I can accept that but I don't see how it really relates to my questions. From where are the standards by which you judge God to be "right" come?
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I can accept that but I don't see how it really relates to my questions. From where are the standards by which you judge God to be "right" come?
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In seven years here, I haven't answered a single question to you guys' satisfaction, and I'm not about to start now.
From the Holy Ghost, Who lives within me.
Can we drop the inquisition now?
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Sure, we've come a long way from "Might is right" though. Did you agree with the very first statement I replied to, that God could do whatever he liked because he had the power to?
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Those million American babies killed since 1973 went to Heaven, and if they could see you posting right now, I'm sure they would be praying for you.
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And where does that leave you when your god murders babies? An apologist for infanticide? Nice. If you hold that there is such a thing as right and wrong then there are no exceptions.
These are your problems to resolve, not mine. I'm just staggered that you are unable to see what you are showing about yourself and your belief system. Fundamentalism has no finer advert.
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God doesn't murder babies.
Fair enough.
We certainly wouldn't want you to end up understanding, would we?
Do you stagger easily?
I detect a sarcompliment here.
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No? Well, you could argue he usually has someone else do it for him I suppose, but the bible is fairly clear about him ordering the execution of lots of babies. It's difficult to think of a way of killing babies that isn't murder, but I expect you've managed to persuade yourself that your god was actually doing charitable works, bless his cotton socks.
I understand quite well thank-you, but you appear too blinded by whatever it is your religion has done to you to even care what you are saying.Fair enough.
We certainly wouldn't want you to end up understanding, would we?
When it comes to how stupid and low human beings can be, I really shouldn't be, but I'm still capable of being shocked, yes, which I regard as a good thing.
Remember those AIDS posters in the 80s 'Don't die of ignorance'? As an advert they got their message across very effectively. Everyone who saw them remembered the message and vowed not to make that mistake. Think of yourself (and a few others here) as a very effective ongoing fundamentalism awareness campaign.
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Each one will be judged according to his works. Since babies that die have done no evil works, I don't think they have too much to worry about. How about you?
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I have done no evil works either so I don't have much to worry about either, right?
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No.
No -- you could.
I would argue that He neither murders, nor orders murders to be committed.
Not difficult at all -- it's called abortion.
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He orders them to be killed then, as you baulk at the idea of your god murdering babies. He just orders them to be killed. There, that's much more palatable.
Not when they've already been born it isn't.
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I wouldn't expect you to understand, but for those who may be lurking and really care enough to know what others think, I say this:
For the record, it's not that God cut their lives short, it's that He allowed them to live in the first place.
Judges 3:1 Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan;
Judges 3:2 Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof;
God gave these people 430 years of advanced warning, as the testimony of Rahab the [wiser-than-you] harlot testified.
Oh, my -- let's chase the goalpost.
First you said this:
Then when I responded with an excellent example, you move the goalpost.
Well, that's your prerogative, because I see you struggling hard to keep yourself in the dark here.
It's easier to ridicule others' beliefs than to try to understand them, isn't it?
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No, it's that your god kills them in your bible. You can't get round mass baby killing whichever way you look at it.
So your loving, omniscient, omnipotent god comes up with a splendid plan: mass killing of babies. Oh yes, that makes everything perfectly fine. Commit an atrocity to make everything better. Hurrah, for your god. Oh, hang on a sec, it's not the act of an omniscient, omnipotent deity at all, it's the act of a psychopath. If in doubt, go on a killing spree. Way to go.
No, I understand your position perfectly. As far as you are concerned your god can kill babies, or anyone he wants to, and you will try and justify it. It's very simple.
And as has already been explained to you, pointing at something you don't like somewhere else does not make the stink in your own backyard smell any sweeter.
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Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear rikerjoe, Sin is "missing the Mark" of perfection. Thus doing evil works and sinning is the SAME thing. Notice also that the Truth is Capitalized. That's because Jesus IS the Truth. John - The Word Became Flesh - In the - Bible Gateway 14:6&version=KJV
In Love,
Aman
Jesus:>>1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us.
Dear rikerjoe, Sin is "missing the Mark" of perfection. Thus doing evil works and sinning is the SAME thing. Notice also that the Truth is Capitalized. That's because Jesus IS the Truth. John - The Word Became Flesh - In the - Bible Gateway 14:6&version=KJV
In Love,
Aman
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Originally Posted by Aman777
No. All "evil works" are sin, but not all sin is "evil works".
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