Muslim militias Burn and attack Churches in Egypt
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And this is the typical persecution that military controlled governments operate.
First, go after the troublemakers, giving people a false hope for security. Then, go after intellectuals and those not politically connected with the military, and label them as the same as the troublemakers in this case, label them as members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
It's why the military must always be under the control of civilians.
Welcome back to an oppressive military dictatorship Egypt.
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You are re-posting Lies ... these news are fake at all . ... Don't interfere in the Egyptian situation , it is not your business what is happening here. Our Army is honest army , not like barbarian coward american army who kill innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan .. Are you angry because our honest army chasing your MB ally !!! so funny ... Thanks to our Army who kicked america from here .. Egyptian will chase the American arrogance everywhere . your idiot government will make you fall in other losing war . Be away from Egypt with your politics and your Islamic gangs
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The US will not interfere in this latest episode in Egypt's continuing civil war. If we make a cold practical assessment, we would understand this as an Egyptian civil war with atrocities on both sides (which will only escalate). We prefer the dictators to the Islamists. We always have. Unfortunately, the Arab Spring confused the world with its promise of democracy. There is no democracy in the Arab Middle East, and we really shouldn't want any.
The US is killing Islamist (Al Qaida) leaders all over the world with our drones (most recently in Yemen). We are trying very hard to withdraw from influence in individual countries except for Jordan, Palestine and Israel. Otherwise, we will continue to support the dictators and the sheiks, until the real democratic revolutions come (not for many years).
The US is killing Islamist (Al Qaida) leaders all over the world with our drones (most recently in Yemen). We are trying very hard to withdraw from influence in individual countries except for Jordan, Palestine and Israel. Otherwise, we will continue to support the dictators and the sheiks, until the real democratic revolutions come (not for many years).
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Considering how long the Christian churches have been extant in this region, these horrible reports certainly do vacate any claims that Islam is a religion of peace and that the only time violence is authorized in the Koran is in self defense. This is horrible!
I wanted to travel to the holy land. It's been a dream for years. And then on to Egypt. Now, that doesn't seem like it's ever going to be possible.
And I wonder if a non-Muslim has any chance, if I could visit Israel and Palestine, of entering the Dome of the Rock? It is one of the most stand out feature on the landscape of the ME.
These poor people!
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Sadly, we probably should. What we had a couple of months ago was a democratically elected dictatorship or oligarchy. The concept that we favor is liberal democracy not democracy in which the elected persecute the losers.
Christians and most citizens are probably better off under Mubarak and the current dictatorship that under a dictatorship of the MB. Elections are a diversion. Most dictators are elected.
Christians and most citizens are probably better off under Mubarak and the current dictatorship that under a dictatorship of the MB. Elections are a diversion. Most dictators are elected.
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Why US believe that democracy is the only reference for good role . Islamist use the democracy as ladder to reach their goals then pull up the ladder. the last year was a miserable year during the MB role .
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The problem is, we don't know that. The Morsi government was only in office a short time. Would they have moved toward an Iranian type theocratic government ? Don't know, it didn't appear so, and Morsi himself condemned the radical Islamic attacks on Christians. The military didn't cooperate much with him, so how much could he do is unknown. Also, Muslims tried to defend Christian churches last Easter, but they themselves were attacked by the radicals.
With the military coup, it merely fans the flames of radical rhetoric that Islam is under attack by non-Muslims. Christian Churches burning, could even be done by the military itself, in order to get support from the rest of the world. It's a nasty part of the world and people are not above doing evil, if it serves their cause.
In all, I hope Obama does the right thing by going to the UN on the issue in Syria and not act alone.
He should call for a vote from the UN Security Council on whether to use military strikes against Al Assad for using chemical weapons. If Russia once again votes down the military option, fine, stay out of it. Blame Russia for the consequences.
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copticorthodoxy;
Prove it.
Oh, believe me, we don't want to.
Rubbish. All armies kill innocent people in wars. It's why war is evil. Your own army maybe the one's burning your churches in order to garner support for their coup. Who know s but trusting the military who took down a democratically elected government, is a bad option.
With this rhetoric and false accusation, you're a nasty person who shouldn't even be allowed in this forum.
Be warned, one more personal attack against me, or radical attacks against my country, you'll be reported.
Remember that this forum you have free speech in, is in America and run by Americans.
Jim
Prove it.
Oh, believe me, we don't want to.
Rubbish. All armies kill innocent people in wars. It's why war is evil. Your own army maybe the one's burning your churches in order to garner support for their coup. Who know s but trusting the military who took down a democratically elected government, is a bad option.
With this rhetoric and false accusation, you're a nasty person who shouldn't even be allowed in this forum.
Be warned, one more personal attack against me, or radical attacks against my country, you'll be reported.
Remember that this forum you have free speech in, is in America and run by Americans.
Jim
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You say Morsi condemned radical attacks on christians ?!! That's not true at all. Morsi appeared in official occasions with radical islamic leaders who are guilty by court in killing President Sadat 1981. Please stop telling things you don't know at all -
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Prove it ... you are the one who should prove the false claims , If you understand arabic , i will send you hundreds of Videos for MB members threaten the Church , the pope , the Christians that they will attack them if they supported 30 june demonstrations . Videos for attacking churches shows radical islamicts known in their regions .. it is so funny to say that army attack church while leaders of MB declared that they will attack it before it happened ....
Again , Our Army is honest , it defend Egypt and not attack other countries like the barbarian american army ... you know nothing about Egypt .. Stop talking about Egypt with lies and i will stop attacking your barbarian army who kill for oil ...
Because you run this site in America , you are free to spread lies !! so ironic ...
Your silly claims remember me when Al Qaeda attacked your country in Sept11 , The Islamicts here said the CIA did it to justify war on Islam , The same idiot silly thoughts ... i didn't know that Americans think like islamicts ...
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So, it's ironic that the leaders of the MB are in prison, the churches are attacked and the military did little to stop them, nor did they investigate to actually find out who did it.
Maybe true that the it's the military themselves burning Christian churches.
It wouldn't be far fetched either.
Before the Chinese government unleashed the military on the Tibetans, they sent in their own plain clothed agents, who set up barrels filled with rocks, before the demonstrations began. Then, when the demonstrations began, those same agents began the rock throwing, thereby obtaining the justification for the military to open fire on the demonstrators, many who were Buddhists monks who oppose violence in all forms.
So, I don't buy any of the reports coming out of the ME. I watch those who have reporters on the ground who don't have a side and can be objective.
Richard Engel from NBC is one such reporter, who's on the ground in Syria and has said there is some conflict on who said that there is a large weapon supply sitting on the border in Turkey, waiting to be given to the rebels. Where these weapons come from isn't clear, but it could be from the United States or even from Sunni nations looking to support the rebels. Remember, the Syrian Government is supported by the Iranian Shiites, who are hated by Sunni Muslims.
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I posted a news article from a credible news source, you called it lies.
When you call some one a liar, the burden of proof is yours.
Jim
I posted a news article from a credible news source, you called it lies.
When you call some one a liar, the burden of proof is yours.
Jim
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Who told you that all the MB leaders are in Prison , that's totally wrong .. The Army started to arrest them lately according to court and law .. See you know nothing about the situation here ...
Secondly , MB has many leaders and followers in each region here , Burning the churches doesn't need the boss to burn it ...
How you dare to talk about country u don't know anything about it . our situation is different than any other
Be honest and stop pretending that you know everything .
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The pressure really will be too much on Obama to act if the inspectors find that chemical weapons were used last week by the government.
The UN is useless in this matter. Russia has no intention of doing anything other than support Assad, which is right for them. Obama made a ridiculous line in the sand with regard to chemical weapons, repeating Bush's mistake.
I don't think that the US will go it alone. We will get support from Europe, hopefully from NATO. The actions seems likely to be cruise missile attacks on
Delivery systems, probably planes. No pilots will fly over Syria.
The UN is useless in this matter. Russia has no intention of doing anything other than support Assad, which is right for them. Obama made a ridiculous line in the sand with regard to chemical weapons, repeating Bush's mistake.
I don't think that the US will go it alone. We will get support from Europe, hopefully from NATO. The actions seems likely to be cruise missile attacks on
Delivery systems, probably planes. No pilots will fly over Syria.
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In listening to the panel on This Week With Geoerge Stephanopulous, George Will said that Obama actually had a loop hole in his statement where he actually said if chemical weapons were used "broadly." So, what constitutes "broadly?"
Doesn't matter. Like George Will said, the president doesn't have to do anything, regardless of what he said.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll keep our noses out of it and cruse missile strikes will be made and small arms will be given to the rebel groups.
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Oh good grief! Parsing words to fine an "out" while our brothers and sisters in Christ are brutally attacked and killed outright! BTW, I've seen many cartoons about Obama's "red lines"--the last one has him relieved because it isn't really a "red line" (where he said he'd act)--it's blood! (Blood is not one of his "red lines" or so it seems.)
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