E=mc2... The secret of the universe

Michael · Jun 28, 2013

durangodawood said:
Questions:

What is the speed of spiritual light?

That probably depends on the carrier particle of 'spiritual light'/awareness. Assuming it's the carrier particle of the EM field, it would be C.

Can you even present "spiritual-c" in term of units that correspond to TIME and DISTANCE.?

You'd probably have to better define the term "spiritual", but again, assuming it's an ordinary EM field effect, it could be mathematically modeled like/as any other ordinary EM field.

rockytopva · Jun 28, 2013

Hey! I say there! Listen up! When you split or merge an atom you do not get mathematical formulas floating around the air for everyone to observe! You get, for every kilogram of mass...

mass (1 kg) = 10.e+16 joules / 10.e+16 (c2)

And when one splits or merges an atom one can observe the output... Which is energy and light. Take a look at the sun and you can see this wonderful output.

When God said, 'let there be light!' light and energy merged together and traveled out from a point of origin. When it cooled, it cooled in the form of mass. Intelligent design directed the mass to cool into the respective elements. Otherwise there is no calcium for bone and teeth formation and no magnesium for photosynthesis... And what intelligent design as farm animals can take in this calcium and transfer it in the form of milk to we human beings?

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

Where will you be, dear men, when the great disassociation occurs, when God will use the E/c2 and do other things with it?

By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward. - Hebrews 11: 24-26

Hear and be wise! God is going to make a new heaven and a new earth which will be eternal ones. This universe is not forever! Your works will soon disassociate back into the energy and light from once they came and be turned into something else! The pleasures and activities of this life, especially since the 13 or so billion years since the time that God forged this universe with his light and energy, are oh so temporary!

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. - James 1:17

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6

Oh what a wise thing to befriend the great Heavenly father, whom JRR Tolkien reverently named Eru Ilúvatar, the one, the great Father of all. Whose friendship is available through Jesus Christ our Lord. There you can be side by side with the ultimate source of light and energy and observe the benefits for allying oneself to the ultimate source of light and energy! :clap:

Justatruthseeker · Jun 28, 2013

Yah, that's what I have been trying to tell them E=mc^2, mc^=E, it's all the same.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7752006/

That's about how I feel about it.

sfs · Jun 29, 2013

Mr. Pedantic said:

Nah, m without a subscript is standard notation for rest mass nowadays, at least in particle physics.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 29, 2013

sfs said:
Nah, m without a subscript is standard notation for rest mass nowadays, at least in particle physics.

Ahh, but it did indeed have a subscript, and was designated as the rest mass of a particle. Not to be confused with the mass of a particle undergoing acceleration. The lack of a subscript has blurred this distinction in the mind of many. Because as we know an object traveling at 2G acceleration does not have twice the matter, but does have twice the mass until such time as acceleration is stopped. Mass is therefore only dependent upon the conductivity of the particle or its acceleration. If all molecules are made up of the same neutrons, protons and electrons as every other molecule, then a few miniscule electrons is not going to make up the difference in mass between gold and steel. But its ability to carry charge and pull the electrons into tighter orbits will. Tighter orbits = more acceleration = more energy.

And always ecliptic on the average.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit

The analysis so far has been two dimensional; it turns out that an unperturbed orbit is two-dimensional in a plane fixed in space, and thus the extension to three dimensions requires simply rotating the two-dimensional plane into the required angle relative to the poles of the planetary body involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_plane_(astronomy)

All of the planets, comets, and asteroids in the Solar System are in orbit around the Sun. The orbital planes of all those orbits nearly line up with each other, making a semi-flat disk called the invariable plane of the Solar System.

Solar system, galaxy, it's all ecliptic. Hence spacecrafts unexplained problems with this ecliptic. One simply needs a plane, not a warped pathway.

sfs · Jun 29, 2013

Justatruthseeker said:
Ahh, but it did indeed have a subscript, and was designated as the rest mass of a particle.

My point was that the rest mass of a particle should not have a subscript, in normal contemporary physics usage. (Completely arbitrary usage to be sure, but it is what it is.)

Not to be confused with the mass of a particle undergoing acceleration. The lack of a subscript has blurred this distinction in the mind of many.

Many things are blurred in the minds of many. Rest mass is a useful quantity in physics, while relativistic mass really isn't very useful.

Because as we know an object traveling at 2G acceleration does not have twice the matter, but does have twice the mass until such time as acceleration is stopped.

Regardless of acceleration, the rest mass is invariant, which is why that's the mass that physicists use. (Also, no definition of mass depends on acceleration. Your sentence here is not an accurate statement of physics.)

Mass is therefore only dependent upon the conductivity of the particle or its acceleration. If all molecules are made up of the same neutrons, protons and electrons as every other molecule, then a few miniscule electrons is not going to make up the difference in mass between gold and steel. But its ability to carry charge and pull the electrons into tighter orbits will. Tighter orbits = more acceleration = more energy.

You should perhaps learn some physics before attempting to interpret it.

And always ecliptic on the average.

Orbit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Orbital plane (astronomy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solar system, galaxy, it's all ecliptic. Hence spacecrafts unexplained problems with this ecliptic. One simply needs a plane, not a warped pathway.

You've veered from error to complete nonsense, I'm afraid.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 29, 2013

sfs said:
Regardless of acceleration, the rest mass is invariant, which is why that's the mass that physicists use. (Also, no definition of mass depends on acceleration. Your sentence here is not an accurate statement of physics.)

Are you sure?

Mass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In physics, mass (from Greek μᾶζα "barley cake, lump (of dough)") refers to the quantity of matter in an object. More specifically, inertial mass is a quantitative measure of an object's resistance to acceleration...

According to Newton's second law, we say that a body has a mass m if, at any instant of time, it obeys the equation of motion...where F is the resultant force acting on the body and a is the acceleration of the body's centre of mass...

The equivalence of inertial and gravitational masses is sometimes referred to as the "Galilean equivalence principle" or the "weak equivalence principle". The most important consequence of this equivalence principle applies to freely falling objects. Suppose we have an object with inertial and gravitational masses m and M, respectively. If the only force acting on the object comes from a gravitational field g, combining Newton's second law and the gravitational law yields the acceleration...

The term mass in special relativity usually refers to the rest mass of the object, which is the Newtonian mass as measured by an observer moving along with the object.

So I would tend to say it has a lot to do with acceleration.

An object does not become heavier simple because you want to move it, yet it's mass *increases* with acceleration, yet the quantity of matter does not. At 2G acceleration you do not suddenly gain 2 times the matter and then lose it immediately upon stoppage of thrust.

Perhaps you should learn some physics before attempting to interpret it?

That's true, I expect NASA considers it nonsense too.
http://www.space.com/5037-nasa-baffled-unexplained-force-acting-space-probes.html

In the one probe the researchers did not confirm a noticeable anomaly with, MESSENGER, the spacecraft approached the Earth at about latitude 31 degrees north and receded from the Earth at about latitude 32 degrees south. "This near-perfect symmetry about the equator seemed to result in a very small velocity change, in contrast to the five other flybys," Anderson explained — so small no anomaly could be confirmed. The five other flybys involved flights whose incoming and outgoing trajectories were asymmetrical with each other in terms of their orientation with Earth's equator.
For instance, the NEAR mission approached Earth at about latitude 20 south and receded from the planet at about latitude 72 south. The spacecraft then seemed to fly 13 millimeters per second faster than expected. While this is just one-millionth of that probe's total velocity, the precision of the velocity measurements was 0.1 millimeters per second, carried out as they were using radio waves bounced off the craft. This suggests the anomaly seen is real — and one needing an explanation.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 29, 2013

Michael said:
That probably depends on the carrier particle of 'spiritual light'/awareness. Assuming it's the carrier particle of the EM field, it would be C.

You'd probably have to better define the term "spiritual", but again, assuming it's an ordinary EM field effect, it could be mathematically modeled like/as any other ordinary EM field.

Exactly, EM fields are EM fields, whether in space or in our bodies. Maybee we need to do an EEG of the universe? Probably impossible without more probes, just beginning measuring the Sun and planets right now.

Although I do have a small problem with the lack of aberration in the equations of GR. LR has no such limitations and is experimentally equal to GR. The Earth's gravitational field points to it's now position, not the light-time of 8 minutes ago. Easily resolved if one realizes light is but a visible and invisible manifestation of released energy. While the gravitational has nothing to do with light, but is the voltage differential.
http://amasci.com/miscon/voltage.html
Most of thier confusion is simply use of one word to describe an entire class of phenomenon.
http://amasci.com/miscon/eleca.html#light

sfs · Jun 30, 2013

Justatruthseeker said:
Are you sure?

Mass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So I would tend to say it has a lot to do with acceleration.

Then you misunderstood what you just quoted. In that statement, the acceleration depends on the mass, but the mass does not depend on the acceleration.

An object does not become heavier simple because you want to move it,

True

yet it's mass *increases* with acceleration,

False. Mass is independent of acceleration. If you use the concept of relativistic mass (which, as a I said earlier, most physicists do not these days), then the relativistic mass increases with the relative velocity between the observer and the object. But that relative velocity can occur with zero acceleration by the object.

That's true, I expect NASA considers it nonsense too.
NASA Baffled by Unexplained Force Acting on Space Probes | Space.com

An anomaly is just that: an anomaly, a finding that currently doesn't make sense. The Pioneer anomaly, which that article mentions, has now been explained by conventional gravity. Perhaps this more recent anomaly points to some subtle problem with standard physics; if so, that would be very exciting. More likely they just haven't included all of the relevant conventional effects in enough detail. Either way, the anomaly has nothing to do with the false statements you've been making about mass.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 30, 2013

sfs said:
Then you misunderstood what you just quoted. In that statement, the acceleration depends on the mass, but the mass does not depend on the acceleration.

True

False. Mass is independent of acceleration. If you use the concept of relativistic mass (which, as a I said earlier, most physicists do not these days), then the relativistic mass increases with the relative velocity between the observer and the object. But that relative velocity can occur with zero acceleration by the object.

An anomaly is just that: an anomaly, a finding that currently doesn't make sense. The Pioneer anomaly, which that article mentions, has now been explained by conventional gravity. Perhaps this more recent anomaly points to some subtle problem with standard physics; if so, that would be very exciting. More likely they just haven't included all of the relevant conventional effects in enough detail. Either way, the anomaly has nothing to do with the false statements you've been making about mass.

Only in your own fantasies has the pioneer anomalies been solved. Their explanation for them do not match any of the other craft in unbound orbits, and ONLY craft in unbound orbits passing sharply across the ecliptic exhibit these effects. The Messenger passed close in alignment by the ecliptic, while every other craft not bound passed sharply across the ecliptic. This is the ONLY thing they have in common. The Messenger shows anomalous data, just of a value too small to be positive of it.

Yet funny how no other craft in bound orbits have given any hint of anomalous data. Not even a hint like with Messenger. Of course we can rule out heat anomalies as claimed for pioneer, since it supposedly affects them because they are far from the sun where this heat anomaly could cause this, yet 5 other craft, the 6th unsure of all exhibit the same type of anomaly and were close to the Sun. But again, explanations are suspect as NO bound craft exhibit this effect. Funny how their velocity is affected, just like the solar wind.
Electric Sun - Voyager 1 exits solar system, Solar Wind stops, defies Standard Model predictions - YouTube

Even the Earth's ecliptic in relation to the Sun's ecliptic surprises you, doesn't want to behave like you predict it should. Everything they were taught showing to be incorrect.
Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere / UCLA Newsroom

As for mass you are very confused.

The term mass in special relativity usually refers to the rest mass of the object, which is the Newtonian mass as measured by an observer moving along with the object.

So only when you are *moving along* with an object can you measure it's rest mass. If it is at a velocity not equal to yours, then it's rest mass would be different than the same object traveling at your velocity. This is why that distinction is made in SR about rest mass.

But of course you may continue to believe that two meteors of the exact same mass traveling at different velocities would impact the earth with the same force. Their energy content is not the same, the faster one has a higher rest mass, even when not under acceleration. This is why one must be traveling along with the object to measure its true rest mass.

Simply because you do not understand what voltage is.
Electrical curriculum: What is Voltage?

Nor do you probably even know about how the rings of Saturn show this same force effects objects in it's ecliptic plane.
Saturn's Electric Moon Enceladus, Part One | Space News - YouTube
Saturn's Electric Moon Enceladus, Part Two | Space News - YouTube

Of course, I don't expect you to see anything with those View Masters on.
TOM WILSON: Believing is Not Seeing | EU 2013 - YouTube

sfs · Jun 30, 2013

Justatruthseeker said:
Only in your own fantasies has the pioneer anomalies been solved.

In my fantasies, and in the fantasies of some of the scientists who first noted the anomaly. I'm inclined to trust their knowledge of the relevant science more than yours.

So only when you are *moving along* with an object can you measure it's rest mass.

Incorrect. We measure the rest mass of moving particles all the time.

If it is at a velocity not equal to yours, then it's rest mass would be different than the same object traveling at your velocity.

Incorrect. Rest mass is invariant with velocity. Learn Special Relativity.

But of course you may continue to believe that two meteors of the exact same mass traveling at different velocities would impact the earth with the same force.

Completely irrelevant to anything I wrote. Please learn some physics (and no, looking at crackpot websites does not count as learning physics).

Their energy content is not the same,

Excellent. You have made a correct statement about physics.

the faster one has a higher rest mass, even when not under acceleration.

Followed immediately by nonsense.

Simply because you do not understand what voltage is.
Electrical curriculum: What is Voltage?

I understand voltage just fine. You do not understand mass, however.

rockytopva · Jun 30, 2013

If... E = mc2 ... Then m (matter) = E/c2 (energy)

Therefore, for the big boom to have occurred the matter had to have been there before the light and energy (E/c2), as the scripture says...

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. - Genesis 1:2

I would imagine, with these words... 'Let there be light (Genesis 1:3)', that the earth (the mass) turned into energy and light (E/c2) and expanded out from a point of origin, turning into what solar systems the Father will it to. So the plasma (E/c2) is actually mass that has changed state.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 30, 2013

rockytopva said:
If... E = mc2 ... Then m (matter) = E/c2 (energy)

Therefore, for the big boom to have occurred the matter had to have been there before the light and energy (E/c2), as the scripture says...

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. - Genesis 1:2

I would imagine, with these words... 'Let there be light (Genesis 1:3)', that the earth (the mass) turned into energy and light (E/c2) and expanded out from a point of origin, turning into what solar systems the Father will it to. So the plasma (E/c2) is actually mass that has changed state.

Actually its more accurate with the original texts (tohu wa bohu) to say "And the Earth became desolate and waste." Isiah 34:11 and Jerimiah 4:23 for the only other places those two words are used together. Tohu denotes wasteness, emptiness, a desert (De 32:10; Job 12:24; Ps 107:40). bohu only found in the above two passages with tohu. And in both other passages they are used to describe the desolation which were to overspread Idumaea and Palestine respectively, and by which those countries would be reduced from the settled and flourishing condition which they exhibited at the time of the predictions into universal disorder and ruin. Also the verb transcribed here as "was" is transcribed some 20 places in this chapter as "became". Context dictates interpretation.

The earth *became* desolate and waste and darkness covered the surface of the deep.

rockytopva · Jul 10, 2014

Just refreshed these topics on my website at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKOkBOQJj8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caG7Oq93bUQ

DogmaHunter · Jul 18, 2014

rockytopva said:
When you split or merge an atom the results are energy and light. The same energy and light that went into its creation. The spiritual light and energy is akin to the natural light and energy . To experience the creator is to experience light and energy for the creator is light and energy.

What is plasma but mass in the form of light and energy? Is not love light and energy? Therefore the spiritual energies and light are akin to the natural. And since the natural is made up of E /c2, so is the spiritual.

Are you saying that love will cause radiation sickness and certain death?

rockytopva · Dec 16, 2014

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma... And all mass was created with energy and light
Mental E/c2 - Our brains output is a result of E/c2
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
---c2 - Kind a like red, blue, green, and yellow, only in spiritual terms.

There is a spiritual light and a spiritual energy. And there are also forces of darkness and emptiness as well... Which would be the opposite of E/c2.

The opposite of E would be z, or absolute zero
The opposite of c would be d, or darkness...

Natural z/d - Emptiness... Space
Intellectual z/d - Emptiness... No thought
Spiritual z/d.... The opposite of E/c2.... Which makes for a black hole in the heart...

Spiritual z, absolute zero... Laziness, apathy, a spiritual absolute zero, hatred
Spiritual d, darkness... Fear, depression, greed, sorrow

When I experienced God on a spiritual basis I felt that same stuff spiritually that went into the creation of the universe, and it delighted my soul. If I may present a journey towards a greater Christian spiritual E/c2 it would be in the following...

A Path to Caritas (Latin for love in the purest form)... Things that cannot be taught for virtue is not knowledge!

1. Hope - All things begin with a hope
2. Faith - Motivation is a child of faith and hope
3. Charis - Grace - A powerful neighbor of caritas
4. Dynamos - Greek for virtue and motivation
5. Eucharisteo - Much grace... Gratitude
6. Charisomai - Well favored - A lucky kind of feeling
7. Euchrestos - Greek for profitable
8. Chairo - Greek for cheer - "Cheerio mate!"
9. Chara - Greek for joy
10. Chrestotes - An 'Aunt Bee' kind of Goodness
11. Charisma - Heavenly Graciousness
12. Chrisma - Heavenly Anointing - The Holy Grail!

People fall into sin (spiritual z/d) because of sin or a hole in the heart desiring the proper energy and light.

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And then we have that which is not E/c2, or z/d...

1. Mysticism
2. Arrogance (ego)
3. The flesh

I have heard that it is hard to discern the flesh from the devil, as they are so akin to one another. But I will say this, that Mysticism, ego, and the flesh are not true E/c2, therefore there may be a spiritual light in this activity, but because these are not true form, they are lacking in the proper spiritual energies, whose ends are normally cold. This is also dangerous in religious circles when people get religion in their mind, but the heart is still full of darkness and a terrifying cold.

lesliedellow · Dec 17, 2014

Or

rockytopva said:
If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma

You and Justatruthseeker should get together. You know about as much physics as he does (i.e. considerably less than nothing).

bhsmte · Dec 17, 2014

rockytopva · Dec 17, 2014

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. - Luke 10:21

The spiritual E/c2 is something that is not knowledge and is not material, therefore...

It can be hid from the wise
It can be hid from the rich
...And revealed unto the poor and unlearned

This spiritual factor of E/c2 is as powerful as its neighbors, intellect and mass... And like gravity is an unseen force in the universe...

There was something created before heaven and earth which we call the way. The way is infinitely high, unfathomably deep. The way effects the movement of the heavens and the stability of the earth, turning endlessly like a wheel, flowing ceaselessly like water. Enclosing heaven and earth, receiving from the formless, it produces a stream running deep and wide without overflowing. It absorbs the negative and emits the positive. In antiquity, the three majestic ones attained the order of the way and stood in the center, their spirits roamed with creation. - Lao-Tzu

And it is also something that can dissipate and diminish away from the hearts of men...

The way of heaven is to revert after reaching a climax, and to diminish upon reaching fullness. Therefore the sages diminish themselves daily and empty their moods, not daring to be self-satisfied. When the spirit is in the lead, the body follows with beneficial results; when the body is in the lead, the spirit follows with harmful results. When your rank is high in the world, then your vitality and spirit are depleted daily, eventually to become dissipated and not return to the body. When the vitality, spirit, will, and energy are calm, they fill you day by day and make you strong. Therefore the sages keep nurturing their spirit, make their energy gentle, and flow with the way. - Confucius

rockytopva · Dec 17, 2014

"He who knows the methods of change and transformation, may be said to know what is done by spiritual power." Confucius

"True peace is achieved by centering and blending with life. Follow the Tao (The Way) and live in harmony. Cultivate character (Te) and develop your highest potential. Te and Tao are the way of life. Abandon either, and the Tao abandons you. Those who study its power will be powerful." - Lao-Tzu

"A leader is a dealer of hope." -Napoleon

"He who lives well is blessed and happy."
"The soul of man is immortal and imperishable."
"It is my opinion that learning brings danger to youth."
"It is experience that causes our life to move forward by the skills we acquire, while the want of experience subjects us to the effects of chance."
"The virtue that is in us comes not from nature, nor is it taught, but it is put in us by the divinity."
"Wonder is the feeling of a philosopher; and philosophy begins with wonder."
"He whom love touches not walks in darkness."
"As empty vessels make the loudest sounds, so they that have the least wit are the greatest blabbers."
"Virtue is a kind of health, beauty, and good habit of the soul." -Plato

It is those who understand the nature and power of the spiritual E/c2 who build careers, enjoyable lives, show leadership, rule nations, effect spiritual change on earth, and live good lives. The spiritual E/c2 enables them to do this.

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