It amuses me, that his little economic theory doesn't account human nature into the equation.
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No. A private military does not answer to any one entity. In an anarchist society there is no authority figure. If you assume there is any type of authority figure, whether or not it is called government, then you are not talking about anarchy but something else.
I want to have whatever I can afford. Blackwater/Academi is not a true private defense agency because they are government contractors.
Defense is about the ONLY thing I feel should not be privatized.Ummm, isn't that a form of PRIVATIZED DEFENSE? Unless we first dissolve the government there is really no way to "model" your ideal of privatized defense in a modern society.
So unless you can provide us with a better model it will have to be met with severe skepticism.
For most of my life while being aware of politics I would regard myself as a social democrat but over the last couple of years I have been finding myself sliding first towards libertarianism and now an-cap. Government is coercion and in my previous belief I justified it with "it needs to be for the common good" but now I think coercion can not be justified.
Lucy Stulz said:Defense is about the ONLY thing I feel should not be privatized.
Seriously, you need to spend some quality time studying the history of the US. That's what I'm doing right now and I'm learning "new" stuff all the time that proves that privatization is the very worst thing for us.Defense is about the ONLY thing I feel should not be privatized.
Fire departments do it this way either have volunteer departments at least five in my county OR require people to pay yearly ( the city my mother works for does that) If a family/person does not pay the yearly fee then if their house any property is burning the fire department has the OPTION of putting it out or not.Seriously, you need to spend some quality time studying the history of the US. That's what I'm doing right now and I'm learning "new" stuff all the time that proves that privatization is the very worst thing for us.
Let's take one simple example. Fire departments. How would they work as a private service? What company would ever want to do that? Someone has to pay the bill. Who pays? If your house is burning, do you look in the Yellow Pages under "Fire Dousing" and start calling for quotes? No. And if the government (I talked about this on the other thread a few minutes ago) subsidized the private fire department, then the government is still paying. And probably paying more. It's always more expensive to have a middle-man.
I work in state government. The times we have tried to get around paying more by using private contractors, we always end up spending more money and going back to doing things internally...like we were before. Government service is just that. Service. A for-profit company doesn't want to provide service just because. It wants to make money, period.
I know some places do it like that now. Having people's homes burn because they can't pay is unconscionable. Now imagine if the whole country was like that. And with police and EMS too. Only those with money would get those critical services.Fire departments do it this way either have volunteer departments at least five in my county OR require people to pay yearly ( the city my mother works for does that) If a family/person does not pay the yearly fee then if their house any property is burning the fire department has the OPTION of putting it out or not.
Honest question I agree that those are critical services, BUT are also proposing that people should have their city water paid for? That is another thing mother sends out water bills each month if you do not pay your water bill they cut your water off. I would say that that service is more important than ANY of the others simply because you only need the others if certain things are happening you HAVE to have water to live no matter how safe your community is no matter if you live in a fire-prone area not matter how healthy you are you MUST have water to live. Let me asks you too if you are renting or still paying your house off if you fall on hard times will the landlord/bank say that is OK do not worry about it OR will they service you with an eviction notice you and I both know the answer to that question.I know some places do it like that now. Having people's homes burn because they can't pay is unconscionable. Now imagine if the whole country was like that. And with police and EMS too. Only those with money would get those critical services.
Some places have their priorities really backwards.
And what exactly is "human nature" supposed to be?
Selfishness, irrationality, hunger for power. There is much more of course, but those 3 kill any hope for an anarcho-capitalist society that is more free or more pleasant than the one we have now.
ALLorNOTHINGatall4CHRIST said:Defense is about the ONLY thing I feel should not be privatized.Seriously, you need to spend some quality time studying the history of the US. That's what I'm doing right now and I'm learning "new" stuff all the time that proves that privatization is the very worst thing for us.
Let's take one simple example. Fire departments. How would they work as a private service? What company would ever want to do that? Someone has to pay the bill. Who pays? If your house is burning, do you look in the Yellow Pages under "Fire Dousing" and start calling for quotes? No. And if the government (I talked about this on the other thread a few minutes ago) subsidized the private fire department, then the government is still paying. And probably paying more. It's always more expensive to have a middle-man.
I work in state government. The times we have tried to get around paying more by using private contractors, we always end up spending more money and going back to doing things internally...like we were before. Government service is just that. Service. A for-profit company doesn't want to provide service just because. It wants to make money, period.
Yes. Thank you tax dollars for bringing us...The Internet!
Yeah, who needs government.....
Water is important, but not critical. You can get a drink of water at any public water fountain...that is paid for by taxes. You can even shower at certain places like the YMCA if you have to. And some places have you pay a water bill, others roll it into your rent. It varies. Basically, if your water was cut off right now, you'd have options. Someone breaks into your house or it's on fire, that's immediate and critical. Good question.Honest question I agree that those are critical services, BUT are also proposing that people should have their city water paid for? That is another thing mother sends out water bills each month if you do not pay your water bill they cut your water off. I would say that that service is more important than ANY of the others simply because you only need the others if certain things are happening you HAVE to have water to live no matter how safe your community is no matter if you live in a fire-prone area not matter how healthy you are you MUST have water to live. Let me asks you too if you are renting or still paying your house off if you fall on hard times will the landlord/bank say that is OK do not worry about it OR will they service you with an eviction notice you and I both know the answer to that question.
I will be gone for a few days in a couple of hours, but if you reply I will get back to it when I get back.
P.S. Remember I said the fire department had the OPTION if they choose to put the fire out great but it is NOT mandated.
Good examples.Exactly. In the 1990s Britain started privatizing British Rail, the nation's passenger rail network that had been nationalized in 1948. It ended up needing more subsidy than when it was completely run by the government.
But defense would be about the worst thing we could privatize. Private-run prisons already have a terrible reputation.
AceHero said:Exactly. In the 1990s Britain started privatizing British Rail, the nation's passenger rail network that had been nationalized in 1948. It ended up needing more subsidy than when it was completely run by the government.
But defense would be about the worst thing we could privatize. Private-run prisons already have a terrible reputation.Good examples.
Also, if something is private...what happens in the company goes under? Or decides (I believe this happened in FL with Child Services...basically Lockheed suddenly decided, "yikes, we can't make a buck helping poor kids...forget this...we're outta here...FL...it's your show again...thus wasting *tons* of taxpayer $$s in the process of going back to public from private) they don't want to renew a contract? Governments tend to stick around. This is another reason why certain things should fall within the government's purview.
And when there's conflict between government and a contractor? Lawsuits start flying and work grinds to a screeching halt. For a very long time.There have also been proposals to privatize Britain's highways. I'm sure they'd have the same results.
Things are great when the economy is good and private companies are able to make money, but what happens during a recession? The problem with private companies running civil defense, public safety, prisons, and transportation infrastructure is that they need to make a profit in order to stay in business. They are constantly at risk of failing, which is especially bad when they're replacing something that is supposed to be a government program.
Government contractors are just as bad as government itself. The end result is the same. Either way taxpayers pay for it and a good or service is created that there was no market demand for.And when there's conflict between government and a contractor? Lawsuits start flying and work grinds to a screeching halt. For a very long time.