The Five Foolish Virgins Buy Oil?

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

x141 said:
This makes us less than one with our Father, and God's soul as fragmented as our own.

There is therefore no difference in Jew and gentile because the gentile has an adoption set up so that he can join the inheritance given to the Jew. The gentile has all the right in the world to become like the Jew if he converts.

100's of thousand of gentiles converted and they all left their Pagan ways and joined the religion of the Jews and this made them one with the Jews through conversion. They stopped celebrating the Saturnalia, they stopped all their Pagan influences and they started keeping the Pesach, and they started looking like a Jew in their belief.

A council was formed to see if the gentile should keep the law as the Jew kept it, but it was decided that the Jew alone had to keep it.

But at this time, Jews and gentiles became one and gentiles actually turned in to Jews, they were adopted into the family and became a part of the family...........

That is when there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. Those gentiles became God's people and they too began being persecuted for what they believed and they became the hunted along with the Jews.

But this is no longer the case is it?

The supposed Christian gentile separted from the Jews, they separated from the word of God, they separated from everything that brought persecution to them. Not only did they separate from the religion that at first adopted them, they then began to kill the Jews themselves.

So the Jew was left alone to be persecuted by the world because they were the only people keeping the feasts of the Messiah.

The gentile refused to stand with their brother the Jew and he is no longer the same people because of it.....

You want me to stick Christian gentiles who celebrate Pagan festivals and have called the word of God a strange thing alongside the Jew who is in a totally different religion with totally different Sabbaths and feasts of God.

There wasn't a difference between the Jew and the gentile believer at the first, but there sure is a difference today.

The Pagan Christian is not the same religion as Jews. The first gentile converts converted to the religion of the Jews and accepted the Sabbaths and Passover of God.

THAT is no longer the case.

Those first gentiles became Jews and priests before the Lord and the Lord will bring the gentiles to the feet of that gentile who was truly adopted.

But you want me to say that Christians who invented their own worship system, and invented their own Holy days and Sabbaths are on the same footing with Jews who keep the Sabbaths and feasts of our Messiah?

God forbid, The Pagan Christian is not the same as a Jew, nor is he of the same religion as the Jew.

Let all the Christians come back to the word of God and join their brother, Let all Christians do away with all their idols and all their involvement with the Messiah of Babylon and I will call them,'' God's chosen people.''

I'm not going to call a Pagan Christian gentile the same as a Jew or in the same religion, or under the same Messiah.

So you can quote Paul all day about what he said of the first Christian gentiles and it was true when he said it.

It does not remain true when the Christian converts back to pagan ways and becomes anti-Torah.

They are not the same, not the same religion, not the same people and there is therefore a difference in God's people and the gentile Christian.

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

ancientsoul said:
yes.

Galatians 3:26-29 ... purpose of the law ... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ' then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

it seems the difference of opinion in aal this is Jesus ... some believe in Him as Salvation ... some don't ... Christian i.e. Christ follower ... am i coreect in that discernment ... who knows, time will tell ... but in trying to see the ''line'' that seems to be where it is ... Jesus or not for Salvation ... and whether the blessings and promises such come through Him or whether they come from some other ... i believe He will bless me if i bless Him ... and some times He won't ... most likely for my own good ... i believe He will also bless us when we don't deserve it i.e. grace = unmerited favor ... and He will have mercy when we don't deserve it .. mercy i.e. releiving someone of there misery because you can ... i don't believe i have to 'buy' my way to blessings or Salvation ... i believe if we are commanded, then so be it ... but no one gets to overrride what Jesus speaks to me in those verses right there ... i have it all, too ... and so do you ... IF you believe in Him, have faith in Him, honor Him, love Him, and obey Him ... He is not partial ... He says so ...

Those who bless Israel will be blessed, I didn't write it, but who in the world is talking about buying salvation Soul?

Let all the gentile Christians not keep the least of the commandments and let them teach against the law and the prophets, I still say they are saved.

But they will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

People keep acting as if I am speaking of Salvation when I tell them to go and find a needy Jew and help your brother, but I am not talking about salvation, I am talking about reward and what it means to receive an oil of education.

But people keep acting as if I am speaking of Salvation, and I'm not.

The parable of the 10 virgins is only one parable that speaks about helping the Jews, its certainly not the only Parable that shows this.

The idea of giving to the Jew is certainly not something I invented in my own head, I have multitudes and multitudes of scrip[ture to back up what I say.

But if I show Isaiah speaking about all the gentile nations bringing the wealth of the world to the feet of the Jews, people act like I made this up myself.

If I show ALL the prophets saying the same thing, do not take my word for it, take the word of the prophets.

But you wont do that either, will ya?

Should I fill up 10 pages with scriptures saying the same thing I am saying?

Would anyone believe it then?

No you, and they would not.

It doesn't matter how many scriptures I put up, the people who don't want to believe the prophets WILL NOT BELIEVE THE PROPHETS.

I don't say these things of myself.

x141 · Jul 19, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
But you want me to say ...

I' not asking you to say anything, or even believe anything, in the end one can see only what one sees, and if God does not give us sight, then we will not see.

Mic 4:4-5 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

There is only one Father, as there is only one Son, as there is only one God. It is by thought that we divide him from us and us from each other.

Religion is at the expense of the relationship just as (the tree of) knowledge was at the expense of the (tree of) Life.

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Interplanner · Jul 19, 2013

Hannibal wrote:
A council was formed to see if the gentile should keep the law as the Jew kept it, but it was decided that the Jew alone had to keep it.

But at this time, Jews and gentiles became one and gentiles actually turned in to Jews, they were adopted into the family and became a part of the family...........

That is when there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. Those gentiles became God's people and they too began being persecuted for what they believed and they became the hunted along with the Jews.

This is not really how NT history unfolded. The lack of difference between groups was "in Christ" and practiced more or less. It does not start when the Gentiles are keeping feasts, other than in the symbolic sense of 1 Cor 5.

The council did not go along so absolute. They thought 4 practices would be practical for the nations without impeding them too much. Paul said he was not under God's law, but under Christ's--faith at work through love.

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

x141 said:
HannibalFlavius said:

But you want me to say ...

I' not asking you to say anything, or even believe anything, in the end one can see only what one sees, and if God does not give us sight, then we will not see.

Mic 4:4-5 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

There is only one Father, as there is only one Son, as there is only one God. It is by thought that we divide him from us and us from each other.

Religion is at the expense of the relationship just as (the tree of) knowledge was at the expense of the (tree of) Life.

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There is only one God, one father, one set of instructions, one set of appointed visitation days and Sabbaths that we are to watch.

We were given the word of God so that all men can look into it and find God, But is this the God of the Hindus? Is this the God of the Wiccans?

It is no different to the Wiccans as it is to anyone else.

You either stand for the ways of the God of the bible or you stand for the ways of a different Messiah with different ways, and different Sabbaths and Holy days.

What difference is the Wiccan and his holy days and Sabbaths from the Christian with his Holy days and Sabbath?

If both have the same Holy days and Sabbaths, then do both promote a Messiah that is not the same as the Messiah of Jerusalem.............?

There was a Gentile believer in Jesus, in Rome in 95 A.D.

This Gentile was raised a Pagan in Rome and he was just like all the other Pagans. But one day he found Jesus, and he joined the persecuted.

He stopped doing all his old Pagan ways and his family and friends abandoned him. He decided that Jesus was his Messiah and he began keeping the Passover. Then the officials of Rome came to him and put the Jewish Tax on him which was very severe.

He received the Jewish tax because he was seen as a Jew in that everyone knew he had given up all his pagan influences and now he followed a Jewish Messiah of Jerusalem. So he accepted the Jewish tax and he felt proud that he could be persecuted for keeping Christ's memory alive in his Passover.

But then the Romans came to his house and killed his children right in front of him. Then they told him to deny Christ and to come back to the Saturnalia and he would live.

But the Pagan convert said,'' I cannot deny Christ in any way, and I must stand loyal to the Jews and to the Jewish feasts.''

So they killed this righteous gentile convert and I tell you that he will rule and reign with Christ and be seated in judgment against the 12 tribes of Israel because he gave up family and life for his belief in Christ.

40 YEARS later in 135 A.d.-- Hadrian-the biggest Jew hater of all struck a deal with Othodox Christians that if they would again accept the Saturnalia, They would live and not die for Jesus.

So the synagogues of the Jew and the gentile convert was taken by force and the Jews were expelled from Jerusalem.

These Christians who saved their lives by accepting the Saturnalia then began persecuting the true gentiles believers in Jesus.

Gentiles Christians who denied the ways of Jesus and accepted the Saturnalia to save their own lives began killing Gentile believers in Christ who would not deny the Passover of Christ, and who would not come against the Jews, and who would in no way involve themselves in Paganism even if it killed them.

So we have TWO SETS of Gentile Christian believers in Christ.

WE have the gentile who abandoned all his Pagan ways because he accepted the God of Israel and he was persecuted and put to death by gentile believers in Christ who had accepted the Saturnalia and turned against Judah and gentiles who practiced Jewish things.

We also have the gentile who speaks against the commandments of God who has invented his own Sabbaths and feasts of God which are about ancient Pagan Gods. These gentiles helped to destroy the seed of God off of the face of the Earth, and they persecute and kill any gentile who wants to follow Jesus in his feasts and ways.

So How can I look at the two gentile believers in the same way?

YES, There are gentiles who have obtained the highest rewards because they didn't love their lives and they chose Jesus no matter if they died.
These gentiles will stand in the day of the Lord and they will be the true seed of God who has inherited God. They will sit in the seats of the judges and judge me personally I'm sure.

But to those wicked men in 135 a.d. who accepted the Saturnalia to save their lives, and who accepted the job of persecuting the Jews and Gentiles who only wanted to follow God and Christ, To those gentiles I would say,'' May the Lord forgive you for denying Christ to save your life.''

I feel sorry for them, I really do.

They had a good reason, They chose their own life.

Where are you MOSES?

He was born into riches and great inheritance but he chose persecution and slavery willingly.

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HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

Interplanner said:
Hannibal wrote:
A council was formed to see if the gentile should keep the law as the Jew kept it, but it was decided that the Jew alone had to keep it.

But at this time, Jews and gentiles became one and gentiles actually turned in to Jews, they were adopted into the family and became a part of the family...........

That is when there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. Those gentiles became God's people and they too began being persecuted for what they believed and they became the hunted along with the Jews.

This is not really how NT history unfolded. The lack of difference between groups was "in Christ" and practiced more or less. It does not start when the Gentiles are keeping feasts, other than in the symbolic sense of 1 Cor 5.

The council did not go along so absolute. They thought 4 practices would be practical for the nations without impeding them too much. Paul said he was not under God's law, but under Christ's--faith at work through love.

Are you aware and willing to admit that Paul never taught people to forsake the law of Moses?

Are you aware that Paul went out of his way to prove that he himself kept the law and to prove the liars to be liars that said Paul was teaching people to forsake the law of Moses?

Are you aware and will to admit that Stephen was stoned because liars were paid to say that he was teaching all Jews everywhere to forsake the law of Moses?

Are you aware and able to admit that Gentile believers in Christ gave up the Saturnalia and all the Pagan influences that ruled their lives?

For decades the decision of the law went on and not everybody agreed with the ruling, But the ruling didn't cancel the vital demand of serving God alone.

The gentile certainly didn't have to follow all the Jewish feasts, fasts, and Sabbaths which many were of invention to begin with.

But it was Common knowledge that the Gentile accepted the Sabbath and the 3 main feasts of Jesus. Jesus has 7 feasts which are appointed visitation days that teach about his beautiful work in a beautiful way.

EVEN IF the gentile didn't keep the 3 main feasts as he should have, He was in no way allowed to return to the same Pagan origins that he had now rejected.

If he goes back to exactly what he was doing before Christ had come, then what kind of conversion is that?

If the gentiles went back to the Pagan influences, there would have been no need to persecute or kill the new gentile pagan convert.

But kill they did, many gentiles were killed for standing on the promises of Jesus, for no other reason but that they believed what the disciples taught them about the Passover of Christ.

Now people turn from the 7 beautiful ways of Christ which teach of our salvation and rewards of the next life.

Now we shun what we should embrace, and we refuse to stand with Israel in doing so. It is this separation that needs to be healed.

Peace would reign over the whole globe if Christianity ever returns to its first roots.

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

I think I would like to make an experiment if a Jewish believer would agree and pray with me.

To have a Jew and a Gentile in agreement to ask a thing in Jesus name for another person.

That a Jew may pray with me over a Christian in this thread that doesn't believe that buying oil is to heal the wounds of the broken hearted of Israel.

I think that maybe if two agree, that we might ask that a spirit of oil be dropped on somebody's head.

If a person could experience what happens after you comfort the poor in spirit of Israel by paying a bill that they couldn't pay, or by helping them.

I don't know if a thing like that can be transferred, I only know that something came to me, and it changed my life because I helped a broken down Jew who's family had been persecuted by Christians for 2000 years.

That's what we are appointed to do by Jesus.

5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

When Israel became a Nation in the later 40's, Gentiles began blessing them because they saw that God had begun blessing them.

All those decades are full of righteous gentiles who carried Jews on their backs back to their place.

Gentiles have been used to punish God's people in the past, But we are living in a day when God is moving the hearts of Gentiles to care after the scattered of Israel, to bring them back to their land.

Gentiles who have spent their own money and time helping people they don't even know, but helping them because God is blessing them.

These days are talked about in many of the prophets, a day will God will seek to gather and bless his people.

This is the daytime and work can still be done, It is God's will to bless them and that's obvious, lets all jump in God's will.

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

And truly, in the first place, it seems to everyone a most unworthy thing that we should follow the customs of the Jews in the celebration of this most holy solemnity, who, polluted wretches! having stained their hands with a nefarious crime, are justly blinded in their minds. It is fit, therefore, that rejecting the practice of this people, we should perpetuate to all future ages the celebration of this rite, in a more legitimate order, which we have kept from the first day of our "Lord's" passion even to the present times. Let us then have nothing in common with the most hostile rabble of the Jews. (Council of Nicea, pg. 52.)

This is where the line is drawn, which side of the line do you want to be on? You are on the side of Jesus and his Passover, or you are on the side of Constantine in doing away with Jesus Passover.

yedida · Jul 19, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
I think I would like to make an experiment if a Jewish believer would agree and pray with me.

To have a Jew and a Gentile in agreement to ask a thing in Jesus name for another person.

That a Jew may pray with me over a Christian in this thread that doesn't believe that buying oil is to heal the wounds of the broken hearted of Israel.

I think that maybe if two agree, that we might ask that a spirit of oil be dropped on somebody's head.

If a person could experience what happens after you comfort the poor in spirit of Israel by paying a bill that they couldn't pay, or by helping them.

I don't know if a thing like that can be transferred, I only know that something came to me, and it changed my life because I helped a broken down Jew who's family had been persecuted by Christians for 2000 years.

That's what we are appointed to do by Jesus.

5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

When Israel became a Nation in the later 40's, Gentiles began blessing them because they saw that God had begun blessing them.

All those decades are full of righteous gentiles who carried Jews on their backs back to their place.

Gentiles have been used to punish God's people in the past, But we are living in a day when God is moving the hearts of Gentiles to care after the scattered of Israel, to bring them back to their land.

Gentiles who have spent their own money and time helping people they don't even know, but helping them because God is blessing them.

These days are talked about in many of the prophets, a day will God will seek to gather and bless his people.

This is the daytime and work can still be done, It is God's will to bless them and that's obvious, lets all jump in God's will.

I would agree....but don't overlook the fact that many of those so-called 'gentiles' are no longer gentiles of the nations. We have been adopted into the family of God, we are now Israelites ourselves, and the persecuted, the poor, the hungry, thirsty, peacemakers, etc....

yedida · Jul 19, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
And truly, in the first place, it seems to everyone a most unworthy thing that we should follow the customs of the Jews in the celebration of this most holy solemnity, who, polluted wretches! having stained their hands with a nefarious crime, are justly blinded in their minds. It is fit, therefore, that rejecting the practice of this people, we should perpetuate to all future ages the celebration of this rite, in a more legitimate order, which we have kept from the first day of our "Lord's" passion even to the present times. Let us then have nothing in common with the most hostile rabble of the Jews. (Council of Nicea, pg. 52.)

This is where the line is drawn, which side of the line do you want to be on? You are on the side of Jesus and his Passover, or you are on the side of Constantine in doing away with Jesus Passover.

Yes, Constantinites fail to see in Lev. that the feasts are not 'of the Jews' but "MY Feasts...." You would think that would make such a difference, but it doesn't seem to....

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

yedida said:
I would agree....but don't overlook the fact that many of those so-called 'gentiles' are no longer gentiles of the nations. We have been adopted into the family of God, we are now Israelites ourselves, and the persecuted, the poor, the hungry, thirsty, peacemakers, etc....

That's always been my point, that all Christians should come back to the feasts of Jesus, and become one with the Jew who is half of our body.

Gentiles make a willing decision to do as Moses did. To choose the people of God and the ways of God over the ways of the world and the God's of the world.

Although the Jews are on a trek of 2000 years of persecution, you decide to stand with them in their journey even if it means persecution and slavery. They are despised by the whole world and you are willing to be despised because you stand with them.

You become a gentile who is given the spirit of Elijah, and the spirit of Elijah is to prepare a highway for the lost people to come and be joined to Judah. One king shall be made over the two, when the two become one.

The spirit of Elijah was always one single thing.----''To turn the hearts of the house of Joseph to the house of Judah.''

The spirit of John the Baptist was the same,'' To turn the hearts of the gentiles living in the land of Joseph to the fathers of Judah.''

In these days, Elijah is here and his spirit is to turn the hearts of Christians of Israel to the hearts of Judah once again.

If the hearts of Christian Israel under the name of Ephraim will not become one with the hearts of the people of Judah, the Earth will be struck with a curse.

The two are one body and they must come together.

Tens of thousands of Christians are turning back to respect the law of Moses all the time, and many are coming back to the love of Jews.

But there is a special blessing and reward in finding the broken hearted of Israel amongst the brethren of Jews. I believe there is a very special blessing in finding needy Jews who don't believe in Jesus, and then blessing them. Christianity has 2000 years of cursing them and persecuting them, I feel like all of us owe them restitution, and not restitution for even things centuries ago, but restitution for things in my father's day and in mine.

The man I help all the time is surrounded by gentiles like me. They picked him off the street, bought him a trailor, paid his bills, they continually stock his food.

It is an unbelievable sight. He lives in a community called,'' Shiloh.''

There are about 8 of us, 8 different gentile Christians who are all different denominations.

I just came back from his house and somebody had installed a new a.c.

We all continue to help this man because we found out that by helping him, we are blessed.

If the outcome and the end shows the whole world blessing Israel, then isn't the one who did it willingly of his own heart better off than the whole world, when the world finds out that they should bless them?

Buying oil is a remarkable thing, and you do it buy healing the wounds of the people whom the whole world has hated and tried to kill.

HannibalFlavius · Jul 19, 2013

Sons of oil

The Two Olive Trees
12And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Exodus 29:7 Take the anointing oil and anoint him by pouring it on his head.

Exodus 40:15 Anoint them just as you anointed their father, so they may serve me as priests. Their anointing will be to a priesthood that will continue throughout their generations

."1 Samuel 16:1 The LORD said to Samuel, "How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his sons to be king."

1 Samuel 16:12 So he sent for him and had him brought in. He was glowing with health and had a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; this is the one.

"Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.

Who are the sons of oil who have the oil?

yedida · Jul 20, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
That's always been my point, that all Christians should come back to the feasts of Jesus, and become one with the Jew who is half of our body.

Gentiles make a willing decision to do as Moses did. To choose the people of God and the ways of God over the ways of the world and the God's of the world.

Although the Jews are on a trek of 2000 years of persecution, you decide to stand with them in their journey even if it means persecution and slavery. They are despised by the whole world and you are willing to be despised because you stand with them.

You become a gentile who is given the spirit of Elijah, and the spirit of Elijah is to prepare a highway for the lost people to come and be joined to Judah. One king shall be made over the two, when the two become one.

The spirit of Elijah was always one single thing.----''To turn the hearts of the house of Joseph to the house of Judah.''

The spirit of John the Baptist was the same,'' To turn the hearts of the gentiles living in the land of Joseph to the fathers of Judah.''

In these days, Elijah is here and his spirit is to turn the hearts of Christians of Israel to the hearts of Judah once again.

If the hearts of Christian Israel under the name of Ephraim will not become one with the hearts of the people of Judah, the Earth will be struck with a curse.

The two are one body and they must come together.

Tens of thousands of Christians are turning back to respect the law of Moses all the time, and many are coming back to the love of Jews.

But there is a special blessing and reward in finding the broken hearted of Israel amongst the brethren of Jews. I believe there is a very special blessing in finding needy Jews who don't believe in Jesus, and then blessing them. Christianity has 2000 years of cursing them and persecuting them, I feel like all of us owe them restitution, and not restitution for even things centuries ago, but restitution for things in my father's day and in mine.

The man I help all the time is surrounded by gentiles like me. They picked him off the street, bought him a trailor, paid his bills, they continually stock his food.

It is an unbelievable sight. He lives in a community called,'' Shiloh.''

There are about 8 of us, 8 different gentile Christians who are all different denominations.

I just came back from his house and somebody had installed a new a.c.

We all continue to help this man because we found out that by helping him, we are blessed.

If the outcome and the end shows the whole world blessing Israel, then isn't the one who did it willingly of his own heart better off than the whole world, when the world finds out that they should bless them?

Buying oil is a remarkable thing, and you do it buy healing the wounds of the people whom the whole world has hated and tried to kill.

zeke37 · Jul 20, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
This is the one subject that I will never understand among Christians.

This subject is nothing new.

Common knowledge among Jews would never wonder about what it means to be marked on the forehead and right hand.

Ex13, Deut6, 11

But I always see Christians talking about it like its going to be an actual mark or something.

lol, the bible explains itself if we actually look.

I always see Christians talking about it as if it never existed before Revelation was written, when in fact, it was the biggest tradition known amongst Jews and how to get the mark. Jesus also talk about this tradition of marking one's forehead and right hand.

But I see all these people acting as if somebody is going to get a stamp and make you take the stamp on your forehead.

That's just not the case, and it has never been the case.

A person is marked by what holidays they celebrate and that has ALWAYS been the mark.

not only that, but also by keeping the rest of the instructions
that surround the info found in Ex13, Deut6 and 11

What you celebrate defines you, and when you keep God's Sabbath and his Passover, you receive a mark in your forehead and right hand.

This has always been the sign between God and his people, but then I see people talking about a mark of the beast like its some new thing that has never been around.

It has always been around and people have always been marked.

yep...
AND it has to do with remembering where we came from....out of Egypt etc.

ancientsoul · Jul 22, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
It can be like that for anybody, anywhere, anytime.

I tell people to test God all the time and never stop testing him.
If a person learns what it means to truly tithe to truly needy people, and to be as a house of bread to the wandering soul, He will be continually blessed because he continually tests God.

You can't out give God and he will prove it to anyone at anytime. Money will literally drop from the sky. Everywhere you turn, there will be a blessing and coincidence will be your middle name.

People will ask you why everything lands in your lap, and then they will look at you like your an idiot when you go and give money to a Crippled Jew that has no relation to you.

They will tell you how stupid you are, and they will say that you should have kept the money or given it to your family.

Any month I can, I'll take most of my monthly check and put it towards God and I'll just sit back and giggle at the expectations and wonder at what is going to happen.

Blessings fall from heaven without ceasing.

here's my problem Hannibal ... you constantly slide in things that are not quite the whole truth ... or just undo the truth a tad little smideon ... with those words you gave the go ahead to test God any time they please ... no stipulation on what or anything ... just test Him all the time ... you and i both know that there are those that won't 'assume' you meant test the tithe (which this isn't a tithe your teaching, anyway) ... and even then it's iffy to say test Him all the time ... there is life and death in words, Hannibal ... it's of utmost importance to not say anything that might cause another to stumble or fall ... God does have a limit on testing Him ... at some point He will say enough ... again this isn't a tithing thread and i see no reason testing Him should even be here ...

back to Jesus teachings ... AGAIN ... I BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAYS ... there is a lot of really good and valuable stuff you've given us to wade through ... problerm is it keeps getting filtered with these ever so 'little' untruths, IMHO ... a gentle tweaking of scripture ... if one teaches to test God every chance you get ... what about this scripture ... remember you didn't say about anything in particular ... just you can't outgive Him ... i believe i remember a scripture where He says to tithe ... to test Him on the tithe ... is this what you're standing on here ... i don't recall Him saying test over and over and over ... not there or anywhere else ...

Luke 4:12 ... the temptation of Jesus ... And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

again a first teaching of Christ ..

some more ....

Deuteronomy 6:16 ... Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Mas'-sah.

Matthew 4:7 ... the temptation of Jesus ... Then Jesus said unto him, It is written again, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

1 Corinthians 10:9 ... Israel: a warning example ...Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpemts.

Exodus 17:2,7 ... water miraculously supplied ... Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore you tempt the Lord? ... And he called the name of the place of Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the Lord, saying, Is the Lord among us or not?

i can speak for myself here ... at some point i started wondering if the Lord was with us in your posts ... because I can't see Him in your posts the Way i know Him ... my bigger thought is ... how many reading this are wondering if they really have the Lord with them becuase of what you are teachng ... how many will have doubt in their Salvation ... you keep saying you aren't teachiing another way to be saved ... but every time you teach we must serve a Jew and sacrifice to a Jew i... IN THIS PARABLE ... haven't looked elsewhere in your posts ... then i believe it is easy to interpret your interpretation as not being saved because they can't go in the Door (which is Jesus) unless they go buy oil ... which you claim is sacrificing to a Jew and serving Him ... I'm saying that IS NOT true in the context you are giving it ... maybe somewhere else ... i wouldn't know where to look ... but your teaching is NOT true in my opinion ... because ... you are applying it instead of Jesus ... in your interpretation you make serving the Jew and sacrificing to him the requirement ... sorry, but the requirement is Jesus ... He opens the door ... He IS the DOOR ...

see, Hannibal ... Christians who do believe in Jesus leasrn of Him and know what He would say when ... and it's the HOLY SPIRIT that guides us into the Truth as the Lord would have it, when the Lord would have it ... if someone is teaching a different set of rules ... then they are not teaching Jesus ... and how can one be a Christian without acknowledging Jesus ... again ... CAN'T ... because Christian means to follow Christ ... not a Jewish guy somewhere ... and not one who finds continuous fault with Christians ... no ... that is not building up the temple ... it is tearing it down ... we are the temple ... we should be careful not to scatter the sheep ... and the lambs ... then the lambs get picked off by the wolf ... scripture says so ... it also says the meaning of a watchman is the one who watches who comes in the gate ... and sounds the alarm ... well, i feel alarmed ... and i see your teaching as having the ability to split people in the fold ... not the kind of split you are teaching ... a division ... yeah, another thing Jesus teaches on ...

and the tares ... we're to be careful of them ... so while one is busy pulling up the wheat (my analogy of tearing up what Chrisitans are taught) how many tares are lost ... it works both ways ...

and where is the direct, simple teaching of what you teaching ... where is it taught by Him in HIS WORDS ... not yours ... most would agree that no babes will make it according to YOUR REQUIREMENTS ... and so much more ...

just sayin' ... if the Truth fits, where it ... if it don't ... one better get down to the bottom of why not ... and that's why i'm here ... your theory on the Door and who gets through ... screams at paying more attention ...

this thread ... to this point ... left things unfinished ... all i see is a bunch of Christians trying to understand why everything they ever understood is being turned upside down ... when someone teaches it should fall together WITH what one knows or enlighten more on what a person has learned ... it should not tear it down and restructure it ... leaving weveryone wondering ...

anyway ... and therefore ... i can't accept ANY of what you teach ... because this is still hanging here ... with big holes in it ...

when Jesus said it is done ... He meant it is done ... He fulfilled the law and He became the Way for all ...

notwithstanding those who didn't know 'they were supposed to sacrifice and serve a Jew' ... He became the Way for all ... and blood ordinaces were finished ...

because He became our Passover ... no one else ... we now take communion to honor Passover ... and Pentecost ... and the feast of the Tabernacles ... that is how we participate 'in the feast' ... period ... that is all that is required of us ...

1 Corinthian 5:7,8 ... moral standards ... Purge ut there fore old leaven. that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: ... Therefore let us keep the feast, NOT WITH OLD LEAVEN, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

He became our Passover ... He made the sacrifice ... to tell someone they have to do something other than what Jesus did here to get through the DOOR ... well, this person does NOT believe that to be true ... either we believe He made the sacrifice for us ... making the Way possible ... through TRUTH ... and the bread of sincerity ... Jesus is also the BREAD ...

or we don't ...

over and over you redirect our eyes from Jesus ... intentionally or not ... i believe not ... i just believe you just don't get it ... Jesus is all we need ... for real Jesus ... no other ... He says if there were more He would tell us ... where does He say in His Words that a babe could understand that we must turn from the door and go try to sacrifice and serve a Jew ...

nope ... those who don't know Him or have a relationship with Him are the ones with the issue ... they will try to find Him ... in the Word and whereever ... won't be available ... the latter rain is only available for those who bothered with the former rain ... and even then ...

Isaiah 41:17 ... the final restoration of Israel ... When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel WILL NOT FORSAKE THEM.

water ... 4325 ... spring ... He is the Living Water

poor ... 6041 ... depressed (fig) in mind (gentle) or circumstances (needy espec, saintly ... humble, lowly, meek ...

needy ... 34 ... in the sense of want (especially in feeling) destitute ...from 14 ...

breathe after, i.e. (fig) to be acquiescent - consent, rest content, will, be willing ...

Isaiah 40:20 ... He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.

poor in spirit ... not understanding ... Jesus says He will save even the one who chooses the wrong tree ... due to lack of knowledge ...

He says He won't leave nor forsake us ... even when we make a mistake He will save us ... He knows the intent of our heart and that we never intended to make a mistake ... we can't live by the law alone ... period ... no one makes it that way ... forgiveness, grace, and mercy ... they must be added to the law ... and so it was ... i believe i don't serve a God who would destroy His people (deny them the Door) because of some teaching they never heard before (strange doctrine) ... a teaching that does not teach to Christians ... we rest in Jesus ... we take comfort in Jesus ... why ye strive to undo that ...

you see, i do honor the feasts ... just not the way you think i should ... one should never judge another's Salvation ... one doesn't have all the info ... God does ... and He judges considering the INTENT of the heart ...

you say you aren't teaching salvation ... in your words to everyone over and over 'are you sure' ... cuz i'm not sure you aren't ... and i'm confident others might see you teaching this as salvation ... i.e. another way in the in place of the actual DOOR ...

Jesus says He will make us fishers of men ... why ye beat us over the head with the pole ...

Jesus is our Passover
Jesus is our Sabbath ... i.e. who we rest in ...
Jesus is the Way ...
Jesus is the Door ...
Jesus is the Bread ...

and more ... He is sufficent ... if there were more He would tell us ...

i asked you who you say Jesus is ... you say it comes down to either you believe what He says or you don't ... that's not an answer, Hannibal ... that's a way not to answer ... and turning it and saying if I don't believe what Jesus says i shouold ask myslef why ... well, again ... just an evasion ...

so Hannibal ... are you a Christ follower or are you not ... yea or nay ...

cuz one sure can't tell ... not even from your icon ... you say elsewhere you are a Christian because you live in Israel ... or however you worded it (that's the essemce of your words ... you live in Israel so you are a Christian) ... actually, residents of Israel are Israelites ... could be Jewish ... could be Christian ... could be the others who are occupying it that don't have aright to ... so being a resident of Israel could well mean you are a Palestinian or a who knows what ... just living somewhere doesn't determine your religion or if you are a Christian or not ... just as living in the U.S. doesn't mean you are a Christian ...

Christians aren't taught to beat each other into falling from Salvation ...

so just how many doors are there, Hannibal ... the one in the parable? the real Door? or do we need to go open another door before we get through THE DOOR ... not anywhere do i see that as Truth ...

there is no other Way through the Door than Jesus, Himself ... not to a real Christ follower there isn't ... just askin' ... cuz,ya just make one wonder ...

yedida · Jul 22, 2013

ancientsoul said:
here's my problem Hannibal ... you constantly slide in things that are not quite the whole truth ... or just undo the truth a tad little smideon ... with those words you gave the go ahead to test God any time they please ... no stipulation on what or anything ... just test Him all the time ... you and i both know that there are those that won't 'assume' you meant test the tithe (which this isn't a tithe your teaching, anyway) ... and even then it's iffy to say test Him all the time ... there is life and death in words, Hannibal ... it's of utmost importance to not say anything that might cause another to stumble or fall ... God does have a limit on testing Him ... at some point He will say enough ... again this isn't a tithing thread and i see no reason testing Him should even be here ...

back to Jesus teachings ... AGAIN ... I BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAYS ... there is a lot of really good and valuable stuff you've given us to wade through ... problerm is it keeps getting filtered with these ever so 'little' untruths, IMHO ... a gentle tweaking of scripture ... if one teaches to test God every chance you get ... what about this scripture ... remember you didn't say about anything in particular ... just you can't outgive Him ... i believe i remember a scripture where He says to tithe ... to test Him on the tithe ... is this what you're standing on here ... i don't recall Him saying test over and over and over ... not there or anywhere else ...

Luke 4:12 ... the temptation of Jesus ... And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

again a first teaching of Christ ..

some more ....

Deuteronomy 6:16 ... Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Mas'-sah.

Matthew 4:7 ... the temptation of Jesus ... Then Jesus said unto him, It is written again, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

1 Corinthians 10:9 ... Israel: a warning example ...Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpemts.

Exodus 17:2,7 ... water miraculously supplied ... Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore you tempt the Lord? ... And he called the name of the place of Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the Lord, saying, Is the Lord among us or not?

i can speak for myself here ... at some point i started wondering if the Lord was with us in your posts ... because I can't see Him in your posts the Way i know Him ... my bigger thought is ... how many reading this are wondering if they really have the Lord with them becuase of what you are teachng ... how many will have doubt in their Salvation ... you keep saying you aren't teachiing another way to be saved ... but every time you teach we must serve a Jew and sacrifice to a Jew i... IN THIS PARABLE ... haven't looked elsewhere in your posts ... then i believe it is easy to interpret your interpretation as not being saved because they can't go in the Door (which is Jesus) unless they go buy oil ... which you claim is sacrificing to a Jew and serving Him ... I'm saying that IS NOT true in the context you are giving it ... maybe somewhere else ... i wouldn't know where to look ... but your teaching is NOT true in my opinion ... because ... you are applying it instead of Jesus ... in your interpretation you make serving the Jew and sacrificing to him the requirement ... sorry, but the requirement is Jesus ... He opens the door ... He IS the DOOR ...

see, Hannibal ... Christians who do believe in Jesus leasrn of Him and know what He would say when ... and it's the HOLY SPIRIT that guides us into the Truth as the Lord would have it, when the Lord would have it ... if someone is teaching a different set of rules ... then they are not teaching Jesus ... and how can one be a Christian without acknowledging Jesus ... again ... CAN'T ... because Christian means to follow Christ ... not a Jewish guy somewhere ... and not one who finds continuous fault with Christians ... no ... that is not building up the temple ... it is tearing it down ... we are the temple ... we should be careful not to scatter the sheep ... and the lambs ... then the lambs get picked off by the wolf ... scripture says so ... it also says the meaning of a watchman is the one who watches who comes in the gate ... and sounds the alarm ... well, i feel alarmed ... and i see your teaching as having the ability to split people in the fold ... not the kind of split you are teaching ... a division ... yeah, another thing Jesus teaches on ...

and the tares ... we're to be careful of them ... so while one is busy pulling up the wheat (my analogy of tearing up what Chrisitans are taught) how many tares are lost ... it works both ways ...

and where is the direct, simple teaching of what you teaching ... where is it taught by Him in HIS WORDS ... not yours ... most would agree that no babes will make it according to YOUR REQUIREMENTS ... and so much more ...

just sayin' ... if the Truth fits, where it ... if it don't ... one better get down to the bottom of why not ... and that's why i'm here ... your theory on the Door and who gets through ... screams at paying more attention ...

this thread ... to this point ... left things unfinished ... all i see is a bunch of Christians trying to understand why everything they ever understood is being turned upside down ... when someone teaches it should fall together WITH what one knows or enlighten more on what a person has learned ... it should not tear it down and restructure it ... leaving weveryone wondering ...

anyway ... and therefore ... i can't accept ANY of what you teach ... because this is still hanging here ... with big holes in it ...

when Jesus said it is done ... He meant it is done ... He fulfilled the law and He became the Way for all ...

notwithstanding those who didn't know 'they were supposed to sacrifice and serve a Jew' ... He became the Way for all ... and blood ordinaces were finished ...

because He became our Passover ... no one else ... we now take communion to honor Passover ... and Pentecost ... and the feast of the Tabernacles ... that is how we participate 'in the feast' ... period ... that is all that is required of us ...

1 Corinthian 5:7,8 ... moral standards ... Purge ut there fore old leaven. that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: ... Therefore let us keep the feast, NOT WITH OLD LEAVEN, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

He became our Passover ... He made the sacrifice ... to tell someone they have to do something other than what Jesus did here to get through the DOOR ... well, this person does NOT believe that to be true ... either we believe He made the sacrifice for us ... making the Way possible ... through TRUTH ... and the bread of sincerity ... Jesus is also the BREAD ...

or we don't ...

over and over you redirect our eyes from Jesus ... intentionally or not ... i believe not ... i just believe you just don't get it ... Jesus is all we need ... for real Jesus ... no other ... He says if there were more He would tell us ... where does He say in His Words that a babe could understand that we must turn from the door and go try to sacrifice and serve a Jew ...

nope ... those who don't know Him or have a relationship with Him are the ones with the issue ... they will try to find Him ... in the Word and whereever ... won't be available ... the latter rain is only available for those who bothered with the former rain ... and even then ...

Isaiah 41:17 ... the final restoration of Israel ... When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel WILL NOT FORSAKE THEM.

water ... 4325 ... spring ... He is the Living Water

poor ... 6041 ... depressed (fig) in mind (gentle) or circumstances (needy espec, saintly ... humble, lowly, meek ...

needy ... 34 ... in the sense of want (especially in feeling) destitute ...from 14 ...

breathe after, i.e. (fig) to be acquiescent - consent, rest content, will, be willing ...

Isaiah 40:20 ... He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.

poor in spirit ... not understanding ... Jesus says He will save even the one who chooses the wrong tree ... due to lack of knowledge ...

He says He won't leave nor forsake us ... even when we make a mistake He will save us ... He knows the intent of our heart and that we never intended to make a mistake ... we can't live by the law alone ... period ... no one makes it that way ... forgiveness, grace, and mercy ... they must be added to the law ... and so it was ... i believe i don't serve a God who would destroy His people (deny them the Door) because of some teaching they never heard before (strange doctrine) ... a teaching that does not teach to Christians ... we rest in Jesus ... we take comfort in Jesus ... why ye strive to undo that ...

you see, i do honor the feasts ... just not the way you think i should ... one should never judge another's Salvation ... one doesn't have all the info ... God does ... and He judges considering the INTENT of the heart ...

you say you aren't teaching salvation ... in your words to everyone over and over 'are you sure' ... cuz i'm not sure you aren't ... and i'm confident others might see you teaching this as salvation ... i.e. another way in the in place of the actual DOOR ...

Jesus says He will make us fishers of men ... why ye beat us over the head with the pole ...

Jesus is our Passover
Jesus is our Sabbath ... i.e. who we rest in ...
Jesus is the Way ...
Jesus is the Door ...
Jesus is the Bread ...

and more ... He is sufficent ... if there were more He would tell us ...

i asked you who you say Jesus is ... you say it comes down to either you believe what He says or you don't ... that's not an answer, Hannibal ... that's a way not to answer ... and turning it and saying if I don't believe what Jesus says i shouold ask myslef why ... well, again ... just an evasion ...

so Hannibal ... are you a Christ follower or are you not ... yea or nay ...

cuz one sure can't tell ... not even from your icon ... you say elsewhere you are a Christian because you live in Israel ... or however you worded it (that's the essemce of your words ... you live in Israel so you are a Christian) ... actually, residents of Israel are Israelites ... could be Jewish ... could be Christian ... could be the others who are occupying it that don't have aright to ... so being a resident of Israel could well mean you are a Palestinian or a who knows what ... just living somewhere doesn't determine your religion or if you are a Christian or not ... just as living in the U.S. doesn't mean you are a Christian ...

Christians aren't taught to beat each other into falling from Salvation ...

so just how many doors are there, Hannibal ... the one in the parable? the real Door? or do we need to go open another door before we get through THE DOOR ... not anywhere do i see that as Truth ...

there is no other Way through the Door than Jesus, Himself ... not to a real Christ follower there isn't ... just askin' ... cuz,ya just make one wonder ...

I can see you are very perturbed, confused. I pray Hashem's shalom cover you completely in this. :pray:

HannibalFlavius · Jul 22, 2013

ancientsoul said:
so just how many doors are there, Hannibal ... the one in the parable? the real Door? or do we need to go open another door before we get through THE DOOR ... not anywhere do i see that as Truth ...

there is no other Way through the Door than Jesus, Himself ... not to a real Christ follower there isn't ... just askin' ... cuz,ya just make one wonder ...

I am the way, the truth, and the life.

These are 3 entrances into the Temple.

I don't guess at this, its Temple design.

There are 3 veils, and Jesus is these veils.

These are 3 progressive steps to 3 doors.

I don't know what else to tell you but to study Temple design, law, and ritual and begin looking for Jewish idioms.

ancientsoul · Jul 22, 2013

yedida said:
I can see you are very perturbed, confused. I pray Hashem's shalom cover you completely in this.

while prayer is good ... i would request you don't put labels on me ... i am in NO way confused and am not perplexed ... those are not of the Lord ... i know exactly what i'm saying ...

ancientsoul · Jul 22, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
I am the way, the truth, and the life.

These are 3 entrances into the Temple.

I don't guess at this, its Temple design.

There are 3 veils, and Jesus is these veils.

These are 3 progressive steps to 3 doors.

I don't know what else to tell you but to study Temple design, law, and ritual and begin looking for Jewish idioms.

again, that is, indeed what scripture says ... i ask you who Jesus is to you ... not what it says ... what the Spirit speaks to YOU ...

and still no yea and no nay ... i don't need to study the temple design to know what is Truth and what isn't ... i need to LISTEN and HEAR what the Lord sayeth ... and what He wouldn't say ... and then i can SEE where to apply it ... THROUGH the HOLY SPIRIT ... NOT through the law ... we don't see through the law ...we hear through the law ...

Revelation 3:20 ... Revelation 3:16-20 ...

comment: our heart is the Door where Jesus stands ... if we hear that ever so gentle knock ... and we hear ... and we come and learn of Him ... when we knock on the Door ... He opens it and we go in and sup with Him i.e. receive more of His Spirit that pours on you due to your obedience when He calls ...

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.

there's that yeah, nay thing again ... no sitting on the fence ... no just remembering Him on Sunday ... He must be our focus, our priority, and our place of rest ... daily ... all day ... every day ... one can't be lukewarm and know much of anything ... lukewarm = neither here nor there with it all ... we rest in Him daily ... He is our Sabbath ... we honor Him with worship and praise ... and obedience ... one must have a relationship with Him ... not just hear about Him ... one has to be made clean ... not just assume they are ... IN CHRIST ... we are washed clean by the blood of the Lamb ...

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Hosea 12:8 ... Ephraim's sins rebuked by God ... And Ephraim said, Yet I am become rich, I have found me out substance: in all my labors they shall find no more iniquity in me that were sin.

Hosea 13:6 ... Ephraim's destruction foretold ... According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.

Psalm 62:10 ... God is my rock and my salvation ... Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart on them.

comment: become not foolish in oppressing others ...

Hosea 4:8 ... the Lord's contreversy with Israel ... They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

comment: chastize and punish ...

Hosea 14:1 ... Israel entreated to return to the Lord ... O Israel, return unto the Lord thy God: for thu hast fallen by thine iniquity.

Joel 2:13 ... call to repentence and fasting ... And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

18 ... I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in fire, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy naked-ness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

well, we've hashed this one over before so i'm going to try to be brief here ... our belief and faith must be tried ... hope that's not too simplified ...

19 ... As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

... He loves ... and knows what's best ... us we must be willing through faith to be tried and tested and chastened and rebuked ... willing to have our own understanding replaced with His ... to learn of Truth in the Spirit ... to be washed clean by the blood of the Lamb ...

20 ... Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Luke 12:37 ... seek ye first the kingdom og God ... Jesus saith ... Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily, I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

they are watching for Him ... i thas nothing to do with they didn't go serve someone or sacrifice unto them ... does not say that anywhere in these verses ... only that faith and belief are required ... and that they are virgins .i.e. pure in heart and faithful to the Lord ... that's all ... nothing about whoring around with evil deeds under their belt ...

Matthew 24:26 ... Jesus saith ... Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behod, he is in secret chambers; believe it not.

truly, Hannibal are you saying there are other chambers???????

Matthew 24:43-46 ... no man knows the day and the faithful servant ... But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the theif would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefor be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is the servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find doing.

FIRST you must seek Him ... the foolish virgins have no idea who He is to recogognize His voice ... they wouldn't know His call if they did hear it ... they have no idea of what Truth is ... only what they have heard and believe ... of their own understanding ... they have no idea what they are to be watching for ... or even that they are to be watching ... they are not whoring around with the enemy sinning every sin he pushes ... they are still faithful to God and Jesus ... they just wouldn't see or hear Him coming ... how could they ... they did not seek the kingdom ...

whether or not there is more doors to OTHER CHAMBERS or not ... has nothing to do with the parable of the ten virgins ... the only way it could apply is in this sense THE DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN TO THOSE WHO HEAR HIS CALL ... and He is still THE DOOR ...

Revelation 16:15 ... Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

2 Corinthians 5:1-3 ... ministers of reconcilliation ... speaking THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS AND SALVATION FOR ALL ... For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

Jesus exposes the things in our hearts to us in HIS time ... and does a work in us ... we can't do anything on our own that will get us through the DOOR ... because He IS the DOOR ... there is no way around that ...

Song of Solomon ... the maiden considers ... I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my siter, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.

undefiled: did NOT go whoring around with the enemy ...

Luke 12:38 ... And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

those who are faithful and obedient to the Lord will be blessed ...

John 14:23 ... the promise of the Holy Spirit ... Jesus answered unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

it's all about a personal relationship with Him ..

Hosea 6:6 ... Israel's insincere repentence ... For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

He wants that we know Him ... He is not complicated ... He loves us and wants a relationship ... just as a mother who longs for her children taken captive ... just as the father whose son turns on Him ... He wants us to have all He has ... but really ... should He really be expected to just fork it over to those who won't even know Him ... it's His to do with as He pleases ... and it pleases Him that we should honor Him and obey Him ... and LOVE Him with all our hearts ... and love others with all our hearts ...

we ought not endeavor to remove others garments ... we ought not tell another he is not worthy yet ...

jmho

ancientsoul · Jul 22, 2013

the Lord promises me i will not be ashamed i.e. confused ... some more verses ...

Romans 10:11 ... righteousness is by faith in Christ ... For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

ashamed = confused ...

Isaiah 28:16 ... JERUSALEM warned ... Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

make haste = be forced to flee ...

Genesis 49:24 ... Jacob's prophecy concerning his sons ... but his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel

Psalm 118:22 ...thanksgiving for the Lord's salvation ... The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

Matthew 21:24 ... Jesus establishes His authority ... And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which is if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.

Acts 4:11 ... Peter before the high priest ... This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the heaqd corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Romans 9:33 ... the Jew and the gospel ... As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

again ... ashamed = confused ...

Ephesians 2:20-22 ... the unity of believers ... And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself among the chief cornerstone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.

1 Peter 2:6-8 ... Christ the living stone ... Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious; and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made head of the corner, and a stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient; whereunto also they were appointed.

we can't just skip over Jesus ... i trust the Lord to justify me ... i know i can't ...

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