North Carolina becomes 34th state to implement voter ID

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Given these voter fraud cases have gone "undetected," how do we know that they exist?
That's the whole problem. We don't have anyway to detect them. Thus the voter ID laws to prevent them before the vote is cast
 
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That's the whole problem. We don't have anyway to detect them. Thus the voter ID laws to prevent them before the vote is cast
So repeating saying that an "undetected" problem exists now becomes a substitute for having to prove that it does exist!

paranoia - fears that something bad will happen
- fears that are exaggerated and not based in fact
 
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So repeating saying that an "undetected" problem exists now becomes a substitute for having to prove that it does exist!

paranoia - fears that something bad will happen
- fears that are exaggerated and not based in fact
I'm saying the present system encourages fraud. The Photo ID laws discourage and detect attempts at fraud
 
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I'm saying the present system encourages fraud. The Photo ID laws discourage and detect attempts at fraud
Comprehensive Database of U.S. Voter Fraud Uncovers No Evidence That Photo ID Is Needed
Aug. 12, 2012

A News21 analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.

In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

..... The News21 analysis of its election fraud database shows:
• In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation.

“The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That’s why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,” said Lorraine Minnite, professor of public policy and administration at Rutgers University.

• There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.

Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project
North Carolina has had 22 cases of alleged election fraud from 2000 to 2012 - but no reported cases of "Voter Impersonation Fraud."

Type of accusation
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Absentee Ballot Fraud 0
Vote Buying 5
Voter Impersonation Fraud 0
Registration Fraud 0
Non-Citizen Casting Ineligible Vote 1
Petition Fraud 0
Unknown 0
Double Voting 6
Campaign Fraud 6
Intimidation 0
Casting Ineligible Vote 8
Falsification of Election Counts 0
Other 0
Procedural Error 0
Felon Casting Ineligible Vote 2
Voting 0

Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project
 
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North Carolina has had 22 cases of alleged election fraud from 2000 to 2012. By category, Voter had the highest percentage of accused at 68 percent (15 cases), followed by Election Official at 23 percent (5 cases). The most prevalent fraud was Casting Ineligible Vote at 36 percent (8 cases). The status of most cases was Case Pending at 41 percent (9 cases).

Type of accusation
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Absentee Ballot Fraud 0
Vote Buying 5
Voter Impersonation Fraud 0
Registration Fraud 0
Non-Citizen Casting Ineligible Vote 1
Petition Fraud 1
Unknown 0
Double Voting 6
Campaign Fraud 5
Intimidation 0
Casting Ineligible Vote
Falsification of Election Counts
Other
Procedural Error
Felon Casting Ineligible Vote 2
Voting

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
Again, voter impersonation fraud is difficult to detect when you don't know if the person voting is actually the person they claim to be. Once they've voted, it's done. Photo ID prevents that
 
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Again, voter impersonation fraud is difficult to detect when you don't know if the person voting is actually the person they claim to be. Once they've voted, it's done. Photo ID prevents that

Assuming the ballot workers actually were to enforce it.

I mean, I remember reading somewhere that we're supposed to show our voter registration cards before we vote. I've not been asked to show that once in my history of voting.
 
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Comprehensive Database of U.S. Voter Fraud Uncovers No Evidence That Photo ID Is Needed
Aug. 12, 2012

..... Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project
Documented cases of voter impersonation I in 15 million

Having Identical Quadruplets 1 in 15 million

Becoming President 1 in 10 million

Dying From Bee, Hornet, or Wasp Stings 1 in 6.1 million

Dying From Being Left-Handed 1 in 4.4 million

Becoming a Movie Star 1 in 1,505,000

Dying in a Plane Crash 1 in 1 million

Death by Flesh-Eating Bacteria 1 in 1 million

Getting Struck by Lightning 1 in 1 million.

15 Things More Likely to Happen than Winning Mega Millions - The Daily Beast
 
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Assuming the ballot workers actually were to enforce it.

I mean, I remember reading somewhere that we're supposed to show our voter registration cards before we vote. I've not been asked to show that once in my history of voting.
Why wouldn't they enforce it unless they were committing fraud themselves?
 
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No, photo ID ain't good enough. University of North Carolina students have photo ID. Since that cannot be used, it is willful blindness to call it a photo ID law.

Rather, the draconian, new Jim Crow laws, which go far, far beyond photo ID requirements, are intentionally designed to disenfranchise voters from one party, and to disenfranchise minorities.

It is shameful.

Ah yes, the Democrat creed: "vote early, vote often".
 
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Ah yes, the Democrat creed: "vote early, vote often".

What does this have to do with the fact that some state issued IDs are considered by some to be more equal than others?
 
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Make IDs free and a requirement to get a "My check" and everyone will have them before the month is over.

No ID, no vote in the next election at any level.

The only ones who don't want to get an ID are the ones running from something, whether it is unpaid child support or a warrant for their arrest or trying to beat the system by voting multiple times or getting dead people to vote.
 
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People, both sides gerymander and people on both sides try to get away with voter fraud. Go get a picture ID, especially since it's free.
Yes, both sides do that. And no, this issue isn't about getting people to obtain voter IDs. If it was, Sunday voting, early voting, high school pre-registration, and other restrictions would not have been put in place in the same bill with voter IDs.
 
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Why wouldn't they enforce it unless they were committing fraud themselves?

One doesn't have to be committing fraud to not really care about their job.

But there are plenty of cases of election workers committing fraud.

Ohio Poll Worker Convicted On Multiple Counts Of Obama-Biased Voter Fraud « CBS Cleveland

Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News

Oregon election worker fired for altering ballots to Republican straight ticket | The Raw Story


I tried to get a few links that pointed to fraud on both sides, to be fair...
 
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One doesn't have to be committing fraud to not really care about their job.

But there are plenty of cases of election workers committing fraud.

Ohio Poll Worker Convicted On Multiple Counts Of Obama-Biased Voter Fraud « CBS Cleveland

Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News

Oregon election worker fired for altering ballots to Republican straight ticket | The Raw Story


I tried to get a few links that pointed to fraud on both sides, to be fair...
If I'm not mistaken, there are workers there to monitor the process, so i see that as far less likely than fraud by voters
 
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