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Yes it certainly is. I often use Jeremiah so they can't say it is Paul's doing.
It is repeated in Chapt 8 of the book of Hebrews
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The books of Hebrews and Revelation prove the unchangeableness of God's Holy Law. (2)
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I often wonder if Paul was alive today would they themselves be taking up stones against him too.
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the law is our tutor, to show us our need for a Savior.
Jesus fulfilled the law because he was perfect in every respect. He could ask the Pharisees who accused him of sin, knowing full well they could not.
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What I actually do say never is involving salvation in what any of us do according to the law. As I say it is only in Christ. The law would have us carrying out death sentences. Although those who would be put to death would be worthy of it, except for the animals who were sacrificed, because of guilty humanity, Christianity is about being gracious with others as Yahweh is gracious with us, in Christ. But this is for us to be freed from sin, it should not continue, and rather than speaking of the law, I say that sin that should not continue is what it is determined to be from Yahweh's commandments, even in what Christ taught. The grass withers and the flower fades, the word of Yahweh is forever.
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Jesus had no great love for those guys{
Matthew 23:
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat.
3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe,[a] that observe and do,
but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on mens shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS VS THE PHARISEES
While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage.
Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
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You speak in riddles. Jesus kept the Law of God perfectly, He never sinned. His example of keeping ALL Ten Commandments perfectly is an example for us to follow. While the majority of posters on this forum, want to discard the very Commandments that Jesus kept! People who are not born again will continue to break God's Law, since they are not filled with the Holy Spirit, and are powerless to overcome the grip of the carnal nature that we are all born with. The true Gospel of Jesus entails the power to overcome sin, while the false Gospel says that you are saved and don't need to be obedient to the Holy Law of God, while Satan exalts in his masterpiece of deception.
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Actually, I wasn't speaking in a riddle. I was quoting scripture. Look in Galatians 3:24. It says that the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ. That is what I was referring to.
You are correct in saying that he never sinned. He was and is the stainless Lamb of God. You are also correct in saying that those who are lost are powerless to overcome sin. The flesh is hostile to God and cannot please God. We only please him when we walk in the Spirit and not the flesh. But, this war continues in the souls of man all his life and our victory is never complete this side of heaven. If you think you are perfect you should read 1 John 1:8 that says we are deceiving ourselves. the issue is not whether or not your sinless, but whether or not you confess your sins and ask for forgiveness.
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OK so you've got toothless and worthless law. To me that adds up to zero. The German word is null or something close. Its been awhile - say 40 years.
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What commandments did Jesus keep? Which ones did Jesus tell us to keep?
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"...Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons..." Acts 10:34
...therefore, in answer to both questions...
Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? Matthew 22:36
The Greatest Commandment...
[Context] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. Mark 12:30
[Taken from] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Deuteronomy 6:5
[Context] The Ten Commandments given again in Deuteronomy 5 [see also Deuteronomy 6:1-2, etc].
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: Deuteronomy 6:6
...and the second [great] is like unto it...
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Leviticus 19:17
[Context] Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD. Leviticus 19:18
And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12:31
...now notice...
And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question]. Mark 12:34
...notice again...
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 10:25
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Luke 10:26
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Luke 10:27
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. Luke 10:28
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I hear you've been challenged to name anyone who has achieved this. Have you done it yet?
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What is the contradiction?, could you please clarify and be specific?Yeah even the are contradictory. Surely John must be lying in chapter 10.
Are you saying that Jesus did not keep Love to God and Neighbour, or that He did not ask us to do the same, in which the references were cited from the OT texts Deuteronomy 6:5, and Leviticus 19:17-18 [which are in the context of the Ten Commandments, the first Table being Love to God, the second Table love to Neighbour], or are you saying something else?
Also, could you be more specific in the text you are referring to in John 10, though I think you are referring to another chapter of John.
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Yes brother progmonk, we, as Seventh Day Adventists follow it from its beginning...
Multifacet Question, in regards to this passage, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: ..." [Hebrews 4:2], who is the "them" that the same "Gospel" ["as well as"] was "preached" unto and by whom was it preached and when and how?
...but moving back to the point, as seen that Paul is drawing from numerous OT texts to show that in Christ Jesus we may have rest from "sin" [which is transgression of His Law, the Ten Commandments]. To continue in sin, is to transgress any one of the Ten Commandments and is not to have rest, but to have bondage. It is a remaining in slavery/bondage in Egypt, rather than freedom in the promised land of Canaan. In Egypt, they were not allowed to rest [Sabbath, the 7th Day], as by Pharoah's and the Scriptures own words [Exodus 5,15,16,20 etc].
One such text we have here:
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Hebrews 4:4
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Genesis 2:1
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Genesis 2:2
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:3
For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11
It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. Exodus 31:17
How did God rest?, What were His works?
Hebrews 4:5 speaks of God's rest, even as it is written, "...my rest." It is this rest we are to enter into.
And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest. Hebrews 4:5
Paul picks up Psalms 95, speaking of Israel [the peoples] experience in the wilderness, wherein they failed because of lack of faith in the Gospel preached unto them ["...they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:" Hebrews 4:6] that God would deliver then, bring them into the goodly land and cause them to keep the commandments of God, including the fourth, the 7th Day Sabbath, and because of failure to believe this promise of God [which is the New/Everlasting Covenant, even righteousness by faith], that whole adult generation [except two, Joshua [type of Christ] and Caleb [faithful remnant]] perished in the wilderness, even as it is written in Ezekiel 20:12,13,16,20,21,24... "...cause them to know the abominations of their fathers:" [Ezekiel 20:4] and "In the day [that] I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which [is] the glory of all lands:" [Ezekiel 20:6] and "...But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me:..." [Ezekiel 20:8] and "But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness..." [Ezekiel 20:13], and so in what ways did Israel rebel? What was one of the primary reasons listed over and over again in Ezekiel 20? Again, "Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me..." [Ezekiel 20:21], but how so, what is specifically listed in the very same verse?
Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 20:36
Psalms 95 itself is a 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God Psalm, speaking of both the Creator [God rested the 7th Day] and Saviour [Jesus rested the 7th Day], notice its language:
O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. Psalms 95:1
Who is that Rock, and where was it? It was in the wilderness with them, and that Rock was Christ ["And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4]. Notice that word "salvation" in the first verse, and we see parallels to it in Exodus 20:2.
Now please notice the Creator part of the Psalms 95, which hearken right back unto Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:17, etc
"For the LORD [is] a great God, and a great King above all gods." [Psalms 95:3]
"In his hand [are] the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills [is] his also." [Psalms 95:4]
"The sea [is] his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry [land]." [Psalms 95:5]
"O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker." [Psalms 95:6]
This langauge is speaking of the very same things we find in Exodus 20:11, wherein it is written:
For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11
And again in Revelation 14:7, amidst the Everlasting Gospel [Revelation 14:6], "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." [Revelation 14:7], again see the same in "And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:" [Revelation 10:6], which is directly quoting from Nehemiah: "Thou, [even] thou, [art] LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all [things] that [are] therein, the seas, and all that [is] therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee." [Nehemiah 9:6], and both Peter and Paul, call every man, Jew/Gentile back unto God in repentance, to the Creator God of the Sabbath, the 7th Day, in Acts 4:24 and Acts 14:15 [both passages which are directly citing Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:11, etc].
For Psalms 95 continues, for why Israel did not enter...
"For he [is] our God; and we [are] the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice," [Psalms 95:7]
"Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, [and] as [in] the day of temptation in the wilderness:" [Psalms 95:8]
"When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work." [Psalms 95:9]
"Forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:" [Psalms 95:10]
"Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest." [Psalms 95:11]
... for 40 long years God was grieved with that generation, and as we have seen in Ezekiel 20:12,13,16,20,21,24, we have seen why.
In Numbers we even see a specific example of what Ezekiel mentions:
"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day." [Numbers 15:32]
What was the judgment? By example, ensample, the wages for sin was?
"Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity [shall be] upon him." [Numbers 15:31]
Again, as it is written in Nehemiah:
"But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their necks, and hearkened not to thy commandments," [Nehemiah 9:16]
"And refused to obey, neither were mindful of thy wonders that thou didst among them; but hardened their necks, and in their rebellion..." [Nehemiah 9:17]
...and even when the children entered in, they did not continue...
"Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs, and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee, and they wrought great provocations." [Nehemiah 9:26], and Nehemiah continues in the judgments and respites of Israel. Never truly having rest. They too had the 7th Day, knowing of it, but never really entering into it, and so it did not profit them, because they lacked faith.
Hebrews 4:8 speaking of Joshua [KJV Jesus, but speaking of the Oshea, the Son of Nun] was to lead them into the promised lang [Canaan], which was the type to Heaven. But they did not truly obtain the rest, seeing how they lacked faith in God to accomplish in them what was promised. Therefore the rest of God remains [the same rest, which they could have entered], we may also enter through the same Gospel, the Same Christ, and the same Day [the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God]. For notice, Joshua did not speak of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [sabbatismos, literal true sabbath-keeping] to the people of God. Hebrews 4:9
"For he that is entered into his [God's] rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his." Hebrews 4:10
How did God rest? and from what works?
Notice, that it still doesn't even end there:
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." [Hebrews 4:11], which Hebrews 3, Ezekiel 20, Nehemiah 9, Numbers 15, all show why they failed when they had the same Gospel, the same Rock, the same Law [Ten Commandments] and the same 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God, and the same Saviour and the same Creator, all with the same chance to believe by Biblical faith [that faith which works, bears fruit, etc].
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I marvel at you folks. Of course Jesus isn't going to say hate your neighbors. God doesn't promote evil. Just because something appears in the Old Testament and the law doesn't mean one is teaching the law upon mentioning something found there in.
The 4th commandment is found in the law but one never finds Jesus teaching anyone about keeping the 4th. I didn't say Jesus didn't dialogue about it. Jesus did mention how some kept it after they brought up the issue. I don't see where Jesus ever brings up the 4th commandment in any conversation He had. Might've missed it.
Sure you advocate admission to heaven by the keeping of the law. Jesus said He is the Door and no one (man) comes to the Father (enters heaven) except through Me (Jesus). The subject seems to be approach more than once in chapter 10.
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Brother,
Jesus constantly taught about the 4th Commandment, in its proper keeping, disavowing any hold of tradition of the elders/pharisees upon it, and restored it [loosed it from the man-made restrictions/burdens] to its proper relationship to God [the Father] and Himself, even in the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:1-12, 15:20, 24:20; Mark 1:21, 2:27-28, 6:2, 7:6-9, 16:1; Luke 4:16,31, 6:5-6, 13:10,15-16, 14:1, 23:56; John 5:9, 9:14
...which JESUS lived (John 5:1-17),
...preached/taught (Matthew 12:11; Mark 1:21, 6:2),
...sanctified (Luke 4:16),
...defended (Matthew 12:3-8; Mark 2:25-28; Luke 13:16, 14:3-5)
...and commanded HIS Rest (Matthew 12:12) to those who would follow after HIM, also healing those who were slaves of sin and suffering upon HIS Rest (John 5:9, 7:23, 9:14).
...Even in death, HE would break no Commandment, remained 'Resting' upon HIS Holy Day (Matthew 27:60,62; Luke 23:54) in the tomb.
[04] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day [JESUS created it, see John 1:1-3]. [Matthew 12:8]
How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful [Law Fulfilling] to do well [morally excellent] on [during] the sabbath days [The 7th day. Pharisees bogged it down, JESUS clarifies, unties it from legalism, not abolishes]. [Matthew 12:12]
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [evident proof of future continuance of keeping Sabbath by followers of CHRIST JESUS] [Matthew 24:20]
And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught. [Mark 1:21]
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man ["man" - "anthropos" = "mankind, humankind, all from Adam"; made to be a blessing and a rest time with GOD], and not man for the sabbath [not to be a burden as the Pharisees had made it into, a chore]: [Mark 2:27]
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [the true LORD's Day]. [Mark 2:28]
And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. [Mark 3:4]
And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing [him] were astonished, saying, From whence hath this [man] these things? and what wisdom [is] this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? [Mark 6:2]
And when the sabbath was past [continuance of keeping the 7th Day Sabbath by the disciples], Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. [Mark 16:1]
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was [CHRIST JESUS was without sin, without transgression], he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read [compare Acts 17:2]. [Luke 4:16]
And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days. [Luke 4:31]
And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. [Luke 6:5]
And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered. [Luke 6:6]
And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath. [Luke 13:10]
The Lord then answered him, and said, [Thou] hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or [his] ass from the stall, and lead [him] away to watering? [Luke 13:15]
And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day? [Luke 13:16]
And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him. [Luke 14:1]
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment ["rested according to the 4th Commandment"]. [Luke 23:56]
And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. [John 5:9]
And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. [John 9:14]
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day [Lord's Day is not Sunday - the first day, but rather the LORD's Day is The 7th Day, see Isaiah 58:13: “MY HOLY DAY”, Matthew 12:8: “Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath”, Genesis 2:2-3: “GOD Rested, Blessed and Sanctified”, Exodus 20:10: “The Seventh Day...The Sabbath of the LORD”, Leviticus 23:3: “it [is] the Sabbath of the LORD”, Leviticus 23:38: “(keep “your” sabbaths (temporary yearly types added at Sinai which pointed forward, ending at the Cross, etc) and feasts) BESIDES (noting distinction, also, in addition to) “the Sabbaths of the LORD””, an example of Christians keeping the LORD's Sabbath after JESUS death, see Luke 23:56: “rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment” and see all of the passages in the Book Of Acts written by Luke], and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [Revelation 1:10]
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: [Revelation 10:6] [quoting Nehemiah 9:6, this is Christ Jesus holding the little book and speaking, more detail later if necessary on this]
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [A clear reference to the Creator of the Creation and its Memorial, the Sabbath, See Exodus 20:11]. [Revelation 14:7]
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Flooding the thread with excesses of text just gets very few people interested in reading ANY of it at all IMO.
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