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EternalDragon
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Just from some research I can see they are off with Egyptian dates as they are not reliable. That pushes all the dates up some.
In just 350 years, according to population growth statistics, 4 couples could re-populate the earth to 14 million people. (It was just not Noah and his wife.)
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You have this really, really bad habit. You state something, then you don't give any indication of how you reached the conclusion or where you got it from.
Source. Please.
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Oh, and by the way?
World Population Growth History Chart
The population of the world 350 years after the Flood was 27 million.
World Population Growth History Chart
The population of the world 350 years after the Flood was 27 million.
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EternalDragon
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How is it so hard to do simple math or look up population statistics? Each couple, if they have 3 daughters and those three daughters have 3 daughters and so on you get to over 14 million in 350 years. It is 3 to the power of 15.
That is probably closer to a maximum. Because in just 500 years (barring accidental deaths and such) those 4 couples could have created a population greater than we have today. If you factor in unknowns or one less daughter per couple it is still going to be in the millions in just 350 years.
Could the world have repopulated from 3 or 4 woman as is implied in the most literal way of reading the Noah’s ark story? | Looking around and trying to understand
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EternalDragon
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Try the Wiki and type in "Egyptian Chronology".
For people who seem to know so much about evolution I figured this stuff was common knowledge. Or do you really ignore anything that doesn't fit your belief system?
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These guys are sciientists, ED.
They expect us to act like one too.
The truth is, we have to explain everything to them.
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(Notice his name is Tom?)
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The problem is that that is a ridiculously high population growth rate. We have not seen that even in times of extreme population growth.
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EternalDragon
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These guys are sciientists, ED.
They expect us to act like one too.
The truth is, we have to explain everything to them.
(Notice his name is Tom?)
Funny!
So if you look at the oldest known Sumarian language (around 2000 B.C.) and the oldest known beginning of Egypt (around 2686 B.C.) they both fall within very close proximity to the end of the flood which was around 2349 B.C. Taking into consideration, as the Wiki says, that those Egyptian dates are still incomplete.
Plus the fact that Sumaria has a myth similar to the tower of Babel. Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta. Central America also has a story of a tower of babel that is close to what the Bible states. The Toltecs also have a story of a deluge, people building a tower and then their languages were confounded and they scattered. Even African tribes knew of the tower.
There are a lot more that include confusion of languages. This can't be a coincidence across the entire globe. It was a real event after the world wide flood of Noah's day.
It is my opinion that there never were any humans or apes or anything else who survived prior to the Flood date and that man was more advanced intelligently than we are today from that point on. They already had language and advanced building techniques.
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Seriously, believing in the Global Flood is about the same as believing in the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy. Think of the least likely thing to happen in the world of Myth and Noah's Flood is right up there.
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I did look up population statistics, and they don't match yours. Here's the link again, in case you missed it.
World Population Growth History Chart
Now, you'll notice that they have it significantly higher than yours, and you've yet to explain your growth rate. Why 3 daughters? Why not 2? Why not 1? Why not 5? Are you going to explain the basis behind your thinking? Are you including things like wars, famines, carrying capacity? Is there any reason we should assume such a growth rate other than the fact that it helps your argument?
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By the way, here's how population growth rates are actually determined.
Population growth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And here.
http://pages.uoregon.edu/rgp/PPPM613/class8a.htm
Now, compare that with simple multiplication on your link. Which do you think are more in depth and comprehensive?
Also...following the growth rate that your link provides would have the human population in the billions by 500 years. That's...obviously wrong, so why do you feel this growth rate is compelling? Honestly, do you even read something past the point where you feel it compliments your points?
Population growth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And here.
http://pages.uoregon.edu/rgp/PPPM613/class8a.htm
Now, compare that with simple multiplication on your link. Which do you think are more in depth and comprehensive?
Also...following the growth rate that your link provides would have the human population in the billions by 500 years. That's...obviously wrong, so why do you feel this growth rate is compelling? Honestly, do you even read something past the point where you feel it compliments your points?
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dad would find it compelling.
The reason he would is that if the real rates were the real rates then the Noah's Ark Myth would be a myth. And we can't be having that now can we?
The reason he would is that if the real rates were the real rates then the Noah's Ark Myth would be a myth. And we can't be having that now can we?
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EternalDragon
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So if you allow for unforeseen deaths or lower birth rates you get in the millions. I don't see your point.
Also, why wars or famine? When the earth is just getting repopulated.
I think you are just looking for excuses not to believe.
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If you allow for such things, you get a much lower number than 14 million. But that's not even the beginning of your problems.
At 500 years, your growth rate would have the population over 10 billion. Our current population is about 7 billion. Now, here's a tough question - is 10 billion more or less than 7 billion? Do you see the problem?
And I'm afraid to even see what number I would get if I plugged it into the current day. Not 7 billion, I guarantee you that.
Famine, maybe because of the fact that the world was covered in water for a really long time which is really, really bad for plant growth, and the fact that most animals are off the menu for a while because of obvious reasons. Are you familiar with the concept of carrying capacity?
Wars, because, well...there are empires, like the aforementioned Akkadian Empire. And they had wars.
Also, you completely ignored the part of my post that showed you that is NOT how population growth rates are determined.
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Heck, as one of the commentors point out, at 650 years, this would have the population at 15 trillion. TRILLION. With a T. Not million. Not billion. TRILLION. And the guy who wrote that never proposes any reason for this number to slow down. Nothing.
This is amateur hour.
This is amateur hour.
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Because I've actually read up on the subject a bit (though I need to refresh myself more often so I don't make spelling mistakes). Laymen can read about subjects with which they are not familiar or only have a passing familiarity you know.
Broca's area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jared Diamond delves into the spread of language families in Guns, Germs and Steel.
Guns, germs, and Steel: the fates of human societies
Proto-language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No. Sumer arose long after the earliest languages were spoken. I'd suggest reading the entirety of Guns, Germs and Steel to get an idea of how important language is in the rise and spread of civilization as well as recognizable culture. Sumer also arose around 4,000 B.C. in isolation from China (where Sino-Tibetan developed), Austronesian languages in the Pacific, Bantu and Khoisan languages in Africa and all Native American languages that were in isolation from ~13,000 B.C. until 1492 A.D. (or 1000 A.D. though the Vikings didn't effect the locals very much culturally).
One of the more influential languages did come from the Mediterranian region - Phoenician. Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Arabic were all influenced via their alphabet (the word itself a portmanteau of "aleph and beth").
You are more than welcome to believe what you wish. Just don't expect others to believe it when the science says something else.
eta - lasthero beat me to it in post #48. Though I will say this - isn't it interesting how different people will give the same answer to the same question. To me that bolsters the veracity of the answers provided.
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It's okay, he just stated that this supported what the Bible says with Babel. When I pointed out that, even were this true, it would mean their cultures would all be similar since they all started as the same people... he ignored me.
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