Forget the Church Follow Jesus?

I dont need a theology degree, a master, a Pope or any man, i say this only to glorify the Lord and His power. Trust in God alone and nothing can stop you, nothing.

Godisreal and i earned my stripes, i boast mightily in Him, He alone is my savior. No politician, no doctor, physchologist, no teacher. Amen

Ps 54:4 Behold, God is mine helper: the Lord is with them that uphold my soul.

Ps 72:12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.

Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

MamaZ said:

And here we thought that it had never changed and was the same for over 2000 years.. Imagine that.

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Change doctrine or dogma? No. Change how they approach things? Yes.

BrotherDC said:

lol, i don't even read negative posts anymore. Peace.

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Dodge the truth doesn't change it.

Ro 8:1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit[/B].
Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Ro 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Ro 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Ro 8:10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Ro 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Ro 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Ro 8:17 ¶ And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Ro 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Ro 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Ro 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Ro 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Ro 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Ro 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Ro 8:26 ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Ro 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Ro 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Ro 8:29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ro 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Ro 8:31 ¶ What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Ro 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Ro 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Ro 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Ro 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Ro 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Ro 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Ro 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Ro 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ps 30:10 Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper.

BrotherDC said:

Flesh, bread and wine = doctrine

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Christ doctrine and of course you ignore it just like the Jews did because they did not like what Christ said just like you. You put your eternal soul into jeopardy by ignoring Christ and making your own way

sonshine234 said:

Christ doctrine and of course you ignore it just like the Jews did because they did not like what Christ said just like you. You put your eternal soul into jeopardy by ignoring Christ and making your own way

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Lol, not me.


Job 30:13 They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.

BrotherDC said:

Rcc teaches error, they teach communion as a means to forgive sins. This is false and if we do not hear and follow Jesus teachings through He and Apostles then we have no life in us. They may deny that they teach this but they do.

I dont know everything and im not about to rail against baptism or the Lords supper, but i wont deny what i do know either, and that is without Christ alone and without His doctrine alone then those things mean nothing. Without faith in the cross alone baptism wont save us, without obeying Christs doctrine bread and wine is useless. And Mary is not our advocate or co redeemer, that belongs to the Holy Spirit Himself.

Dont follow the Popes church, follow Christ

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You clearly know nothing about the Catholic Church, evidenced by your falsehood against them

ViaCrucis said:

When I was an infant, I didn't need a mother to feed me, I had milk to nourish me.

If the above statement sounds silly, it's because it is.

None of us could have been nourished by the pure Word of God without our mother, God's Church, feeding the Word to us as pure food.

-CryptoLutheran

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Amen!

sonshine234 said:

You clearly know nothing about the Catholic Church, evidenced by your falsehood against them

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You clearly dont know anything about me.

sonshine234 said:

You clearly know nothing about the Catholic Church, evidenced by your falsehood against them

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I am compelled to be fair: this addresses his person, and while it is fundamentally clear that there is nothing more than anti-Vatican Catholic venom in this thread, we shouldn't drop to the same level of personal attacks.

Only the points and arguments should be addressed.

Ban for praising the Lord, me and the Lord shall laugh.

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Mt 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

BrotherDC said:

Lol, not me.


Job 30:13 They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.

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Yes you. You see your only pasting things that you want so you'll feel good but the other things in Scripture you blithely ignore. It has been shown to you Christ own words but you ignore them and call them man made. It was Christ who said if you did not partake of His flesh you have no eternal life, tell me is the fact you just want to feel good more important than Christ own words? Here they are again:

Anyone who eats the bread from heaven, however, will never die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever; and this bread, which I will offer so the world may live, is my flesh.”

John 6:50-51

So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you. But anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise that person at the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

John 6:54-56

Twice Christ told them the same thing and what did His disciples do? They turned away from Him because it was to hard for them to accept. Will you turn aay to because you don't like the part here that Christ Himself uttered? The choice is yours

BrotherDC said:

You clearly dont know anything about me.

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So far I can see evidence in this thread that you reject those things in Scripture to difficult for you and that you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to the Catholic Church

PaladinValer said:

I am compelled to be fair: this addresses his person, and while it is fundamentally clear that there is nothing more than anti-Vatican Catholic venom in this thread, we shouldn't drop to the same level of personal attacks.

Only the points and arguments should be addressed.

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Of course

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I still see no where that we are to follow a church. We are to pick up our cross and follow Christ. His people are the Church. So once again it makes no sense