Advice on alternative to Daily Office

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I'm posting because I need some advice on prayer options.

I have tried praying the Daily Office in various ways. I've prayed it from the 1559 Prayer Book, the 1928 Prayer Book, and Rites I and II from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer. I succeed for a while, but it doesn't stick often because I don't have time, I go to school, I'm too tired, didn't get up early enough, that kind of thing. My 1979 prayer book doesn't even have the right lectionary in it, and the new lectionary is confusing, it has too many readings.

A member of my parish who is converting to Eastern Orthodoxy gave me a little book called A Manual of the Hours of the Orthodox Church, Compiled by Archimandrite Cherubim Monastery of the Paraclete, Attica, Greece.

It contains Vespers, Compline, Midnight Service, Matins, First Hour, Third Hour, Sixth Hour, and Ninth Hour along with additional prayers and hymns. These are in abbreviated form, I don't have to look up anything in the lectionary, and it is short enough for me to pray many if not all of them in a day. It's just a lot easier and breaks up my day better than the Daily Office from the Book of Common Prayer, but serves the same purpose.

Is it appropriate for me to pray this Orthodox manual of the Hours instead of the Daily Office in my personal prayer life since I actually pray it more and pray more often? I don't think it's a problem with the Eastern Orthodox since I attend my parish member's interest group meetings on Orthodoxy. A few Orthodox people attend, and we all pray Compline from this manual together before leaving.
 

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I do not see why it would be a problem.

There might be things you could do to make the BCP work for you though. If you are not going to do the readings with the Orthodox book, you could just leave them out with the BCP too, or just use the psalms.

Or, just use the old lectionary if that is easier.

I am not so familiar with the American book, but in the Canadian book there is also a section called Forms of Prayer to be Used in Families. It has a much shorter version of morning and evening prayers that you might find easier to deal with. I might try that along with Compline, and maybe using the BCP outline fore daily reading of the psalms (the one that has you go through them once a month.)

In any case, look through the other sections of the book, it has always been possible to adapt things for your own personal circumstances.
 
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Thank you, great advice.

Wigglesworth, yes, that is the one, exactly. What I like about it is that it somehow feels more "Anglican-friendly" than other options I tried with figuring out how to enhance my prayer life in some way. As an example, I tried praying a Compline service from a Roman Catholic prayer book and couldn't figure it out, and it involved lots of page-flipping, very different from the Book of Common Prayer, and that was supposed to be one of the more simple ones, too. (On the other hand, I also have a Manual of Anglo-Catholic devotion that's pretty much useless to me except for a couple of prayers and devotions because it is so complicated.) The Compline prayers from the Orthodox manual and the other hours, even in the abbreviated format, contain much more scripture, more like the Daily Office and other prayers of the Anglican prayer books.
 
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I don't see anything wrong in doing that, but I can't imagine how it could be less time consuming than MP and EP in the BCP--which were intended to be used by laypersons for the purpose you intend and which incorporate several each of the hours of the Monastic offices.
 
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I don't see anything wrong in doing that, but I can't imagine how it could be less time consuming than MP and EP in the BCP--which were intended to be used by laypersons for the purpose you intend and which incorporate several each of the hours of the Monastic offices.

I think he is looking for something a lot shorter. I can appreciate that, since I have had kids I have pretty much switched to family prayers, mostly because it is shorter. The readings make the biggest difference.
 
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I don't see anything wrong in doing that, but I can't imagine how it could be less time consuming than MP and EP in the BCP--which were intended to be used by laypersons for the purpose you intend and which incorporate several each of the hours of the Monastic offices.

It is a lot shorter, it is in an abbreviated form, and it doesn't require lectionary readings. It does require more frequent prayer throughout the day depending on if one wants to do all seven readings. I rarely do all seven in a day, but even with more frequent prayer times, it is easier when they are shorter. For me, it works out best to have shorter prayers more frequently.

Other prayers and devotions I perform can be said while I am doing chores or in any spare time I have to spend at my home altar.
 
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It is a lot shorter, it is in an abbreviated form, and it doesn't require lectionary readings. It does require more frequent prayer throughout the day depending on if one wants to do all seven readings. I rarely do all seven in a day, but even with more frequent prayer times, it is easier when they are shorter. For me, it works out best to have shorter prayers more frequently.

Other prayers and devotions I perform can be said while I am doing chores or in any spare time I have to spend at my home altar.

Yes, I fully understand the lectionary issue. ;)

I guess I just happen to have particular fondness for the BCP and always have; but if you use this alternative, I can't think of any reason for anyone to conclude that it could be wrong to do.
 
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If you want to try the Catholic Liturgy of the Hours, a great site (which has an iTunes podcast) is:
Divine Office - Liturgy of the Hours - Breviary - Free Audio - Bible - Prayer

It has full audio for all the offices with multiple people doing the prayers so that you get the actual prayer-response format, and they integrate hymns into the hours. If you do only the Morning and Evening prayer, there aren't any lengthy Lectionary readings. It tends to be about 14-18 minutes for each. The full text is on the site or you can buy the print books for about $100. There's not much that is explicitly Catholic in just the daily Morning and Evening prayer; every so often there will be an office for a former Pope or something but you can just choose the regular office of the day instead.
 
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It's good to see there are so many options! Thanks again everyone.

Yes, I fully understand the lectionary issue. ;)

I guess I just happen to have particular fondness for the BCP and always have; but if you use this alternative, I can't think of any reason for anyone to conclude that it could be wrong to do.

Yes, I know what you mean. I love the BCP, too. Perhaps on days when I have more time I can still do the longer Morning and Evening prayer services from the BCP or some other Anglican alternative.
 
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It's good to see there are so many options! Thanks again everyone.



Yes, I know what you mean. I love the BCP, too. Perhaps on days when I have more time I can still do the longer Morning and Evening prayer services from the BCP or some other Anglican alternative.

I'm sure you are aiming not to abbreviate too much, but IMO what MKJ suggested makes a lot of sense, too--family prayer (pages 592 & 593 of the 1928 book, supplemented with prayers from the section that follows).
 
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The 1979 BCP versions of the MP and EP have a lot of options -- you can skip anything that says "may" (which is at least half of the prayers). Also the BCP isn't some binding contract; you can ignore the lectionary, or just choose one reading, or choose your own short reading. Same thing with the psalms -- if even the 7-week cycle in the lectionary is too much, you can just read one psalm or half a psalm.
 
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Not sure if this would help at all...but there's a product from Forward Movement called Hour by Hour. It has each of the four main daily offices for each day of the week (for 28 services total). They are all quite abbreviated and have the Scripture reading inline. I find it a very good option for someone who wants to try and pray frequently without a lot of time to spend. It's also a compact book and good for someone on the go.

Hour by Hour : Forward Movement — Reinvigorating the life of the church
 
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I have used the Anglican Breviary online, combined with a tablet it's very useful and it doesn't take too long, especially if you choose the "bare bones" selection.

The 1979 BCP has a selection of even shorter prayers to say by laity, and Phylis Tickle's book, The Divine Hours
is also something I've used and the prayers are short and shouldn't be a problem if you are pressed for time.
 
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I also tried the morning prayer from the 1979 BCP and found it very confusing from the start, wasn't entirely sure what I was looking at. I did find (and I'll post the link when I'm not at work) a precompiled ready to go version for the month of September. When I prayed it, it just didn't reverberate with me at all.

When I discovered the Agepya, the Book of Hours for the Coptic Orthodox Church, I was immeditately in love. Besides the fact that it is a lot more straight forward the prayers stirred something up in me.

So yeah I think I might just be an Agepya praying, Catholic Rosary reciting Episcopalian :p.
 
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I also tried the morning prayer from the 1979 BCP and found it very confusing from the start, wasn't entirely sure what I was looking at.
I'm not surprised. Is there some reason you didn't try the historic Book of Common Prayer (1549-1928) instead? When the modernistic 1979 alternative book was produced (by one Anglican province only), that was one of the main objections to it--that as a coherent series of readings, it's a mess.
 
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