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Muslim militias Burn and attack Churches in Egypt
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The regime in Syria is also supported by Iran.
By your logic then, we should be supporting the dictatorships of the Middle East, even when they themselves have exported terrorism to the world and caused human rights violations beyond belief.
Yeah right.
Like I said, there is no good side for the US to be on in the Middle East.
We need to stay out of the ME, and stop selling arms to all concerned.
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The worst persecution of the Chursh was made by the roman empire, in the city of Rome, The Church of Rome resisted underground until eventually Constantine's Mother got converted. Go underground.
Matthew 10, 16
16 Look, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; so be cunning as snakes and yet innocent as doves.
May muslims convert to Christ.
Matthew 10, 16
16 Look, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; so be cunning as snakes and yet innocent as doves.
May muslims convert to Christ.
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The regime in Syria is also supported by Iran.
By your logic then, we should be supporting the dictatorships of the Middle East, even when they themselves have exported terrorism to the world and caused human rights violations beyond belief.
Yeah right.
Like I said, there is no good side for the US to be on in the Middle East.
We need to stay out of the ME, and stop selling arms to all concerned.
Jim
Ok , it seems that you don't know that the US supported the Iranian Islamic revolution Coup in its beginning in 1979 .... So, blame yourself for creating terrorism who reflect against you !!!!
Stop interfering in the middle east to avoid all of these .
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Either you are listening to those who have the offices below you, or you simply have no knowledge of the time of the Shah. The CIA instigated a coup to put the Shah into power in 1953. The US supported him for over 25 years. Even after he was deposed, we allowed him to come to the US for treatment.
The US CIA was surprised by the success of the 1979 Revolution. This was a huge intelligence mistake by the US. Within months, our folks had been taken hostage by the revolutionaries.
Criticize us for invading iraq twice. Criticize us for invading Afghanistan. THe US stands guilty before God and the world. You can even criticize us for supporting the Muslim oil sheiks. But don't blame us for the 1979 Revolution.
And just BTW, Jim (who you keep on criticizing, is one of those least supportive of any US involvement in the Middle East.
The US CIA was surprised by the success of the 1979 Revolution. This was a huge intelligence mistake by the US. Within months, our folks had been taken hostage by the revolutionaries.
Criticize us for invading iraq twice. Criticize us for invading Afghanistan. THe US stands guilty before God and the world. You can even criticize us for supporting the Muslim oil sheiks. But don't blame us for the 1979 Revolution.
And just BTW, Jim (who you keep on criticizing, is one of those least supportive of any US involvement in the Middle East.
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Sorry for my mistake about the date. i meant the CIA interfere to Put the Shah in the power . which is interfere in the middle east lead to massive Islamic revolution
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Maybe going underground would be best.
Leave the Churches - hide and continue Liturgy.
When they see no one going to Liturgy - then they will possibly stop.
It will be ineffective for them to continue.
Leave the Churches - hide and continue Liturgy.
When they see no one going to Liturgy - then they will possibly stop.
It will be ineffective for them to continue.
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We can at least sign the petition from the American Center for Law and Justice to have Obama address the Coptic Christians' plight and help them instead of the Muslim Brotherhood which is responsible for the burnings and the brutalities.
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And so what's being asked of our government here ?
Is our president to support the Military Coup in Egypt and the dictatorship in Syria ?
This is the message that our friend from Egypt is saying. Don't support the terrorists, but the military take over in Egypt and dictatorship in Syria.
We condemn the violence against the Christian minority in these nations.
We also condemn the violence by the military against unarmed protesters.
We also condemn the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government on people, if in fact it was the government. For all we know, it could be the rebels with the help from outside, who used chemical weapons on their own people just for the purpose of getting Obama to send military aid to them. This is how ruthless people lusting for power can be.
But also keep in mind that just based on the statements made in this thread, it's probable that the Muslim radicals see the Christians as supporting the dictatorships and make themselves targets of retaliation.
Remember, even our in own revolution, the rebels in the American Colonies attacked the Tories who supported the British Government, in 1776 and anyone who aided the British troops.
Jim
Is our president to support the Military Coup in Egypt and the dictatorship in Syria ?
This is the message that our friend from Egypt is saying. Don't support the terrorists, but the military take over in Egypt and dictatorship in Syria.
We condemn the violence against the Christian minority in these nations.
We also condemn the violence by the military against unarmed protesters.
We also condemn the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government on people, if in fact it was the government. For all we know, it could be the rebels with the help from outside, who used chemical weapons on their own people just for the purpose of getting Obama to send military aid to them. This is how ruthless people lusting for power can be.
But also keep in mind that just based on the statements made in this thread, it's probable that the Muslim radicals see the Christians as supporting the dictatorships and make themselves targets of retaliation.
Remember, even our in own revolution, the rebels in the American Colonies attacked the Tories who supported the British Government, in 1776 and anyone who aided the British troops.
Jim
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To actually support the Coptic Christians that are under siege. (They have done nothing wrong except perhaps be Christians in a Muslim country. Of course, they were there first! And yet the Muslim Brotherhood is specifically targeting the Coptic Christian's churches and homes for burning and parading the nuns as if they were criminals!)
As the one article suggested, perhaps Obama could just stand up for them--or even give them humanitarian aid. (I'm sure his dog, Bo, wouldn't mind flying coach for any humanitarian aid Obama could spare the Christians.) The world doesn't understand Obama's practically being silent on this under the circumstances (and frankly, neither do I.)
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What you call a coup , we call it 30 June revolution .. so, stop calling it as you want. Call it as most of Egyptians want ' Revolution "
If you call the army action against MB who are supported by Al Qaeda a coup , so it is great coup
The Egyptian Army is loyal national army which most of the egyptians trust it
Christians used their right to protest against MB in 30 June which made MB angry and target churches . Is it wrong to stand beside truth ?! we have been threatened in order not to participate in 30 June demonstrations but we are brave enough to stand beside truth even if we know the MB will take revenge and attack us
we don't support the army, we support what is good for Egypt.
Please stop talking about dictatorship in Syria. As it is obvious that your country support the dictatorships in the Arabian Gulf . Do your government dare to interfere in Saudi Arabia and call them for democracy?!!!! they can't
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Well not from the Morsi supporter's perspective.
They see the Coptic Christians and Moderate Muslims, standing with the Egyptian Military who removed Morsi and the government, putting Morsi in prison. Remember, this was a democratically elected civilian government.
So, they're going after the Christians and Muslim moderates. In this weeks Catholic Free Press,
Those moderate Muslims are also being targeted by the Morsi MB supporters.
It's civil unrest and the military is going to get a lot harder on the protesters than they have been, in order to get control.
Should the US support the military crack down ?
Either side we support, we will not come out as the good guys, so it's best that we stay out of it.
Besides, we can no longer afford to be the world's policemen.
Jim
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You are correct. You don't understand why the right US policy in Egypt and in Syria is to do and say as little as possible, other than to oppose the violence on all sides.
The US cannot and will not support the killing of demonstrators and the systematic roundup of elected officials.
The US cannot and will not support the killing of demonstrators and the systematic roundup of elected officials.
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Call it whatever you want. That is your right. The US and the UN define what it means to have a military coup. The military overthrew an elected government. I understand that you believe that elections don't matter and that the people should be able to change governments whenever they wish.
US law does not allow us to support a military coup that has overthrown an elected government (3 elections as I recall). I am not saying that your coup was "wrong". I am merely saying that the US (and much of the world) cannot support it. This reluctance is underlined by the actions of the military after the change in power.
You say that it is a "revolution" because that's what the people want. Fine, in that case perhaps the MB believes that they are what the "people" want and are having a revolution of their own. If they win this current struggle, will they then be the revolution of the people?
Are you really sure that the MB wouldn't win an election if one were held tomorrow?
US law does not allow us to support a military coup that has overthrown an elected government (3 elections as I recall). I am not saying that your coup was "wrong". I am merely saying that the US (and much of the world) cannot support it. This reluctance is underlined by the actions of the military after the change in power.
You say that it is a "revolution" because that's what the people want. Fine, in that case perhaps the MB believes that they are what the "people" want and are having a revolution of their own. If they win this current struggle, will they then be the revolution of the people?
Are you really sure that the MB wouldn't win an election if one were held tomorrow?
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Military forced Moubark to leave and took the role and US supported that. Moubark was elected as well , What happened with Morsi is the Military gave the role to the President of the Constitutional Court and didn't take it .
MB fall due to economic crisis they will never win again
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At least we kniow where you will stand when the persecution increases here in America. I will rely on my Sig P229, much more reliable.
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