Consulting the dead. VS Researching the Paranormal.

xXMikHaelXx · Jun 25, 2013

Consulting the dead. VS Researching the Paranormal.

I won't go into my whole life story but I deal with demons on a daily basis and it has started to bleed into my ministry work.

I run across a lot of people that don't believe in demons as actual real entities they think they are just an idea or sin that is personified. I also run across a lot of people that believe that there are ghosts.

If you set a recorder around me you are 100% guaranteed to hear other voices talking on the recording. These voices don't really bother me I do fall under oppression physically but it's something I've simply gotten used to working around and enduring. At one time in my life (most of my life actually) I was a prisoner to these demons but then God began this process of waking me up. During that time in my life their influence went beyond physical oppression and bordered on possession they were controlling my thoughts and actions.

I struggled with getting people to believe me. Even my own mother, who witnessed my sudden transformation, doesn't believe in demons as actual entities that reside around us.

As I began to get deeper and deeper into my ministry God prompted me to begin writing about my experience with demonic oppression, obsession, and possession. It's a subject that I have a lot of first-hand experience with but it's also a subject that brought a lot of fear.

Spending 25 years under the control of a demon can cause a bit of trauma and writing on the subject didn't really appeal to me.

I began writing but that didn't seem like enough. I couldn't get people to believe that demons were actual, real beings so I did something I swore I would never do again. I set down a recorder and recorded their chattering.

BUT I have a dilemma. Some people need to hear the recording they need to understand that demons really are real and they are all around. For those people, the recordings are doing something good.

Sorta like, Oh, you don't believe that demons exist? Would you like to hear the small entourage that I have following me around 24/7?

Proof = Instant understanding.

Then there are other people the believe in demons and could benefit from my experience but they write me off as some kind of heretic because I'm consulting the dead.

I don't know how to respond to these people. I don't consult the demons I set down a recorder, let it go for 5 minutes and then post my results. I also make it clear that I don't condone ghost hunting or doing what I do unless one is 100% prepared to deal with any sort of backlash and has a firm grasp on their faith.

When I was under demonic control I believed in ghosts and always assumed that the voices I would catch were ghosts of some kind. During that time I would sometimes hold little ghost hunting sessions. After I "woke up" I promptly deleted every recording I had ever made and proceeded to dub such things as "evil". So I do understand why these people think the way they do but it took direct intervention from God to change MY view...

What do you think?

Is paranormal research a case of consulting the dead?

I need arguments for and against.

tturt · Jun 26, 2013

Glad you're living for The L_rd now.

posted: Is paranormal research a case of consulting the dead?

Seems like it to me based on the couple of programs I watched. Scripture says don't - Yahweh tries to protect us.

endtimewarrior · Jun 26, 2013

If you're hearing voices you should get psychiatric aide.

Phantasman · Jun 26, 2013

endtimewarrior said:
If you're hearing voices you should get psychiatric aide.

Guess Jesus should have also, when he heard Legion.

ananda · Jun 26, 2013

Can I "research lying" by practicing lies, or is that breaking the commandment against lying?c

Manford · Jun 26, 2013

Where are your recordings posted to listen to?

Soulgazer · Jun 26, 2013

Meh---what other people believe should have no bearing on what you do. Not every ghost is a demon and not every demon a ghost, or even real. Temporal rifts, vibrational memory, displaced forest spirits.... no one has any way of telling. Just a part of the world like flutterbys and bumble bees that don't know they can't fly. People read their beliefs into what they experience. Listen to other people, and you can easily go nuts. Every creak a clanking chain, every meteor a flying saucer, every comet a portent.

xXMikHaelXx · Jun 26, 2013

endtimewarrior said:
If you're hearing voices you should get psychiatric aide.

Lol - You can hear them too, if you would like. I hear them on recordings - as in they are audibly recorded.

That is not to say that I don't also "hear" the voice of the Holy Spirit, as well as possible others - but not on the recordings.

You'll find any way to tear me down, won't you?

xXMikHaelXx · Jun 26, 2013

Manford said:
Where are your recordings posted to listen to?

Here's the first one. The second one is better but I don't feel comfortable posting it here because of content and language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-QkYGwFO1I

Soulgazer · Jun 26, 2013

xXMikHaelXx said:
Here's the first one. The second one is better but I don't feel comfortable posting it here because of content and language.

If you say so. I listened closely and couldn't hear thing.

xXMikHaelXx · Jun 26, 2013

Soulgazer said:
If you say so. I listened closely and couldn't hear thing.

Some people need headphones depending on how good their ears are.

I run each one by several people to make sure that there's something there. So I assure you that they are there.

Like I said the 2nd one is better but the content is rather bad. There are a few that are very profane on that one.

Soulgazer · Jun 27, 2013

My ears are excellent, except in the very high range, and I used headphones. I've heard EVP's before and I very truly and honestly could discern nothing that sounded like speech. Even allowing my mind to matrix.

I am not trying to insult you or what you do. Sorry.

xXMikHaelXx · Jun 27, 2013

Soulgazer said:
My ears are excellent, except in the very high range, and I used headphones. I've heard EVP's before and I very truly and honestly could discern nothing that sounded like speech. Even allowing my mind to matrix.

I am not trying to insult you or what you do. Sorry.

No worries,

I'm just saying that I ran them by several people and they heard the same things without being told what they said.

JoJo50 · Jun 28, 2013

xXMikHaelXx said:
Sadly MANY christians say they believe in the devil. But many don't believe the control or power they have over people. I think many should read the book of Job, ( Job 1:6-22, and Job 2:1-7), because demons REALLY did attack this faithful servant of Jehovah God. I too as well as MANY of my family had some dealings with demons. My family understands it's DEMONS. But the first few time, (when I was a teen), I was taught they were dead people. By the time I hit 25, I learn the truth, they wasn't!

Paranormal research is about seeking out the dead. ONLY those people don't realize these are demons ,NOT dead people. Satan will have MANY believe dead love ones are watching over the living. But MANY scriptures show the dead has NO memory at all ,( Psa. 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish). Some will say, yes, the dead doesn't know anything because the mind goes when they die. so if that's true, then why is it said the ghost of the love one, Remember them enough to come and speak to them, or protect them?

if that was true ,Then that would mean Jehovah God is a liar, and the dead REALLY DOES have KNOWLEDGE of the living. He's NOT a liar, he KNOW, as well as Jesus, that the dead has NO ghost that leaves the body. And can't contact the living. When the body dies, so those the memory. It's NOT transfer to a ghost that left the body ,(Eccle. 9:5,6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun).

The SOUL that MANY teach is the ghost of the dead, ISN'T!, It's the body of the living. When Jehovah God created Adam, he created a living soul ,(Gen. 2:6,7 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul). See also ,(1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam ,(Jesus),was made a quickening spirit).

Jesus said this concerning a SOUL ,(Luke 12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry). IF.. a soul was a ghost of the dead, I would like to see ANY scriptures showing the ghost of the dead still need sustenance.

So again, ghost hunters don't realize these are demons pretending to be the dead, in a sense playing tricks ,(Ephe. 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles, (tricks) of the devil) ,For one MAIN reason. They want people to practice believing the dead can communicate with the living. They KNOW MANY humans don't want to believe once one dies, theres NO MORE association with them. Demons knows this trick would lead humans into following false teaching. Which in turns, will lead them to being destroyed .

And since MANY REFUSE to believe the truth of Jehovah's words. He will help them to believe the lies they choose, (2 Thess. 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness). peace

Phantasman · Jun 28, 2013

I've heard the things people like "ghost hunters" think noises are saying. They usually plant the thought, and the noise assumes the characteristic. If someone just said "what is this saying" and played it, I heard nothing.

In the end, it's not WHAT the noise says, but what the mind perceives it to say. I don't believe spirits speak (for ears to hear) as much as they influence thought, in secret.

From hearing-voices.org:

"When we talk about voices and visions, we simply mean someone is hearing, seeing or sensing something that others around them aren’t. These experiences can include all five senses, hearing, sight, smell, taste and touch. These experiences can occur in one sense at a time (hearing a voice, for example, or smelling something), but they can also happen in combination.
For some, these experiences can be comforting. For example, someone who is lonely may really value a voice that becomes a trusted confidant. A person who has recently lost someone they care about may benefit from talking to them at the end of the day, or smelling their perfume/aftershave. Others find these experiences to be a source of inspiration. Authors, for example, sometimes talk about how the characters can come to life and write the story for them. However, for some people these voices and visions can be extremely distressing – criticising, threatening or causing confusion."

I do not judge what people see and/or hear, as many think they hear the Holy Spirit. Who am I to judge?................no one. I just make sure that what I hear and see, profits me spiritually, and if it doesn't, it's my mind to control and push useless thoughts aside.

PersephonesTear · Jul 23, 2013

I know this thread is a month old, so sorry. But it grabbed my interest.

It is my opinion that one of the biggest problems with the area of deliverance ministry is that verifiable proof of a miracle is seldom to be had.

Now, these recordings of yours aren't proof of a miracle, because as you said they still follow you around 24/7. But proof that what you are experiencing is real is invaluable, and I see nothing wrong with making the recordings. I would be careful with whom you share them, of course, but not overly paranoid. Who knows but that one day, you may be able to get these things away from you completely - at which point these would be part of your proof of a miracle.

The youtube video that you posted, honestly I'm not sure what I heard. It did sound like there was some stuff going on in the background - but it was so soft compared with the static air that came through that I couldn't have made out any specific words. I wonder if there is a way to clean it up a bit? I understand that you may not have equipment for that, though.

Incidentally - though I know someone else said this, I think it WOULD be a good idea for you to have a medical examination just to make sure there are no health concerns. I don't say this to be rude or to imply that these demons are not real, but the simple fact is that most people do not hear voices like this. It could be that the reason you hear them outside of recordings has to do with something that could be tied to a physical problem, and you do want to make sure you are healthy. And, absolutely, take your recordings with you so that you can confirm your problem to whatever physician you see. If you are hearing things that are below the frequency or wavelengths that most people hear, that can help them narrow down any possibly abnormalities. I am not saying that you are sick - I'm just saying that you should check and be doubly sure that you aren't.

Meanwhile, documenting things that are happening to you is not consulting the dead. I find the fact that you can pick up these sounds at any given time, randomly, to be something worth documenting. This is not ordinary, and you may be able to help someone in the future by having such evidence.

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