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Even if it did, even if these aliens, by some strange coincidence, went through the exact same path that we did, that would not would not explain why they have the same language. Why would beings on a different language and a different history speak like we do?

Also - you don't think that humans are an inevitable result of evolution, do you?

So how did language here develop? Take me through it.
 
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So how did language here develop? Take me through it.

I can't take you through it. Besides me not being linguist, you're talking about the development of spoken language, which doesn't exactly leave a physical trace. However, there is quite a lot of work done in the field, many reasonable hypothesis that fit in with what we do know and understand about the development of humans.
 
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Is this serious question? Humans have had language for hundreds of thousands of years based on the Brocca's region (this includes at least Neanderthals). For the majority of that time, we lived in isolated bands developing very primative though distinct cultures. Some survived, some died out. Some formed the very earliest cultures that gave us the great language families like Indo-European, Afro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan, etc.

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Was it Sumerian? And if so, where did it originate from? Or did all other languages build upon Sumerian?

If we believe God confounded the languages and gave Adam the knowledge to speak the very first language, then other languages would resemble/look derived from each other after Babel.
 
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So how did language here develop? Take me through it.
Same way sign language develops. Kids there first started to assign simple gestures to objects. The number of gestures quickly expanded, and the complexity of the gestures quickly increased, developing in a creole sign language.

Something similar would happen with regular languages. Animals like apes already use a large number of different noises to indicate different situations to each other. With a developing vocal system and a developing brain capacity, this will quickly develop into a language, first using words to indicate things, than adding complexity.
 
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If we believe God confounded the languages and gave Adam the knowledge to speak the very first language, then other languages would resemble/look derived from each other after Babel.

Chinese language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Australian Aboriginal languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indigenous languages of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If/when you find anything that would make you think that these languages are derived from the same source that Sumerian is, or even a single source at all, you let me know.
 
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Chinese language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Australian Aboriginal languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indigenous languages of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If/when you find anything that would make you think that these languages are derived from the same source that Sumerian is, or even a single source at all, you let me know.
Also, summerian already shows a big influence from Akkadian 3000 BCE, which is around 1000 years before Noah's flood and the Tower of Babel, if we have to believe the creationists. How can that be, if God only confounded languages after the tower of Babel?
 
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I know what the book says, yes. I also know that there's no evidence these cultures were even in contact with each other or were ever part of the same culture. If they all came from the same source, one would expect the cultures to share traits, even if the languages got mixed up. They do not. There's nothing to suggest that any of these cultures started at the same source.
 
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Also, summerian already shows a big influence from Akkadian 3000 BCE, which is around 1000 years before Noah's flood and the Tower of Babel, if we have to believe the creationists. How can that be, if God only confounded languages after the tower of Babel?

From the wiki it says the Akkadian Empire was ca. 2334-2154 BC. The end of the flood was around 2300 BC.

I think the dates fit closely enough. Although scientists dating methods are not exactly accurate. They use circular reasoning a lot of times. Of course you always see established dates yet no details on how they were derived. Like we are supposed to just accept the stated dates on faith.
 
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From the wiki it says the Akkadian Empire was ca. 2334-2154 BC. The end of the flood was around 2300 BC.

I think the dates fit closely enough. Although scientists dating methods are not exactly accurate. They use circular reasoning a lot of times. Of course you always see established dates yet no details on how they were derived. Like we are supposed to just accept the stated dates on faith.


This is a video on how dating works.

Radiometric Dating 101 - YouTube

Please show where the circular reasoning is.

Also, how does that 'fit closely enough' It make sense that an entire, separate empire could arise from a group of 8 individuals in less than 100 years?
 
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From the wiki it says the Akkadian Empire was ca. 2334-2154 BC. The end of the flood was around 2300 BC.

How do you get an empire 34 years after a global flood which wiped out the complete population of the world? And remember, you are not looking at the time after the global flood, but after the tower of babel. So you have 34 years, a make it 100, for the empire of babel to develop, start building a tower (using simple tools, which alone takes decades already), then being dispersed and forming a completely new empire. If you think that fits the dates close enough, I have a couple of bridges and the Eiffel tower to sell you. Interested? I can make set you up with a good deal. Honest.

I think the dates fit closely enough. Although scientists dating methods are not exactly accurate. They use circular reasoning a lot of times. Of course you always see established dates yet no details on how they were derived. Like we are supposed to just accept the stated dates on faith.
Here's a hint, which I know you'll ignore again. If you have no idea about how something is done, in this case dating, first study how it is done and then comment. Currently you go the other way round, with pretty ignorant comments as a result.

You can in fact look up how the dates are derived. Here is the link for a search engine on this type of articles:
scholar.google.com
 
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This is a video on how dating works.

Radiometric Dating 101 - YouTube

Please show where the circular reasoning is.

Also, how does that 'fit closely enough' It make sense that an entire, separate empire could arise from a group of 8 individuals in less than 100 years?
Breed like rabbits, and then some.
 
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How do you know this?

Was it Sumerian? And if so, where did it originate from? Or did all other languages build upon Sumerian?
If they did, Sumerian wouldn't be an isolate.

How do you get an empire 34 years after a global flood which wiped out the complete population of the world?
Before, even. ;)
 
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How do you get an empire 34 years after a global flood which wiped out the complete population of the world?

34 years before, not after. BC, we're counting down. Which makes less sense, because the Empire would not only have been established before they flood, but they would have to survive it and thrive afterwards. Go figure.

Anyway, AIG has the date of the Flood at 2348.

Feedback: Timeline for the Flood - Answers in Genesis

Which would mean the Akkadian Empire started some 14 years after everybody died. Noah really didn't waste any time. Not bad for a 600+ year old man.
 
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34 years before, not after. BC, we're counting down. Which makes less sense, because the Empire would not only have been established before they flood, but they would have to survive it and thrive afterwards. Go figure.

Anyway, AIG has the date of the Flood at 2348.

Feedback: Timeline for the Flood - Answers in Genesis

Which would mean the Akkadian Empire started some 14 years after everybody died. Noah really didn't waste any time. Not bad for a 600+ year old man.
Poor women... That is what, at least 2 births per day for 14 years?
 
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