Is marijuana a sin? PLEASE HELP

McMatt said:

How are they similar? Heroin ruins lives and is extremely addictive, where pot doesn't/isn't. Comparing the two as similar is a very uneducated and ignorant way of looking at things.

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How are they similar? Well ... for starters:

Pot alters brain function.
Heroin alters brain function.

Pot requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.
Heroin requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.

Folks smoke pot to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks shoot heroin to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.

Pot is a drug.
Heroin is a drug.

THC is derived from a plant.
Heroin is derived from a plant.

Pot is smuggled in on the black market.
Heroin is smuggled in on the black market.

ActionJ said:

How are they similar? Well ... for starters:

Pot alters brain function.
Heroin alters brain function.

Pot requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.
Heroin requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.

Folks smoke pot to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks shoot heroin to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.

Pot is a drug.
Heroin is a drug.

THC is derived from a plant.
Heroin is derived from a plant.

Pot is smuggled in on the black market.
Heroin is smuggled in on the black market.

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This could all also be said about tea, well it doesn't have to be smuggled in anymore, but it did sorta cause a war.

ActionJ said:

How are they similar? Well ... for starters:

Pot alters brain function.
Heroin alters brain function.

Pot requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.
Heroin requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.

Folks smoke pot to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks shoot heroin to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.

Pot is a drug.
Heroin is a drug.

THC is derived from a plant.
Heroin is derived from a plant.

Pot is smuggled in on the black market.
Heroin is smuggled in on the black market.

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• Books alter brain function.
• Books require sums of cash that could be used more productively.
• Folks read books to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
• Books are not a drug.
• Books are printed on paper, so they are derived from a plant.
• Books are smuggled in on the black market.

Maybe you should come up with some better arguments.

morningstar2651 said:

[*]Books alter brain function.
[*]Books require sums of cash that could be used more productively.
[*]Folks read books to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
[*]Books are not a drug.
[*]Books are printed on paper, so they are derived from a plant.
[*]Books are smuggled in on the black market.

Maybe you should come up with some better arguments.

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I've just noticed that in most of your arguments you use straw men (throughout this whole thread you have done this multiple times). I find this ironic since you used that word wrong earlier. At least now I know it is pointless to argue with you, so I don't have to waste my time in the future. Goodbye.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

ActionJ said:

Pot alters brain function.
Heroin alters brain function.

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To very different degrees

ActionJ said:

Pot requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.
Heroin requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.

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Pot is more of an expense, where spending on heroin can become a "necessity" to the addicted. However, your weekly newspaper bill can be considered an expense where the money you spend can be used more productively. Just like coffee, tea, video games, ice cream, and anything else

ActionJ said:

Folks smoke pot to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks shoot heroin to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.

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Folks watch tv and read books to relax and check out of reality for a period of time as well. Just like anything one indulges in.

ActionJ said:

Pot is a drug.
Heroin is a drug.

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There is a lot of chemical alteration to heroin.

ActionJ said:

THC is derived from a plant.
Heroin is derived from a plant.

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However, everything on this planet comes from a natural resource of some type

ActionJ said:

Pot is smuggled in on the black market.
Heroin is smuggled in on the black market.

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So was alcohol for a time being. Doesn't mean it's against the teachings of the bible.

So I have come to conclude that either:

A) You can't read

or

B) You are purposely ignoring the main points of anything anyone has said, and are focusing on exaggerating the minor things.

It's not against the bible to smoke weed. It's not against the bible to shoot heroin. It's not against the bible to read a book, eat ice cream, watch a movie, or anything else on this planet that you can do for enjoyment. The only things the bible clearly states opposition to are the things in the 10 commandments really (plus another few things here and there). However, things like heroin simply aren't smart because of their physically addictive properties. Weed however, has no physically addictive properties. You can create a mental dependancy on it, just like you can create a mental dependency on eating ice cream, playing video games, or even stupid things like counting each step you take when walking up the stairs. Look at all the people that weigh 400 lbs and lose their leg to diabetes because they eat lots of ice cream. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to eat ice cream anymore? I don't know how fat you are, but from what I can tell your fingers are skinny enough to at least hit one key at a time on your keyboard. Should you be banned from junk food because others lose control over it?

The entire point of this thread is whether it is a sin or not to smoke weed, and there is nothing stating that weed is a sin. However, the sinful part is the reason for using it, and whether or not you commit idolatry by making it a priority for yourself over the important things.

XB3LI3V3RX said:

I've just noticed that in most of your arguments you use straw men (throughout this whole thread you have done this multiple times). I find this ironic since you used that word wrong earlier.

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No. I didn't.

XB3LI3V3RX said:

Everyone's opinion is relevant.

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XB3LI3V3RX said:

At least now I know it is pointless to argue with you, so I don't have to waste my time in the future.

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Is my opinion relevant? I fall under the category of everyone.

XB3LI3V3RX said:

Goodbye.

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Good. Now go back to your hugbox.

XB3LI3V3RX said:

Your going to sit here and tell me marijuana doesn't ruin people's lives? So these six kids at my school a few months ago that just got caught with marijuana in school and now have to go to an alternative school to even graduate, have thousands of dollars to pay in fines, probably getting into fights with their family, and will probably continue with these drugs that they are paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for aren't having their lives changed because they touched this stuff? Did you even read about the stuff that marijuana did to the guy at the top of this page? I don't see how I'm the ignorant one when you won't even look at the facts that marijuana does change people's lives and always will as long as people smoke this stuff.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

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The only reason it "ruined" their lives is because the substance is wrongfully illegal. Marijuana is not chemically addictive, so it is impossible for it to ruin lives outside of the individual's own irresponsibility. Heck, alcohol is legal and it is chemically addictive, so I see no reason why this thread has grown so popular.

morningstar2651 said:

• Books alter brain function.
• Books require sums of cash that could be used more productively.
• Folks read books to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
• Books are not a drug.
• Books are printed on paper, so they are derived from a plant.
• Books are smuggled in on the black market.

Maybe you should come up with some better arguments.

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1) There you go with that book analogy again. LOL. See? I was right! Anyway, reading stimulates brain function for the better while drugs skew brain function for the worse.
2) Books used in schools aren't a productive use of cash? Well ... I suppose if someone is illiterate then reading would be a total waste of time.
3) No damaging effects from reading for relaxation.
4) Agreed. Books are not a drug.
5) Books are not physically ingested or drawn into the lungs or shot into the veins.
6) I've never had to buy a book on the black market. Easily and legally accessible from Amazon.com or Borders Books.

=McMatt;63529224]To very different degrees

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So a little poison is better than a lot of poison? How about a zero degree of poison? Is that acceptable?

Pot is more of an expense, where spending on heroin can become a "necessity" to the addicted. However, your weekly newspaper bill can be considered an expense where the money you spend can be used more productively. Just like coffee, tea, video games, ice cream, and anything else

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The moment my stash got down low I bought a new bag. For years I didn't go a day without having something stashed away. Heroin is an expense but for me, pot was a necessity. Newspapers, coffee, tea, video games, and ice cream don't boil the brain cells.

Folks watch tv and read books to relax and check out of reality for a period of time as well. Just like anything one indulges in.

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Books and TV aren't swallowed, smoked, shot, or otherwise incorporated into the blood stream.

There is a lot of chemical alteration to heroin.

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THC is a powerful chemical that can cause serious brain damage. Please see my earlier link.

However, everything on this planet comes from a natural resource of some type

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But not all natural resources are injected into the blood stream. For instance, stay away from Caster Beans and Nightshade. They can ruin your day.

So was alcohol for a time being. Doesn't mean it's against the teachings of the bible.

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Did you smoke a little this morning? I was answering your post that suggested that there is "not similarity" between pot and heroin. I was simply pointing out the similarities. Your response? Change the subject! See what pot does to ones thought process?

So I have come to conclude that either:

A) You can't read

or

B) You are purposely ignoring the main points of anything anyone has said, and are focusing on exaggerating the minor things.

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Personal insults will get you nowhere. I'm not swayed by them.

I've answered the specific points that you've brought up. If you don't like the answers I can't help that. I've provided my personal experience where pot is concerned; I've provided my observations of others where pot is concerned; I've provided some scientific statistics and information where pot is concerned; I've provided some long term health concerns where pot is concerned. I've been reading everyone's posts and have answered them legitimately. I've addressed the main points of the conversation and have brought up some points that others may choose to ignore or minimize but all points should be considered.

It's not against the bible to smoke weed. It's not against the bible to shoot heroin. It's not against the bible to read a book, eat ice cream, watch a movie, or anything else on this planet that you can do for enjoyment. The only things the bible clearly states opposition to are the things in the 10 commandments really (plus another few things here and there). However, things like heroin simply aren't smart because of their physically addictive properties. Weed however, has no physically addictive properties. You can create a mental dependancy on it, just like you can create a mental dependency on eating ice cream, playing video games, or even stupid things like counting each step you take when walking up the stairs. Look at all the people that weigh 400 lbs and lose their leg to diabetes because they eat lots of ice cream. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to eat ice cream anymore? I don't know how fat you are, but from what I can tell your fingers are skinny enough to at least hit one key at a time on your keyboard. Should you be banned from junk food because others lose control over it?

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This is a whole new angle to the topic (considering the fact that you and I haven't addressed it yet). It's true that the Bible never specifically states that a person can't smoke pot. It's also true that the Bible never specifically states that a person can't drink Nightshade tea either. So it's illogical to believe that because something is omitted in the Bible that it's permitted by the Bible. When one prayerfully reads the Bible and seeks the truths contained therein they will seek the voice of the Holy Spirit and the true path that God has called them to tread. If and when that's the goal one will find that drugs and partying aren't on God's list of righteous actions. Jesus Christ is our example. We're to seek to do what He did. The Bible also states that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. We should do all that we can not to defile the temple.

The entire point of this thread is whether it is a sin or not to smoke weed, and there is nothing stating that weed is a sin. However, the sinful part is the reason for using it, and whether or not you commit idolatry by making it a priority for yourself over the important things.

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I tend to agree with this point. The next question revolves around that point in time when pot usage creeps into a person's life unawares and becomes something more than just a once-in-awhile, recreational enhancement. For me, it was a sin the very first time I tried it because I already new that it was wrong and illegal. So my conscience told me that I was doing wrong right off of the bat. However, it appealed to my sin nature and the "flesh" and I craved more (I first smoked it when I was 15).

ActionJ said:

Wasn't it though? It's why I laughed too. Who smokes pot because they enjoy the "action" of smoking it? Anyone and everyone who smokes does so for the way it makes them feel.

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Much like how reading book calms people down, or drinking wine is good for health. Sighhhhh.

ActionJ said:

How are they similar? Well ... for starters:

Pot alters brain function.
Heroin alters brain function.

Pot requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.
Heroin requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.

Folks smoke pot to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks shoot heroin to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.

Pot is a drug.
Heroin is a drug.

THC is derived from a plant.
Heroin is derived from a plant.

Pot is smuggled in on the black market.
Heroin is smuggled in on the black market.

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Pot alters brain function.
Heroin alters brain function.

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VERY differently though. IF you knew as well as anyone else being a Cannabis consumer the way they alter brain functions is vastly different.

Pot requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.
Heroin requires sums of cash that could be used more productively.

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Cannabis is also one of the biggest cash crops in the world and a large proponent to helping the economy.

Folks smoke pot to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks shoot heroin to relax and check out of reality for a period of time.

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Folks read books and drink to check out of reality for a period of time.
Folks listen to music to check out of reality for a period of time.

Pot is a drug.
Heroin is a drug.

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Cannabis is a plant (Cannabis Indica, Cannabis Satavia, Cannabis Ruderalis) with a known substance that has psychoactive properties.***
Herion is a drug derived from the poppy plant.

THC is derived from a plant.
Heroin is derived from a plant.

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Addressed above and therefore this is unnecessary

Pot is smuggled in on the black market.
Heroin is smuggled in on the black market.

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Pot can also be greatly reduced from the black market and even eliminated when made legal for the benefits it possesses economically and medically. Recreationally is just another addon.

"You can't fill a need with temporal things. . . . The tree of happiness does not grow in cursed earth." --Kirk Winters

Been there, done that, had the t-shirt, the roach clip, the pipe, bong and coke spoon. Legal or not it pot won't get you what you truly seek. Nor, as you have stated, will books, shopping, wine, or any other temporal thing. There is a better way, dear ones. And while it's been interesting chatting and I truly wish you the best, I've really said all I have to say. Getting back to the threads orignal topic. Is smoking pot sin? Yes, of course it is. Anything that we reach for when we need Jesus, besides Jesus, is of course sin. Sin means missing the mark, missing Jesus and the life of peace He promises and delivers. You just can't get it any place else.

Now, I know some of you are not interested in what I just said, and I get that. No judgements here. I was there once too. But for those of you who are interested in getting free, please feel welcome to pm me anytime.

Blessings and prayers,
a

Affliction said:

Much like how reading book calms people down, or drinking wine is good for health. Sighhhhh.

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Yeah ... "much like reading a book." When's the last time you took a hit off of a book?

ActionJ said:

Yeah ... "much like reading a book." When's the last time you took a hit off of a book?

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Its not the action of taking a hit that is bad. It all depends what you are taking a hit of. Weed, hash, natural things - perfectly fine. Coke, E, other chemically created substances - not a very good idea

McMatt said:

Its not the action of taking a hit that is bad. It all depends what you are taking a hit of. Weed, hash, natural things - perfectly fine. Coke, E, other chemically created substances - not a very good idea

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Purple Nightshade = natural & untreated
Caster Bean = natural & untreated
Oleander = natural & untreated

All very poisonous.

ActionJ said:

Yeah ... "much like reading a book." When's the last time you took a hit off of a book?

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Today. When is the last time you read a book to relax and check out of reality for a period of time?

I also finished watching an anime series just now. It took 13 hours to watch the entire series. Probably not the most productive use of my time, but I enjoyed it.

morningstar2651 said:

Today. When is the last time you read a book to relax and check out of reality for a period of time?

I also finished watching an anime series just now. It took 13 hours to watch the entire series. Probably not the most productive use of my time, but I enjoyed it.

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And if you didn't smoke, drink, or shoot any mind-altering chemicals you were probably coherent throughout the series and likely comprehended what you saw and heard.

ActionJ said:

Purple Nightshade = natural & untreated
Caster Bean = natural & untreated
Oleander = natural & untreated

All very poisonous.

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And? It's already been proven and mentioned in this thread that THC contains many beneficial properties.

This seems like a good comparison of your logic

Salmon - living being that swims in the water
Tuna - living being that swims in the water
Blowfish - living being that swims in the water

Blowfish can be very poisonous, so by your logic people should refrain from eating salmon and tuna. There is absolutely no rational argument in your statement.

McMatt said:

And? It's already been proven and mentioned in this thread that THC contains many beneficial properties.

This seems like a good comparison of your logic

Salmon - living being that swims in the water
Tuna - living being that swims in the water
Blowfish - living being that swims in the water

Blowfish can be very poisonous, so by your logic people should refrain from eating salmon and tuna. There is absolutely no rational argument in your statement.

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I truly wish you could focus and stay on topic. Let me remind you that you stated that pot was "okay" because it was "natural" and that other drugs that were "chemically created" were bad. Here's your quote:

"Weed, hash, natural things - perfectly fine."

I simply mentioned a few "natural things" that are NOT "perfectly fine." Fish have nothing to do with the conversation. See what weed does to the thought process over time?

ActionJ said:

I truly wish you could focus and stay on topic. Let me remind you that you stated that pot was "okay" because it was "natural" and that other drugs that were "chemically created" were bad. Here's your quote:

"Weed, hash, natural things - perfectly fine."

I simply mentioned a few "natural things" that are NOT "perfectly fine." Fish have nothing to do with the conversation. See what weed does to the thought process over time?

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Again, you're taking an overly literal context to my comparison, which was made to show how unintelligent your statement was.

Natural things that have been proven bad for you are obviously bad for you. Now are you going to waste precious space in my email inbox with a statement that is just poorly put together and thrown out there as a cover for you not having any supporting evidence for your argument? Or are you done?