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Motor City Christian · Jul 9, 2013

Pastor James David Manning out of Harlem is much more entertaining and yet just as sad if not more so. Just youtube him; most of his stuff isn't fit for CF, so you have been warned.

kellhus · Jul 9, 2013

Foamhead said:
Since no one else seems to have posted this:

Jim Standridge rant video: Immanuel Baptist Church pastor criticizes congregation members

Don't you just love being called out in front of a large group of people? Don't you love the pastor's humility? "I'm somebody, you're not worth 15 cents".

I seriously wish I could travel to this guy's church sometime, wait until he does something insane like this, at which point I'd start trolling him.

katautumn · Jul 9, 2013

Foamhead said:
Since no one else seems to have posted this:

Jim Standridge rant video: Immanuel Baptist Church pastor criticizes congregation members

Don't you just love being called out in front of a large group of people? Don't you love the pastor's humility? "I'm somebody, you're not worth 15 cents".

For starters, we don't know the circumstances leading up to this situation. It was wrong for someone to film the church discipline and then circulate it on the internet, especially without giving proper context. In this snippet it makes the pastor look like a jerk, but I'm sure there would be times where someone could capture a snippet of my pastor quickly reprimanding some of our youth for acting up during the sermon, post it online, and people would think, "wow, what a power hungry fool!" What they wouldn't see were teenage girls showing up for church in booty shorts and openly giggling loudly with teenage boys in the front pews and playing games on their cell phones, which is incredibly distracting during a service.

Or, the pastor may really be an arrogant tool. Who knows?

HorsieJuice · Jul 9, 2013

KatAutumn said:
For starters, we don't know the circumstances leading up to this situation. It was wrong for someone to film the church discipline and then circulate it on the internet, especially without giving proper context. In this snippet it makes the pastor look like a jerk, but I'm sure there would be times where someone could capture a snippet of my pastor quickly reprimanding some of our youth for acting up during the sermon, post it online, and people would think, "wow, what a power hungry fool!" What they wouldn't see were teenage girls showing up for church in booty shorts and openly giggling loudly with teenage boys in the front pews and playing games on their cell phones, which is incredibly distracting during a service.

Or, the pastor may really be an arrogant tool. Who knows?

While your general point has merit, there's no way I can fathom that you can preach a sermon and within its context, find a legitimate way of running down a list of attendees and blatantly insulting them.

PreachersWife2004 · Jul 10, 2013

KatAutumn said:
For starters, we don't know the circumstances leading up to this situation. It was wrong for someone to film the church discipline and then circulate it on the internet, especially without giving proper context. In this snippet it makes the pastor look like a jerk, but I'm sure there would be times where someone could capture a snippet of my pastor quickly reprimanding some of our youth for acting up during the sermon, post it online, and people would think, "wow, what a power hungry fool!" What they wouldn't see were teenage girls showing up for church in booty shorts and openly giggling loudly with teenage boys in the front pews and playing games on their cell phones, which is incredibly distracting during a service.

Or, the pastor may really be an arrogant tool. Who knows?

The pastor is an arrogant tool.

You could record any part of my husband's sermons and there'd never be anything remotely close to this diatribe ever. And we're one of the more conservative churches around. Even if there were teens doing that during the service, that's not how you address it.

This pastor has a reputation for this type of behavior. This was just the evidence.

Foamhead · Jul 10, 2013

PreachersWife2004 said:
The pastor is an arrogant tool.

You could record any part of my husband's sermons and there'd never be anything remotely close to this diatribe ever. And we're one of the more conservative churches around. Even if there were teens doing that during the service, that's not how you address it.

This pastor has a reputation for this type of behavior. This was just the evidence.

You mean your husband doesn't belittle and insult his congregation during a sermon? What kind of lefty hippy did you marry?

keith99 · Jul 10, 2013

PreachersWife2004 said:
The pastor is an arrogant tool.

You could record any part of my husband's sermons and there'd never be anything remotely close to this diatribe ever. And we're one of the more conservative churches around. Even if there were teens doing that during the service, that's not how you address it.

This pastor has a reputation for this type of behavior. This was just the evidence.

I can't view the video.

That said a step (one step mind you, not a mile run) in the direction of insulting a congregation would be a good thing for most Churches I have seen.

But such needs to be tempered and put in context. And to my mind the pastor turning both guns on himself at the end is a good way to do that.

Sort of the old Military bit with a hard A** commanding officer. One who is hard on his troops, but where he is even liked for it, because he is twice as hard on himself. Changes everything.

stray bullet · Jul 11, 2013

There's no such place as Shiatook, Oklahoma. It's Skiatook.

katautumn · Jul 11, 2013

PreachersWife2004 said:
The pastor is an arrogant tool.

You could record any part of my husband's sermons and there'd never be anything remotely close to this diatribe ever. And we're one of the more conservative churches around. Even if there were teens doing that during the service, that's not how you address it.

This pastor has a reputation for this type of behavior. This was just the evidence.

I'm not opposed to church discipline, but my problem is the pastor telling the man he wasn't worth fifteen cents, or whatever it was he said along those lines. I can't imagine, in any context, where that would be an appropriate, let alone a christlike way to address someone.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 11, 2013

He does remind you of Paul, a true minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

stray bullet · Jul 12, 2013

No, he reminds you of an abusive relationship. He verbally abuses people while at the same time hugging them and telling them how much he loves them. It's all part of a sick, twisted controlling mechanism of fear, rejection, and acceptance.

This has nothing to do with Christianity. There should be laws to protect emotionally weak people from controlling individuals like himself.

wintermile · Jul 12, 2013

oldwiseguy said:
He does remind you of Paul, a true minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

No. Paul was a true shepherd. As a shepherd, Paul smelled like sheep. Paul would have known about their concerns and struggles.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 12, 2013

wintermile said:
No. Paul was a true shepherd. As a shepherd, Paul smelled like sheep. Paul would have known about their concerns and struggles.

I saw a shepherd zealous for his flock. Paul also got down on those under him, including other ministers. This man was bringing things out into the open that needed to be addressed. He was reestablishing his authority, and doing it in a loving way. Most Christians don't accept or submit to the authority of their pastors, hence the derisive comments about this man.

wintermile · Jul 12, 2013

oldwiseguy said:
I saw a shepherd zealous for his flock. Paul also got down on those under him, including other ministers. This man was bringing things out into the open that needed to be addressed. He was reestablishing his authority, and doing it in a loving way. Most Christians don't accept or submit to the authority of their pastors, hence the derisive comments about this man.

Unlike you, I am going to wait until I compare the pastor to Paul in an agreeable manner.

Paul and Barnabas parted ways once because Paul was critical of Mark having once abandoned them. Mark was young. Paul held the other apostles accountable. Paul was a true shepherd.

When it comes to discipline, pastors are to pair up and approach an individual in private.

A pastor does not lose authority due to an individual's struggle or rebellion.

I listen to podcasts and read others' work about the bible. I am 100 percent right when I say I am responsible for my sin. Yeshua does warn about leading others to sin but the bottom line is I am responsible.

I am not interested in sinning. I am interested in what others are saying and how much love for Yeshua and YWHW is demonstrated and encouraged. I am taught that church congregations are to remain small so that the congregation can hold the pastor accountable if somthing is amiss.

If the pastor in the OP is offended by any visitor or member for discussing or asking questions then his authority is baseless.

At this point, I would be questioning him why it seems some loathsome soap opera just broadcasted during fellowship.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 12, 2013

wintermile said:
Unlike you, I am going to wait until I compare the pastor to Paul in an agreeable manner.

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Paul, in his writings to the churches, was certainly more 'diplomatic' than Pastor Standridge was in this video, especially in reasserting his authority, but I'm sure he got emotional as well. His criticism of Peter was terse, and public, much like Pastor Standridge. Note the bolded parts:

11 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

This was a serious 'dressing down' of Peter and the others by Paul.

Public denouncement is a last resort method of trying to steer a person to repentance. I have seen it done successfully several times. However, not everyone is able to deal with the humiliation and some have left the church. But if they do leave is this not God's way of purging that church?

FrenchyBearpaw · Jul 12, 2013

Just another arrogant blowhard who over estimated his influence and used a public forum to embarrass and strip a human of their dignity. D-baggery at it's finest.

HannahT · Jul 12, 2013

He ripped into many people in his audience that didn't fall asleep. The sleeper just triggered him, and he went on a rage fest towards anyone he could think of.

He was mad, and threw a tantrum. Then he realized he threw a tantrum, and tried to justify himself by saying he 'loved' him. (rolls eyes) Okay then.

Motor City Christian · Jul 12, 2013

Right. If you have a problem with someone, you are to go to him in private. That is Biblical and quite frankly just common courtesy. If a church sinned corporately or there was a rift, speak to them as a whole but do so in love.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 12, 2013

Motor City Christian said:
Right. If you have a problem with someone, you are to go to him in private. That is Biblical and quite frankly just common courtesy. If a church sinned corporately or there was a rift, speak to them as a whole but do so in love.

I'm guessing he already did that, unsuccessfully.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 12, 2013

HannahT said:
He ripped into many people in his audience that didn't fall asleep. The sleeper just triggered him, and he went on a rage fest towards anyone he could think of.

He was mad, and threw a tantrum. Then he realized he threw a tantrum, and tried to justify himself by saying he 'loved' him. (rolls eyes) Okay then.

He got after the folks that needed it. I'm guessing that this was coming for some time and everyone there knew it. He was angry but fully in control. I didn't see a rant or a tantrum. He also sounded like a pastor that's pretty fed up with his congregation.

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