What did the country learn from the Zimmerman trial?

bhsmte · Jul 15, 2013

Panzerkampfwagen said:
I followed this case pretty closely, and I'm not even sure if they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Martin is dead. I'm also not sure that the prosecution even proved that Zimmerman killed Martin (i.e. by evidence other than his own statements, such as a ballistic comparison of the bullets in his gun)

Basically, the prosecution would have had to show that Zimmerman had the gun in his hand at the time that he fired the shot, that he hit Martin, that his shot caused Martin's death, and that Martin actually was the person that he shot.

There's probably more, but it would be deliciously amusing if the jury returned their verdict because the prosecution didn't enter facts into evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Martin is dead.

That's an excellent summary.

Remember, though, the jury is only allowed to consider facts entered into evidence.

I've been saying that since the beginning, too. And I happen to agree.

For further justice, this is what needs to happen:

-The justice department to announce no grounds for civil rights charges (the FBI has already investigated and after 40 witnesses, found nothing)
-If Martin's file a wrongful death suit, a judge to grant immunity to Zimmerman
-Angela Corey and the state of Florida to be investigated for malicious prosecution

MachZer0 · Jul 15, 2013

bhsmte said:
For further justice, this is what needs to happen:

-The justice department to announce no grounds for civil rights charges (the FBI has already investigated and after 40 witnesses, found nothing)
-If Martin's file a wrongful death suit, a judge to grant immunity to Zimmerman
-Angela Corey and the state of Florida to be investigated for malicious prosecution

The Justice dept really has no jurisdiction to charge a private citizen with a civil rights violation. The Justice Dept should be investigating Angela Corey, as you said, not George Zimmerman

PreachersWife2004 · Jul 15, 2013

I learned that some of my facebook friends are brainwashed idiots who will never ever see equality while they're alive because they're too busy listening to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson. I've been told that as a white woman I can't possibly know what it's like to lose a 17 year old baby with his life ahead of him. One of my friends even told me that I needed to back off because she, like most of the African American population were ticked off over this injustice. And what did I say that prompted that? Here's how the convo went:

Her: Anyone who says that Trayvon deserved to be shot deserves to get that same bullet in their chest. A 17 year old child does not deserve to die.

Me: But yet you have no issues with saying that someone deserves to die because of a stupid opinion. How are you any better?

Her: [I have to paraphrase because the post was riddled with profanity] I'm a mad black woman so back off and don't be giving me that (crap) right now.

Ha. I love the hypocrisy. How dare Zimmerman shoot and kill someone who was beating him up, but hey - you idiots with stupid opinions DO deserve to die.

Vylo · Jul 15, 2013

MachZer0 said:
Why should you have to let someone kill you just because you shoved them?

First, you don't. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be held legally liable. You started the conflict.

Secondly, none of the people in the 3 main cases had reason to fear for their lives.

sniperelite7 · Jul 15, 2013

PreachersWife2004 said:
-snip-

Essentially facebook. I was called a racist and a bigot for daring to suggest that race has become irrelevant, and that the attempts to label a hispanic as a white racist where the dying breathes of a group of people who have built up their identity as victims.

Bedford · Jul 15, 2013

Yes, I call all the people I know and consider friends idiots because they believe different than me. I deleted them all because each and every one had some belief that differed from mine. This is unacceptable, and their friendships were disposable. Same goes for the relatives. I am right and they are history.

rambot · Jul 15, 2013

What did the country learn from that trial? Pffft....what has your country ever learned from a high profile case?
Those who agree, do so vehemently; those that disagree, do so vehemently; No matter how under informed or muddy their knowledge of the matter may be.

[serious] · Jul 15, 2013

EdwinWillers said:
Well for one, I'm sick and tired of being automatically labeled "racist" and "hater" for merely being someone who isn't of color.

One thing I think we've all learned from this is just how hateful, vengeful, spiteful, and thoroughly racist and bigoted *some* in our black community are. Sadly, they are so hatefully represented by a black leadership with ulterior motives of its own that are wholly divorced from concern for the good of their own people.

I hope someday the black community will be better served by rational men and women who aren't bigots, who aren't virulently racist, who aren't haters of the most evil sort.

As a person who isn't of color, I have not experienced this. Perhaps there is another reason you are being accused like this.

Bedford · Jul 15, 2013

[serious];63587888 said:
As a person who isn't of color, I have not experienced this. Perhaps there is another reason you are being accused like this.

I am called bad things from republicans, never from blacks, and I am caucasian. I think my colored friends see my inner soul.

[serious] · Jul 15, 2013

sniperelite7 said:
Essentially facebook. I was called a racist and a bigot for daring to suggest that race has become irrelevant, and that the attempts to label a hispanic as a white racist where the dying breathes of a group of people who have built up their identity as victims.

You can be hispanic and white. You can be hispanic and racist. Hence, you can be a hispanic white racist.

Vylo · Jul 16, 2013

sniperelite7 said:
Essentially facebook. I was called a racist and a bigot for daring to suggest that race has become irrelevant, and that the attempts to label a hispanic as a white racist where the dying breathes of a group of people who have built up their identity as victims.

Anyone can be racists. A lot of minorities are racist too.

PreachersWife2004 · Jul 16, 2013

Bedford said:
Yes, I call all the people I know and consider friends idiots because they believe different than me. I deleted them all because each and every one had some belief that differed from mine. This is unacceptable, and their friendships were disposable. Same goes for the relatives. I am right and they are history.

If this is a dig at me, you failed miserably. I've never given up on friends or deleted them because their opinion was different than mine.

[serious];63587967 said:
You can be hispanic and white. You can be hispanic and racist. Hence, you can be a hispanic white racist.

Never before had I heard the term "white hispanic" until this whole farce. It's not on any job application I've ever filled out. It always says to choose between several, hispanic being one and white being another. It was a manufactured term after people realized this wasn't a case of whitey beating down a po' black boy.

Vylo · Jul 16, 2013

White hispanic has been a term for a long time. I saw it on forms 15 years ago.

bhsmte · Jul 16, 2013

Vylo said:
Anyone can be racists. A lot of minorities are racist too.

Americans Think Blacks Are More Racist: Poll - Rasmussen finds racial divide | More Newser News

MachZer0 · Jul 16, 2013

Vylo said:
White hispanic has been a term for a long time. I saw it on forms 15 years ago.

What I've heard is nonwhite Hispanic which implies there are white Hispanics, but I've never actually heard the term white Hispanic before

mandelduke · Jul 16, 2013

Vylo said:
White hispanic has been a term for a long time. I saw it on forms 15 years ago.

Please show one!

drew89 · Jul 16, 2013

bhsmte said:
Americans Think Blacks Are More Racist: Poll - Rasmussen finds racial divide | More Newser News

It's interesting that such a large percentage of blacks said most blacks are racist.

Vylo · Jul 16, 2013

mandelduke said:
Please show one!

I dont have a time machine, but you literally have to have been living under a rock, in a cave, at the bottom of the ocean not to have seen this on forms and surveys for at least 15 years now.

NightHawkeye · Jul 16, 2013

Vylo said:
I dont have a time machine, but you literally have to have been living under a rock, in a cave, at the bottom of the ocean not to have seen this on forms and surveys for at least 15 years now.

I've never seen it ... except on this forum.

mandelduke · Jul 16, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w5JbAO5_NMw

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime/

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html

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