The Lord Has Said To Me,'' You Are My Son.''

Is this said about the overcomers in Revelation?

…And he that overcomes, and keeps my works to the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Psalms 2--
2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


Will a virgin give birth?

No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

Jesus was born on the 17th of Nisan when he was resurrected on the feast of FirstFruits.

He was the first child born being the FIRST FRUIT of many others to follow.

These 144,000 are all virgins because they are blameless and offered to God as virgins.

They give birth when they are also resurrected becoming the firstfruits to follow Jesus into a new kingdom.

Wives and Husbands- Ephesians 5
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Is this profound mystery that our bodies are the wives in a marriage with our husband Jesus?

That being born again is talking about the spiritual seed made between the Marriage of Jesus and his bride?

We yearn to be born into a new world being stuck in this womb until we are born into a new incorruptible body.

This is what happens in Revelation 14 where the redeemed of mankind are found blameless and counted as virgins and then becoming the firstfruits born into a new world like a woman in labor giving birth.

{ THE OVERCOMER RULES WITH A ROD OF IRON}
Revelation 12:5And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

Revelation 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

It is a male child because it is born of spirit, not of the old flesh which represents the woman. Everyone is born of the woman, and from there we hope to be seen as virgins counted blameless. We become born again with a spiritual seed and we are to nourish that seed.

When this body being in labor gives birth to the male child who is to rule all nations with a rod of Iron, it is the birth of the firstfruits to which Jesus promises to say,'' YOU ARE MY SON.''

BEING BORN MALE instead of being born female{flesh with no spiritual covering},because his body is now incorruptible, because the spirit is his covering, and the spirit is male.

Will it also be said to the overcomer,'' This is my son in whom I am well pleased, He shall rule the nations with a rod of Iron?''

Its a hard subject but it just looks like things keep repeating.

The first Passover-Sinai
The second Passover-outside Jerusalem.
The third Passover---Of course we know the prophecies of the third Passover.

The first Pentecost-Sinai
The second Pentecost-Jerusalem
The third Pentecost--Of course we know the prophecies concerning the third.

The first Tabernacles-The wilderness
The second Tabernacles-outside Jerusalem
The third Tabernacles--Of course we know the prophecies concerning the third feast of Tabernacles.


There is no doubt that the first two only points to a third because we know the scriptures of a third one to take place after Jesus.

Is what Jesus did, supposed to be in a bigger way in the end?

Not that any man had obtained the place of Jesus, but that we became his son as he is the son of the father, and maybe the third happening of these feasts points to a replay of what Jesus came to do.

That maybe Jesus coming in the clouds is his coming in believers.

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visionary said:

What is this?

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The flesh counts for female.

We are the bride that houses the spirit of the bridegroom. A man and a woman become one just as the flesh and the spirit become one.

There is therefore no difference between man and woman because both are brides by flesh, and both will struggle to give birth to a male child of spirit.

We gentiles were born for destruction, not having the male seed and spirit of God in us.

The Jews were the only ones who carried the seed and spirit of God.

It was their duty to be a light to the gentile nations being both married to God as a bride according to the flesh, but also to be a priest whereby a bride may be redeemed unto God.

Jesus came to redeem all the people according to the flesh that were created for destruction, all being female because there was a void in gentiles in that they had no seed of spirit.

So he takes on all gentiles as brides redeeming them and becoming a husband to them, and then implanting the seed of God within them.

All flesh is female and we seek a perfect marriage between body and spirit.


1st Peter--The Hidden Man
…3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-5.htm

John 16…

Truly, truly, I say to you, That you shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and you shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. A woman when she is in travail has sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembers no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. And you now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man takes from you.

Avodat said:

Can you cite where these ideas appear so that we can see the context, please?

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I threw a lot of ideas out, can you be more specific about one or two.

visionary said:

I think you are taking this male female rolls a bit too far, when you cited that the flesh is female.

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No, There is a whole language there about the female but it's not easy to explain to people.

You begin with consideration that Adam and Eve are one, they are two parts of the same body.


But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

But there is too much language about it for us to just drop it, it was put in place to figure out.

Its why John the Baptist is talking of bridegrooms and brides, it why Revelation uses so much of the same language and it is key in understanding the marriage feast of the lamb and who is who.

The language of Jesus redeeming gentiles as women, all of them/us being female is representing the female in all Gentiles.

What part of a gentile is female?

Avodat said:

Well, we got a long way down the road on your previous threads before you disclosed any sources. Maybe if you show them each time we can see them in context (and it avoids possible plagiarism, too )

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Eddie Chumney is the one who pushed my boat into the water, and I owe a great deal to him.

One time I talked to Eddie and I was real excited because once he placed the concepts in my head, the details just keep popping up. Just like he wrote a book called,'' Who is the bride of Christ.'' and I have seen many people take his concept and then further prove it with added details because the science and details of the Marriage are many. Once you get the concepts, you realized that the end is of a wedding and everything is about a wedding.

But I was really excited to tell Eddie another detail that I had learned for myself after he gave me the concepts. But when I told him this new exciting detail, being so proud of myself, he says to me,'' Yes I know, I wrote that in my book.''

I am always practicing in learning this language and a lot of the things I say, I say of myself, things that I have found. But I would have never found them unless somebody first planted the seed of concept.

Here is some of,''Who is The bride of Christ'' by Eddie Chumney.


~ Two Witnesses ~

In the Parable of the Ten Virgins it is apparent the Bridegroom is expected to come at night. In fact, this was the normal custom in the ancient Hebrew wedding. In those days, the Bridegroom was assisted by two attendants who were also witnesses to the marriage. One of the witnesses represented Moshe, the other represented Elijah. The witness representing Moshe provided assistance to the Bride, while the one representing Elijah provided assistance to the Bridegroom.

This sharing of duties was based on the fact that it was Moshe who led the first Bride, the children of Israel, through the wilderness and right up to the wedding chamber at Mount Sinai. Then, after the wedding, he went on to lead the Bride to the door of their new home, the promised land of Canaan.

On the other hand, the original Elijah provided witness for God against the evil of his day, especially that of King Ahab and his wicked queen, Jezebel. The second Elijah was, of course, John the Baptist (Yochanan the Immerser) who proclaimed the arrival of the Messiah, and called the people to repentance. He also proclaimed himself to be the friend of the Bridegroom, a Hebrew idiom for the `Elijah' attendant at a wedding.

"Then there arose a dispute between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purification. And they came to John and said to him, `Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified--behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!'

"John answered and said, `A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, "I am not the Christ," but, "I have been sent before Him." "`He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease.'" (John 3:25-30)

One of the responsibilities of the `friend of the Bridegroom' was to wait outside the door of the Chuppah (Wedding Chamber). Once the marriage had been consummated the Bridegroom would come to the door with the bloody sheets of the marriage bed, hand them to the `friend of the Bridegroom,' telling him that the marriage was complete. This would bring joy to the heart of the attendant called `Elijah,' for he truly felt the joy that was in the heart of the Bridegroom.

~ Sending Forth the Bridegroom ~

Once the father of the bridegroom announced to his son that it was time to fetch his bride, the bridegroom would call the Moshe and Elijah witnesses and last minute preparations would begin.

If the bridegroom and bride lived in the same village, it would be but a short journey for him to fetch her. However, if they lived a long distance apart, more extensive preparations would need to be made. If the journey were to take several days, provisions would have to be gathered and other people would need to be enlisted to aid in the journey.

Prior to the Father's decision to send his son, the Bride had already been in a state of waiting for quite a long time. Anciently, the period of time between the betrothal and full marriage was about one year. During this time the Bride did all that she believed was necessary to prepare for the wedding. Once the preparations were completed, all she had left to do was wait.

When the Father declared all was ready, `Moshe' was sent ahead to announce the coming of the Husband. The Bride then gathered her things and put on her wedding gown. The bridesmaids were called and all waited in eager anticipation. This is the situation that exists at the beginning of this parable.

"Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom." (Matt. 25:1)

Here we see that the Bride has been warned by `Moshe' of the coming of her Husband, and she has gone out to meet Him, but for some unknown reason He is delayed in coming.

"But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept." (Matt. 25:5)

At first this final waiting period is filled with alertness and energy, such as the first love of a new Believer, but as time wears on her nervous energy begins to turn to weariness. Gradually the Bride begins to nod off, reawakening herself again and again, but ultimately she succumbs to deep sleep.

Right now, many Believers are on high alert in the expectation of Yeshua's return. The conditions listed earlier in this article seem to be happening before our very eyes, "Moshe's" message of Messiah's return is being delivered from many different sources. Also, the idea that we are reaching the turn of a millennium is having a very significant effect on great numbers of people.

But what if the Father's timetable is not what we expect? What if Yeshua does not return within the next very few years? What if the 21st century comes, and there is still no sign of Messiah's return? Could that cause the Church to fall asleep?

According to this parable, the end time Church will be in this precise condition when the final cry comes warning the Bride about the imminent return of Messiah. At that time the entire Church will be asleep, even though She has previously been warned that the end of Her wait is near.

* Detail #2 *

The second detail of this parable tells us that the entire Church will be asleep when Messiah returns, even though she has been warned that Messiah's return is close.

~ Oil Vessels ~

Then comes that final, last minute awakening cry. The Bride is lifted out of her sleep.

"And at midnight a cry was heard: `Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!" (Matt. 25:6)

The Bride of Messiah is composed of many members. Each one of the ten virgins represents a part of the Bride. In this parable, the Bride is divided into two basic parts, the `wise virgins,' those who made adequate preparations, and the `foolish virgins' who did not. However, all ten virgins did make some type of preparation. The key to understanding this lesson is to determine what constitutes adequate preparation for the wedding.

All of the virgins did have lamps to aid them in seeing their way to the wedding. These lamps are devices that hold olive oil for fuel and are constructed in a way that, when lit, provide an adequate amount of light for their intended purpose. The lamps used for outdoor lighting had to be somewhat larger than the ones used indoors. According to archeological evidence, these lamps were fairly large and were mounted upon poles so they could be held aloft, thus providing a larger range of light. Because the outdoor lamps were considerably larger than indoor lamps, they also used a much greater amount of oil. For this reason, it was necessary to carry along an extra vessel of oil so that the lamps could be replenished along the way. This is the meaning of verse four which says: "...but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps." (Matt. 25:4)

It was this extra vessel, full of oil, which the `wise virgins' carried, that made them wise instead of foolish; since the `foolish virgins' brought only their lamp with the amount of oil which it contained. The `foolish virgins' might have thought that such a vessel would just be extra baggage that was not needed. Both groups had oil for the beginning of the journey, but the foolish ones did not have enough to complete it. Realizing this, they asked the `wise virgins' to share some of their oil with them so that all ten virgins would have light for their lamps. The `wise' answer was: "`No, lest there should not be enough for us and you..." (Matt. 25:9)

In the interpretation of this detail let us look at this extra vessel, which carried the additional oil. There are two Greek words translated as `vessel' into English. The one used in this parable is aggeion (Strong's #30). It means; "a receptacle." It is used in only two other places. #The first is in Matt. 13:48 where it refers to a basket. The other verse is found in I John 3:11:

"In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous." (I John 3:10-12)

The underlined word `message is the Greek word aggeion which means; "a receptacle." At first, this meaning seems incongruous to the context of the passage. Yet, this is God's word and we need to understand what is being communicated. If we do not understand a particular scripture the fault lies not with the original scripture itself, but rather with either the translation or with our lack of understanding.

So, pursuing this passage a little deeper we find that the object of the word `message' (Greek aggeion = receptacle) is the word love. Now we see that the Believer is to be a vessel or receptacle of love, not of hate such as Cain had for his brother Abel. Verse 10 takes this concept one step further and equates love with righteous acts. This is an indication that it is not only necessary to carry that extra vessel of oil to the wedding, but that it must be a particular kind of vessel, one that is constructed from love and righteousness. The specific kind of `love' spoken of for this vessel is agape love; the highest level of love, the kind of love that God has for us and that we are to have for each other.

There is another Greek word translated into the English word `vessel;' it is skeuos (Strong's #4632). It is defined as; "a vessel, implement; equipment or apparatus." It is kin to the Hebrew word keliy (kehl-lee; Strong's #3627), which is nearly identical except for the additional definition that it is; "something prepared."

There are many verses in both the Hebrew and Greek scriptures which indicate that people are considered to be vessels or receptacles. Shaul, the one who became the apostle Paul, was one such person:

"But the Lord said to him, `Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.'" (Acts 9:15-16)

"But now, O Lord, You are our Father; We are the clay, and You our potter; And all we are the work of Your hand." (Isa. 64:8)

"What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared before hand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" (Rom. 9:22-24)

Thus it is, that the mind and heart of the Believer is to be the vessel which carries the oil for the lamp. But we are not to be just any old kind of vessel, we are to be vessels of agape (love) and mercy. The message is clear; the Bride is to be a `righteous love vessel,' practicing loving acts of righteousness.

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." (Rom. 12:1-2)

Just prior to the Parable of the Ten Virgins is another short parable called the Parable of the Two Servants. This parable is highly instructive, as it warns against being dogmatic about when the prophesied event of Yeshua's return will take place.

Just prior to the Parable of the Ten Virgins is another short parable called the Parable of the Two Servants. This parable is highly instructive, as it warns against being dogmatic about when the prophesied event of Yeshua's return will take place.

"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? "Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. But if that evil servant says in his heart, `My master is delaying his coming,' and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites.

"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 24:45-5 1)

Apparently, the `foolish virgins' failed to prepare adequately by not bringing with them an attitude of righteous love. Perhaps they were the ones who were abusing their fellow servants because they did not agree in every detail of doctrine, or those members of the Bride who had little patience for others who did not have the same understanding of scripture as they did.

MOST OF EVERYTHING I SAY COMES FROM CONCEPTS I LEARNED FROM EDDIE CHUMNEY.
So if I am ever due any credit for planting a concept in somebody else, it is not me who deserves credit.



{I am still learning and Eddie Chumney is always a good reference to look back on whether we agree wholly are not, Eddie is no doubt trying to prepare a bride for the bridegroom.}

DennisTate said:

H.F......may I take your entire opening post and copy and paste it into another discussion that I have going over in the Physical & Life Sciences forum?

My reason for doing this is that during his NDE Dr. Richard Eby....a gynecologist....reports seeing himself as a neuter????!!!

Whether what he reports is true or false is another subject....but personally I thought that this would help to explain some of those intriguing statements by our Messiah Jesus/Yehoshua regarding marriage and heaven??????!!!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7715259/

NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.

Take a look at post #64 here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7715259-7/

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HAHA, No I don't mind a bit Kingfish!

I had to laugh when I read,'' A gynecologist sees himself as a neuter.''

I do praise God that I have you here Dennis, you always make me smile with that NDE stuff.

I think forums should give many residence titles after they have been proved to be doctors in their own particular fields of study.

Of course I would be the official sitting resident of the guy who is obsessed with Ephraim.

We could make you the official {go to guy} of NDE.

The sitting resident official in charge of all NDE topics.

Avodat said:

Would that be the two-house, hebrew roots, very controversial Eddie Chumney? If so that might explain why there are some problems with MJ's.

All these teachings should be balanced by studying, very carefully, those academics who disagree - and, most importantly, why they disagree.


This is what he says he teaches, as at August 6th 2011:

"I teach that the ENTIRE BIBLE is written about Yeshua (Psalm 40:7, Hebrews 10;7). He said that the Torah, Prophets and Psalms are written of HIM (Luke 24:44)

I teach that Yeshua created the heavens and earth (John 1:3, 10, Colossians 2:16-17). I teach that Yeshua made covenant with Abraham (Galatians 3:16, 29). I teach that the ROCK that was with the children of Israel in the wilderness is Yeshua (I Corinthians 10:4). I teach the Yeshua is the RIGHT HAND that defeated Pharoah and his army in the Red Sea (Exodus 15:6). I teach that the RIGHT HAND and ARM that defeated the enemies of the children of Israel in the promised land (Psalm 44:2-3) is Yeshua (Isaiah 53:1). I teach that Yeshua saves and is the Savior (Matthew 1:21) and (Luke 2:11). I teach that Yeshua is the lawgiver (James 4:12, Hebrews 12:24-26, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6).

I teach that a marriage took place at mount Sinai (Jeremiah 2:1-3, Ezekiel 16:.

I teach that the 12 tribes of Israel broke the covenant at mount Sinai (Exodus 32) and were exiled into the nations of the world. Babylon took the Southern Kingdom captivity. Assyria took the Northern Kingdom captivity. The Northern Kingdom was judged by being scattered (Hosea 1:3) being given the status of "no mercy" (Hosea 1:6) and "not my people" (Hosea 1;9). Yet they would become sons of the living God (Hosea 1:10) and thus believers in Yeshua as the Messiah (John 1:12).

I teach that Messiah Yeshua died to gather and united (sic) the 12 tribes of Israel according to His own testimony (John 11:16-17) and repeated in (John 11:49-52). I teach that Yeshua RENEWED the covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8: by writing the Torah upon our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10). I teach that the WILD branches are GRAFTED IN (Romans 11:17) and become members of the commonwealth of Israel (Ephesians 2:12).

I teach that Yeshua died for ALL people (John 3:16) and that ALL people can join his new covenant family. When they do, they are ADOPTED and GRAFTED into the family of Messiah which He will rule over forever which is the house of Jacob (Luke 1;33). I teach that BOTH Jew and non-Jew are to express their faith in Messiah by loving Him and keeping His commandments (John 14:15).

I teach that being a member of Messiah's family is NOT based upon BLOODLINE IDENTITY. Yet, this is the ACCUSATION and the reason given for my dismissal from being a programmer on God's Learning Channel. The EVIDENCE of my testimony is the weekly TV programs themselves and the "Light of the Southwest" program which I have been on numerous times.

IF the accusations were TRUE that I teach Ephraimite ./ Two House BLOODLINE IDENTITY and GLC didn't want this teached (sic) then this would be one thing BUT I DON'T teach this but this is the reason given for being taken off GLC.

Since I have not derived any substantial gain from being on GLC but on the contrary HHMI has paid much of the travel expenses for being at GLC and have given of the resources of HHMI to GLC to help them raise money for worthwhile projects, my complaint it NOT about money. It is about standing for TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

The Torah requires us to STAND for TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is my motivation and this is the cause that I want you to join with me. I will stand that Yeshua died on the tree to gather and unite the 12 tribes of Israel. Since evangelical Christianity WON'T teach it and the MJAA, UMJC won't teach it. I WILL. The SHEEP of Messiah has been LIED to LONG ENOUGH. The SHEEP of Messiah MUST know WHY Yeshua died on the tree at his first coming and WHY He is coming again. The BRIDE MUST MAKE HERSELF READY. So, FALSE ACCUSATIONS by the enemy against this message CANNOT be aloud (sic) to stand".

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I do balance it with study, you would be hard pressed to find another person who studies more than I do, but then I'm a bit touched in the head with O.C.D. and I had decided that if I am to be obsessed, I would make it study.


The problems Eddie had was exactly what he explain here.

That many people did come against him amongst MJs but all the accusations were false. They claimed Eddie was teaching something that he was not teaching. It does remind me of how everyone came against the first disciples saying they were teaching something that they were in fact not teaching.

I believe what he teaches is of extreme importance and it was attacked, but because they couldn't debate what Eddie actually said, They invented something he did not say and accused him of saying and teaching it.

The whole thing is so incredible that it gives me even more reason to believe that he is teaching the truth, and that truth is attacked by any means, even to accusing him of teaching something that he did not teach.