones who do science, are full of biases and prejudices of all sorts. And their prejudices inevitably color how they interpret what the scientific method reveals.
You appear to be confusing scientists with the scientific method. They aren't the same thing. A method can have no philosophical perspective. A method is merely a tool, like a hammer. Can a hammer be a naturalist? Can it believe in materialism? Obviously not. Nor can the scientific method.
Well, ask yourself how that standard was arrived at? How do any of us know that what we are perceiving as reality actually is reality? The truth is no one can say for sure that we aren't all living in a complex illusion ala The Matrix. We all just assume - without any way to prove it - that what we call reality truly is reality. But this requires an act of blind faith, a willingness to believe something is true without being able to prove it. You see, then, that even science is not without its own need of faith.
Selah.
"They?" Science isn't a "they." It's as I said, a method. And a method has no belief or prejudice. Those who use the method - scientists - do have beliefs and prejudices. They are the ones who don't believe God exists. Science itself, however, has no intrinsic anti-theism.
This is rather circular in its reasoning. Essentially, you're saying that scientists don't believe in God because they don't believe in God.
What I'm trying to tell you is that most secular scientists, for reasons that having nothing to do with science, reject the idea of God as impossible before they begin their scientific inquiries. It is no surprise, then, that whatever science uncovers they interpret to confirm their anti-God prejudice. People like to think that science is coldly unbiased and designed to prevent corruption by prejudice. But this just isn't so. Scientists, the ones who do science, are full of biases and prejudices of all sorts. And their prejudices inevitably color how they interpret what the scientific method reveals.
You appear to be confusing scientists with the scientific method. They aren't the same thing. A method can have no philosophical perspective. A method is merely a tool, like a hammer. Can a hammer be a naturalist? Can it believe in materialism? Obviously not. Nor can the scientific method.
Well, ask yourself how that standard was arrived at? How do any of us know that what we are perceiving as reality actually is reality? The truth is no one can say for sure that we aren't all living in a complex illusion ala The Matrix. We all just assume - without any way to prove it - that what we call reality truly is reality. But this requires an act of blind faith, a willingness to believe something is true without being able to prove it. You see, then, that even science is not without its own need of faith.
Selah.
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Personally I see no reason to make such an asumption. Until I see evidence that leads me in that direction; I will assume not.
Ken
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Great! glad to have you back my friend!
I agree!
I think science is about that which can be studied and physically analyzed. When you bring up the spiritual world which by definition is not physical and cannot be analyzed, or proven to exist, they have no use for it because it isnt a part of their study. That's a different study; religious study.
I believe you are right that there are some scientists who take issue with some religions. This is probably because they see some religious people trying to impose religious/spiritual beliefs that cannot be analyzed, as science. When spiritual people attempt to have spiritual beliefs such as creationism or intelligent design taught as an alternative to science in schools; (beliefs that the US Supreme Court determined was not science; not because of prejustice but because they were unable to provide a working model) They see those religions as a threat to their field of study; Sorta the same way many historians would see groups of "holocaust deniers" as a threat if they were constantly going to the Supreme Court trying to have their point of view that the holocaust never happened; taught in school as an alternative to real history, or..... Christians would probably see science as a threat if scientist were trying to get into Sunday school at church to teach evolution to children in church as an alternative to what is written in the bible.
A hammer is a physical tool that can only be used in a naturalist or materialistic manner. A hammer has no use in the Spiritual world. I believe the same for science.
By mankind the ones who make up the rules
We have no reason to assume otherwise
We have every right to say for sure until evidence leads us to believe otherwise.
The fact that everyone experiences the same reality is proof enough for most of us myself included
But humans are the ones who make up the rules and decide if something is real or not; so how can they be wrong? By whose standard could they possible be wrong?
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It means precisely what it says.
It means the Glory of God will be recognised by all, believers and non-believers.
It means that Jesus is King of Kings. The cause will be His return in full glory.
He is doing the work right now, so that we will bow out of love and not obligation. If we have to bow out of obligation, it will not change the fact that we are His enemies. He is waiting, to demonstrate His mercy and grace.
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So why doesn't God introduce us to his "full glory" now so non-believers can become believers before it is too late?It means precisely what it says.
It means the Glory of God will be recognised by all, believers and non-believers.
It means that Jesus is King of Kings. The cause will be His return in full glory.
He is doing the work right now, so that we will bow out of love and not obligation. If we have to bow out of obligation, it will not change the fact that we are His enemies. He is waiting, to demonstrate His mercy and grace.
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I’m not quite sure I understand you correctly. When you say the incarnation of Christ, are you suggesting the biblical claims of Jesus as misinformation caused by ET (extra terrestrial) activity, fallen Angeles, and other spirits that are not human? Or am I misunderstanding you
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I think there is great appeal to become a religious leader when you consider the power, respect, and admiration that comes with being one. (at least in the USA) Whether or not a person believes he is; or simply says he is in order to get the power respect and admiration; are two different issues
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He's doing it right now...think about what I just said brother.
The "full glory" of God is revealed in the testimony of the Life, Death and Resurrection of Jesus. ...if you're hearing it from me, you're hearing it from Him. This is the way he's choosing to make us believers. Look up John 3:16 in the Bible. Nothing is too late for God.
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I don't even know you! How do I know you are telling the truth? You have no more credibility with me than any other stranger. Also, if the "full glory" of God is what causes every knee to bow as you said earlier, a testamonial from a stranger isn't enough of a "full Glory" to cause anyone to bow otherwise they would be doing it already; don't cha think? So why will every knee bow?He's doing it right now...think about what I just said brother.
...if you're hearing it from me, you're hearing it from Him.
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every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is lord! And they will.
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So what circumstances do you suspect will be in place that would cause everyone to bow? Do you think maybe God will provide physical proof of his existence?
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