It is funny, "sodomy" is not a sin listed in Scripture.

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You'd search a long time to find a sin called "sodomy" in the Bible. The word is not there in any standard version. The KJV mentions "adultery" 33 times and "fornication" 35 times, but "sodomy" not once!

I find it downright amusing, the ESV finds it legit to translate in 1 Cor. 6:9 "men who practice homosexuality"; but where is "homosexuality" ever mentioned in Scripture as a sin? Just as the word "sodomy", that word "homosexuality is never mentioned, but "adultery" and "fornication" are.

The KJV uses "sodomite(s)" 5 times in the OT meaning "male cult prostitutes", never uses it in the NT
The NRSV uses "sodomite(s)" 2 times in the NT in today's meaning, never uses it in the OT

Why? The Hebrew & Greek behind the English "sodomites" has no connection to the Hebrew & Greek behind Sodom, but translate totally unrelated words. It is interesting what sexual sins are mentioned in association with Sodom, and it isn't "sodomy".

Jer 23:14 KJV "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah."

Jud 1:7 KJV "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
* It gives me a chuckle that "strange flesh" is "hetero sarx" in the Greek. Sounds like humans going after angel bodies to me.

The words "sodomy" and "sodomite" did not exist until the Roman Catholic church invented them in the middle ages. Check the etymology of the words.

Nero a sodomite abuser: "He castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies"
Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Nero lived in Paul's day so Paul knew of that sort of corruption and abuse and I'd call castrating a boy an abuse.

The NASB translates the Greek arsenokoites as "homosexuals" and the NKJV translates the Greek malakos as "homosexuals" Amazing, how 2 totally different words are made to mean "homosexuals" when you are intent on condemning a biblical sin by mislabeling it as something else!

Macmillan thesaurus on sodomite in its context of meaning:
Words for people according to their sexual behaviour - synonyms or related words for Words for people according to their sexual behaviour - Macmillan Dictionary and Thesaurus

Interesting commentary by the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Comm. of 1870 on Rm 1:26,27 -

"But observe how vice is here seen consuming and exhausting itself. When the passions, scourged by violent and continued indulgence in natural vices, became impotent to yield the craved enjoyment, resort was had to artificial stimulants by the practice of unnatural and monstrous vices."

Sounds like a bunch of lustful heterosexuals to me, sodomites burnt out with lusts. It seems that is what the JFB saw in Romans 1:26,27. I agree, see Nero above.
 

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but where is "homosexuality" ever mentioned in Scripture as a sin?

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination;" Leviticus 20:13

I already pointed this out to you twice in the other thread.
 
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"...and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

...That sounds like heterosexuality to you?

Fornication and adultery are sex outside of marriage. In the Bible there is no marriage but between a man and a woman.
 
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Now you are are just being dishonest there ChaseWind.

Kidnap is not found in the bible either,so therefore it must be all right to do. Just because a term we use to describe an act, doesn't mean the Bible is against it because it isn't mentioned by name.
 
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Anal sex is not a sin and is something that married couples can do but don't have to. If both partners are ok with it and are comfortable then so be it. What they do in their bedroom is their business. Now if one partner is not comfortable the other spouse should not pressure them into it. It needs to be a mutual thing.

It is perfectly fine if it is in marriage and is mutual between both partners.
 
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You'd search a long time to find a sin called "sodomy" in the Bible. The word is not there in any standard version. The KJV mentions "adultery" 33 times and "fornication" 35 times, but "sodomy" not once!

I find it downright amusing, the ESV finds it legit to translate in 1 Cor. 6:9 "men who practice homosexuality"; but where is "homosexuality" ever mentioned in Scripture as a sin? Just as the word "sodomy", that word "homosexuality is never mentioned, but "adultery" and "fornication" are.

The KJV uses "sodomite(s)" 5 times in the OT meaning "male cult prostitutes", never uses it in the NT
The NRSV uses "sodomite(s)" 2 times in the NT in today's meaning, never uses it in the OT

Why? The Hebrew & Greek behind the English "sodomites" has no connection to the Hebrew & Greek behind Sodom, but translate totally unrelated words. It is interesting what sexual sins are mentioned in association with Sodom, and it isn't "sodomy".

Jer 23:14 KJV "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah."

Jud 1:7 KJV "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
* It gives me a chuckle that "strange flesh" is "hetero sarx" in the Greek. Sounds like humans going after angel bodies to me.

The words "sodomy" and "sodomite" did not exist until the Roman Catholic church invented them in the middle ages. Check the etymology of the words.

Nero a sodomite abuser: "He castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies"
Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Nero lived in Paul's day so Paul knew of that sort of corruption and abuse and I'd call castrating a boy an abuse.

The NASB translates the Greek arsenokoites as "homosexuals" and the NKJV translates the Greek malakos as "homosexuals" Amazing, how 2 totally different words are made to mean "homosexuals" when you are intent on condemning a biblical sin by mislabeling it as something else!

Macmillan thesaurus on sodomite in its context of meaning:
Words for people according to their sexual behaviour - synonyms or related words for Words for people according to their sexual behaviour - Macmillan Dictionary and Thesaurus

Interesting commentary by the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Comm. of 1870 on Rm 1:26,27 -

"But observe how vice is here seen consuming and exhausting itself. When the passions, scourged by violent and continued indulgence in natural vices, became impotent to yield the craved enjoyment, resort was had to artificial stimulants by the practice of unnatural and monstrous vices."

Sounds like a bunch of lustful heterosexuals to me, sodomites burnt out with lusts. It seems that is what the JFB saw in Romans 1:26,27. I agree, see Nero above.

Is this not the fourth thread that you have started in the past two weeks on homosexuality? This weekend, I attended the 666th annual conference of the American Confederation of Doctors of Psychiatric Medicine and Dr. Braindead delivered a lecture on the obsessive-compulsion disorder suffered by a guy who posts on a Christian message board.:D Any way, back to the Bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, (RSV, 1946)

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, (RSV, 1971)

1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (ESV, 2001)

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (ESV, 2007)

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (ESV, 2011)

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, (NRSV, 1989)

1 Corinthians 6:9. Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, (NASB, 1977)

1 Corinthians 6:9. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, (NASB, 1995)

I do not believe that what the Scriptures teach about homosexual behavior is “downright amusing.” We have in the English language some 600,000 words—three times as many as in some other European languages—and yet we do not have a distinguishing word for either of the two partners involved in the act of sodomy. Instead, we use descriptive phrases, such as “the passive partner,” and “the active partner.” Therefore, how would you suggest that 1 Cor 6:9 be translated,

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the passive partner in the act of sodomy, nor the active partner in the act of sodomy, (Proposed in jest, 2013)?:idea:
 
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Anal sex is not a sin and is something that married couples can do but don't have to. if both partners are ok with it and are comfortable then so be it. What they do in their bedroom is their business. Now if one partner is not comfortable the other spouse should not pressure them into it. It needs to be a mutual thing.

It is perfectly fine if it is in marriage and is mutual between both partners.
Are you not aware of the dangers with anal sex? See Homosexual men twice as likely to have cancer: study

The anus was not designed by God to be penetrated sexually. The vagina was.

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Is this not the fourth thread that you have started in the past two weeks on homosexuality? This weekend, I attended the 666th annual conference of the American Confederation of Doctors of Psychiatric Medicine and Dr. Braindead delivered a lecture on the obsessive-compulsion disorder suffered by a guy who posts on a Christian message board.:D Any way, back to the Bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, (RSV, 1946)

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, (RSV, 1971)

1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (ESV, 2001)

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (ESV, 2007)

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (ESV, 2011)

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, (NRSV, 1989)

1 Corinthians 6:9. Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, (NASB, 1977)

1 Corinthians 6:9. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, (NASB, 1995)

I do not believe that what the Scriptures teach about homosexual behavior is “downright amusing.” We have in the English language some 600,000 words—three times as many as in some other European languages—and yet we do not have a distinguishing word for either of the two partners involved in the act of sodomy. Instead, we use descriptive phrases, such as “the passive partner,” and “the active partner.” Therefore, how would you suggest that 1 Cor 6:9 be translated,

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the passive partner in the act of sodomy, nor the active partner in the act of sodomy, (Proposed in jest, 2013)?:idea:
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Well stated brother Princeton.

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You'd search a long time to find a sin called "sodomy" in the Bible. The word is not there in any standard version. The KJV mentions "adultery" 33 times and "fornication" 35 times, but "sodomy" not once!

I find it downright amusing, the ESV finds it legit to translate in 1 Cor. 6:9 "men who practice homosexuality"; but where is "homosexuality" ever mentioned in Scripture as a sin? Just as the word "sodomy", that word "homosexuality is never mentioned, but "adultery" and "fornication" are.

The KJV uses "sodomite(s)" 5 times in the OT meaning "male cult prostitutes", never uses it in the NT
The NRSV uses "sodomite(s)" 2 times in the NT in today's meaning, never uses it in the OT

Why? The Hebrew & Greek behind the English "sodomites" has no connection to the Hebrew & Greek behind Sodom, but translate totally unrelated words. It is interesting what sexual sins are mentioned in association with Sodom, and it isn't "sodomy".

Jer 23:14 KJV "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah."

Jud 1:7 KJV "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
* It gives me a chuckle that "strange flesh" is "hetero sarx" in the Greek. Sounds like humans going after angel bodies to me.

The words "sodomy" and "sodomite" did not exist until the Roman Catholic church invented them in the middle ages. Check the etymology of the words.

Nero a sodomite abuser: "He castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies"
Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Nero lived in Paul's day so Paul knew of that sort of corruption and abuse and I'd call castrating a boy an abuse.

The NASB translates the Greek arsenokoites as "homosexuals" and the NKJV translates the Greek malakos as "homosexuals" Amazing, how 2 totally different words are made to mean "homosexuals" when you are intent on condemning a biblical sin by mislabeling it as something else!

Macmillan thesaurus on sodomite in its context of meaning:
Words for people according to their sexual behaviour - synonyms or related words for Words for people according to their sexual behaviour - Macmillan Dictionary and Thesaurus

Interesting commentary by the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Comm. of 1870 on Rm 1:26,27 -

"But observe how vice is here seen consuming and exhausting itself. When the passions, scourged by violent and continued indulgence in natural vices, became impotent to yield the craved enjoyment, resort was had to artificial stimulants by the practice of unnatural and monstrous vices."

Sounds like a bunch of lustful heterosexuals to me, sodomites burnt out with lusts. It seems that is what the JFB saw in Romans 1:26,27. I agree, see Nero above.

its all sexual immorality and lust of the flesh - i see no sense in defining it into groups then dissecting it into ambiguity then arguing over the ambiguity until it loses all Godliness ..
may i ask what is your point or motive for the post ?
as it may be easily misinterpreted -, as in the absence of speaking against it - , it almost sounds as if you are promoting it.
 
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Dueto 23:17 "There shall be no cult prostitute of the daughters of Israel, neither shall there be a cult prostitute of the sons of Israel.

Gen 19:1 [1]
[3] But he urged them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
[4] But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house;
[5] and they called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them."
[6] Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after him,
[7] and said, "I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.

1 Kings 14:24;
[24] and there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD drove out before the people of Israel.

15:12;
[12] He put away the male cult prostitutes out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
22:46
[46] And the remnant of the male cult prostitutes who remained in the days of his father Asa, he exterminated from the land.
1Cor 5:1 - 6:18
[1]
It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father's wife.
[2] And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
[3]For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment
[4] in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
[5] you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[9]i wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men;
[10] not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
[11] But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber -- not even to eat with such a one.
[12] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
[13] God judges those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you."

1Cor.6
[9]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
[10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
[13] "Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food" -- and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
[14] And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power.
[15] Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never!
[16] Do you not know that he who joins himself to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two shall become one flesh."
[17] But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
[18] Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.
[19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own;
[20] you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

; 7:2;
[2] But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

10:8
[8] We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day.

1Tim 1:10

[9] understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
[10] immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
[11] in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

Heb 12:16;
[16] that no one be immoral or irreligious like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal.

13:4
[4] Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous.

Tobit 4:12
12 “Beware, my son, of all immorality.[c] First of all take a wife from among the descendants of your fathers and do not marry a foreign woman, who is not of your father’s tribe; for we are the sons of the prophets. Remember, my son, that Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our fathers of old, all took wives from among their brethren. They were blessed in their children, and their posterity will inherit the land.

Sir 41:17;
17 Be ashamed of immorality, before your father or mother;
and of a lie, before a prince or a ruler;

23:16 -17
16 Two sorts of men multiply sins,
and a third incurs wrath.
The soul heated like a burning fire
will not be quenched until it is consumed;
a man who commits fornication with his near of kin[e]
will never cease until the fire burns him up.
17 To a fornicator all bread tastes sweet;
he will never cease until he dies.

21 This man will be punished in the streets of the city,
and where he least suspects it, he will be seized.
22 So it is with a woman who leaves her husband
and provides an heir by a stranger.
23 For first of all, she has disobeyed the law of the Most High;
second, she has committed an offense against her husband;
and third, she has committed adultery through harlotry
and brought forth children by another man.
24 She herself will be brought before the assembly,
and punishment will fall on her children.
25 Her children will not take root,
and her branches will not bear fruit.
26 She will leave her memory for a curse,
and her disgrace will not be blotted out.
27 Those who survive her will recognize
that nothing is better than the fear of the Lord,
and nothing sweeter than to heed the commandments of the Lord.

2 Cor 12:21
21 I fear that when I come again my God may humble me before you, and I may have to mourn over many of those who sinned before and have not repented of the impurity, immorality, and licentiousness which they have practiced.

Jude 1:7
7 just as Sodom and Gomor′rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

8 Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.[d] 9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”[e] 10 But these men revile whatever they do not understand, and by those things that they know by instinct as irrational animals do, they are destroyed. 11 Woe to them! For they walk in the way of Cain, and abandon themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error, and perish in Korah’s rebellion. 12 These are blemishes[f] on your love feasts, as they boldly carouse together, looking after themselves; waterless clouds, carried along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars for whom the nether gloom of darkness has been reserved for ever.

Lev 18:22;
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

20:13
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.

Romans 1:26-27

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. 29 They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.

Wis 14:12;
12 For the idea of making idols was the beginning of fornication,
and the invention of them was the corruption of life,

14:26
12 For the idea of making idols was the beginning of fornication,
and the invention of them was the corruption of life,
13 for neither have they existed from the beginning
nor will they exist for ever.
14 For through the vanity of men they entered the world,
and therefore their speedy end has been planned.
15 For a father, consumed with grief at an untimely bereavement,
made an image of his child, who had been suddenly taken from him;
and he now honored as a god what was once a dead human being,
and handed on to his dependents secret rites and initiations.
16 Then the ungodly custom, grown strong with time, was kept as a law,
and at the command of monarchs graven images were worshiped.
17 When men could not honor monarchs[a] in their presence, since they lived at a distance,
they imagined their appearance far away,
and made a visible image of the king whom they honored,
so that by their zeal they might flatter the absent one as though present.
18 Then the ambition of the craftsman impelled
even those who did not know the king to intensify their worship.
19 For he, perhaps wishing to please his ruler,
skilfully forced the likeness to take more beautiful form,
20 and the multitude, attracted by the charm of his work,
now regarded as an object of worship the one whom shortly before they had honored as a man.
21 And this became a hidden trap for mankind,
because men, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority,
bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared.
22 Afterward it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God,
but they live in great strife due to ignorance,
and they call such great evils peace.
23 For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries,
or hold frenzied revels with strange customs,
24 they no longer keep either their lives or their marriages pure,
but they either treacherously kill one another, or grieve one another by adultery,
25 and all is a raging riot of blood and murder, theft and deceit, corruption, faithlessness, tumult, perjury,
26 confusion over what is good, forgetfulness of favors,
pollution of souls, sex perversion,
disorder in marriage, adultery, and debauchery.

Mt 15:19
hatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and so passes on?[d] 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

Gal 5:19
19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephes 5:3 - 5
3 But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them, 8 for once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10 and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of the things that they do in secret; 13 but when anything is exposed by the light it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light.

Col 3:5
5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming.[a] 7 In these you once walked, when you lived in them. 8 But now put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and foul talk from your mouth.

Rev 21:8;

8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”[d]
22:15
 
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Are you not aware of the dangers with anal sex? See Homosexual men twice as likely to have cancer: study

The anus was not designed by God to be penetrated sexually. The vagina was.

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I don't have anal sex I am not comfortable with it. But it is a personal choice for a husband and wife to make in their marriage. I do not believe it is a sin if it is done in heterosexual marriage and both partners are comfortable and consent to it. They are allowed to explore and enjoy one another's bodies however they wish in marriage. It is no different than role play or using sex toys or whatever. As long as they are only having intimacy with one another no lust for anyone else is brought into the bedroom and both partners are ok with it they can do what they want.
 
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I don't have anal sex I am not comfortable with it. But it is a personal choice for a husband and wife to make in their marriage. I do not believe it is a sin if it is done in heterosexual marriage and both partners are comfortable and consent to it. They are allowed to explore and enjoy one another's bodies however they wish in marriage. It is no different than role play or using sex toys or whatever. As long as they are only having intimacy with one another no lust for anyone else is brought into the bedroom and both partners are ok with it they can do what they want.
Nevertheless, it's a dangerous physical practice as the incidence of anal cancer indicates.

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Nevertheless, it's a dangerous physical practice as the incidence of anal cancer indicates.

Oz

That is for every married couple to decide for themselves in the privacy of their bedroom. If they wan to take that risk they are more than welcome and are without sin in that choice.
 
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