If you kill someone

memoriesbymichelle · Jul 2, 2013

What are your thoughts about killing someone and possibly getting away with it. I don't mean any of us would be thinking of doing this. I am watching the Zimmerman/Martin trial and it's not disputed that Zimmerman killed Martin, but he says it was self defense but regardless he shot a 17 year old kid dead.
For me, I think even if it WAS self defense, he should still do some time. For me, it's no different than if you "accidentally" kill someone while driving in a car and an accident happens. You maybe didn't TRY to have an accident or kill anyone, but alot of times if someone dies, you will be charged with any number of charges, but it could even be involuntary manslaughter.

There are alot of people that think Zimmerman should be acquitted. And it just makes me think "wow, so we now have a society that in "some" cases, it is actually OK to murder someone?

What do you think?

blackribbon · Jul 2, 2013

My best friend is the sweetest Christian lady that you ever met. Leaves everyone feeling loved and important. A few years back, a 19 year old boy stepped out on a dark country road in front of her Suburburan while she was driving the speed limit. She hit the boy and he rolled over her car. 3 of her children were in the car with her but luckily a neighbor came up right after the accident and was able to remove them from the scene. The boy died in her arms with her praying over him. She could not ride in a car for almost 6 months without having a breakdown. She is okay now thanks to a wonderful Christian counselor and her faith in God. However, she was never charged because she did nothing wrong. She did kill the boy with her car. That is the definition of an accident.

With the case in Florida, if the black man was truly on top trying to kill him or physical hurt him...then yes, I believe he was justified in shooting the gun to safe his own life. If the hispanic man was the aggressor, then he deserves to go to jail.

Your son in in the military. He may need to kill someone within the scope of his responsibilities as a soldier.

David killed Goliath.

There is a difference between killing and murder.

QueSi · Jul 2, 2013

I can't find the asterisk in the commandment that tells which cases are acceptable to kill. In all of my bibles, it's in black and white..."though shalt not kill". Furthermore Jesus expanded on this, to include that all of our actions towards fellow humans should be out of love. I can't think of a single situation that killing would be ok.

blackribbon · Jul 2, 2013

The Bible is full of stories where God sent the Jews to war and commanded them to take no prisoners...including women and children.

The asterisk statement is silly unless the Hebrew word for kill means exactly the same as the English word kill. I will have to look that up later.

If someone was raping either of my children, I would be capable of killing someone to protect them. I don't think I'd even take a pause to think about it.

blackribbon · Jul 2, 2013

QueSi said:
I can't find the asterisk in the commandment that tells which cases are acceptable to kill. In all of my bibles, it's in black and white..."though shalt not kill". Furthermore Jesus expanded on this, to include that all of our actions towards fellow humans should be out of love. I can't think of a single situation that killing would be ok.

So do you think having a military or armed police is anti-Christian?

QueSi · Jul 2, 2013

I will continue to not resist evil people, like Jesus did and commanded.

QueSi · Jul 2, 2013

blackribbon said:
So do you think having a military or armed police is anti-Christian?

No

Change my answer to yes.

memoriesbymichelle · Jul 2, 2013

blackribbon said:
My best friend is the sweetest Christian lady that you ever met. Leaves everyone feeling loved and important. A few years back, a 19 year old boy stepped out on a dark country road in front of her Suburburan while she was driving the speed limit. She hit the boy and he rolled over her car. 3 of her children were in the car with her but luckily a neighbor came up right after the accident and was able to remove them from the scene. The boy died in her arms with her praying over him. She could not ride in a car for almost 6 months without having a breakdown. She is okay now thanks to a wonderful Christian counselor and her faith in God. However, she was never charged because she did nothing wrong. She did kill the boy with her car. That is the definition of an accident.

With the case in Florida, if the black man was truly on top trying to kill him or physical hurt him...then yes, I believe he was justified in shooting the gun to safe his own life. If the hispanic man was the aggressor, then he deserves to go to jail.

Your son in in the military. He may need to kill someone within the scope of his responsibilities as a soldier.

David killed Goliath.

There is a difference between killing and murder.

Ugh this stupid computer is acting up, won't let me choose color but anyway, I agree with you about killing and murder. In the Florida case, I am in the camp that believes that Zimmerman was the aggressor, and the other person was a barely 17 year old, hardly a man that just happened to be black and it just happened that they had had previous burglaries committed in that complex by young black men. I've heard of people that got charged for murder or manslaughter for shooting someone on their own property when the person was trying to burglarize them or rape them or whatever. In your story above, I wouldn't call that kind of an accident a type where she should have been charged, and heaven forbid I should ever be in that situation, but it does happen. This guy admitted that he shot the kid, and HOW it all went down, we only have his word which I am not convinced of because he does have secondary gain to embellish or lie so he isn't charged. He may get off anyway, cuz the prosecutor Angela Corey has been criminally indicted by Citizen's grand jury for allegedly falsifying arrest warrant and complaint so....but I still think he was in the wrong and should do some jail time. Not life in prison but something. That's just me.

As for God saying Thou shalt not kill, yes He did, but He also did have people wipe out certain other people. He also used evil people to cause trouble with the Jews. We have had to "fight" for the freedom we have in this country and IMO that is quite different than murder

exitstageright · Jul 2, 2013

QueSi said:
I can't find the asterisk in the commandment that tells which cases are acceptable to kill. In all of my bibles, it's in black and white..."though shalt not kill". Furthermore Jesus expanded on this, to include that all of our actions towards fellow humans should be out of love. I can't think of a single situation that killing would be ok.

The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. The New Testament was originally written in Greek.

In the Ten Commandments,the word in Hebrew,is the word for murder.

In the New Testament,Paul writes against witchcraft. Now,Paul was not talking about black cats.Paul was writing about spells and potions,or any substance that would and can alter one's behavior. The Greek word for witchcraft is........pharmakeia. Yes,that is where we get the word ...............Pharmacy.

blackribbon · Jul 2, 2013

Because he had a gun, does not necessarily make him the aggressor in my opinion. He was doing neighborhood watch. Yes, you do follow the suspect so that you can tell the cops where they are ... otherwise, the cops take a report and leave because they don't have any solid evidence ... and then one more house potentially gets robbed. I think this so called "kid" (17 is usually considered a legal adult if he committed a crime) did get offended because Zimmerman was following him and became the aggressor. I have no evidence but that is what I think. However, if Zimmerman did confront Martin then he does hold some level of responsibility and should be held accountable.

I am bothered by the fact that they like to use pictures of Martin from when he was 12 years old instead of current photos. I also hate that they represent Zimmerman as being white. He identifies himself as Hispanic and they often get treated just as badly as African Americans.

Now do I know anything...nah, just my gut based on what I have heard. If Zimmerman gets convicted then I am okay with it IF the jury believes he was the aggressor.

dayhiker · Jul 3, 2013

I generally don't follow these murder cases well enough to make an informed decision. In this case my gut feel is we don't really know know the motives and what actually happened, just what Zimmerman says and an eye witness who seems to be admitting that it was too dark to say for sure who was on top and who was the aggressor. So I'd have to let him go as their is no difinitive way for an outside to know for sure.

miss-a · Jul 3, 2013

Not sure if you're asking about this case or self defense in general. I don't know enough about the case to speak to it, but self defense in general I think is okay. I don't desire to kill anyone so I carry pepper spray instead of a gun. But I've got some pretty mean looking garden tools in my home reserved for uninvited guests. My aim would not be to kill anyone trying to harm me, but still in defending myself, that could be the outcome.

memoriesbymichelle · Jul 3, 2013

this case and in general, but my gut feeling is Zimmerman is in the wrong. His "story" doesn't make sense to me. Do I want him to get life in prison? NO, but I do hope he is accountable. He did an interview after it happened and made reference to this being God's will. I find that highly insensitive and he never tried to get help for the kid after he knew he shot him. Also the kid was just barely 17, hardly an adult and he had plenty of troubles of his own and alot of them by his own making but IMO, THAT night he was just walking back from the store and did not deserve to die.
I just think once again, that the world has turned on it's axis where bad is good and people are murdered and disappeared all the time, never to be found or never finding the person(s) that did it, it just makes my heart sick.
He also was a SELF appointed Neighborhood watchman and was NOT on patrol that night and he also was a renter not a homeowner. I think he got a little over zealous thinking this was one of the punks that had previously been burglarizing the houses there and the rest is history.

BelievingIsObeying · Jul 3, 2013

exitstageright said:
The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. The New Testament was originally written in Greek.

In the Ten Commandments,the word in Hebrew,is the word for murder.

In the New Testament,Paul writes against witchcraft. Now,Paul was not talking about black cats.Paul was writing about spells and potions,or any substance that would and can alter one's behavior. The Greek word for witchcraft is........pharmakeia. Yes,that is where we get the word ...............Pharmacy.

What do you think the difference between killing and murder is? What word did Jesus use when referring to this commandment?

memoriesbymichelle · Jul 3, 2013

Paul IMO, was also talking about seeking psychics and mediums.

To me, murder has intent like in the story of Cain and Abel. Cain was mad and he decided to eliminate the source (in his opinion) of his anger

BelievingIsObeying · Jul 3, 2013

memoriesbymichelle said:
Paul IMO, was also talking about seeking psychics and mediums.

To me, murder has intent like in the story of Cain and Abel. Cain was mad and he decided to eliminate the source (in his opinion) of his anger

Unintentional being accidental like a car wreck or stray bullet?

LPetal · Jul 4, 2013

as always great posts "blackribbon"!

xxoo

Life2Christ · Jul 5, 2013

memoriesbymichelle said:
I am in the camp that believes that Zimmerman was the aggressor, and the other person was a barely 17 year old, hardly a man that just happened to be black and it just happened that they had had previous burglaries committed in that complex by young black men.

Yeah me too. I base my opinion on the damning 911 call. Forget about the killing, the CONFRONTATION never had to happen in the first place. You're in your own car, on your own street, in your own neigborhood. You, rightly, call 911, with the cops on their way...and you still had to confront the "stranger"??? All Zimmerman had to do was get back in the car and go home! This whole case doesn't smell right.

dayhiker · Jul 5, 2013

Good point, Life.

miss-a · Jul 5, 2013

BelievingIsObeying said:
What do you think the difference between killing and murder is? What word did Jesus use when referring to this commandment?

Murder kills out of emotion. Killing is because we had to for our survival or the protection of others, as in the cases of self defense or warring against a tyrant

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