A question about Job.

yeshuasavedme · Jun 22, 2013

brinny said:
Was she sitting in the trash heap with Job, covered head to foot in sores that the dogs were licking, and being challenged over and over again while in the deepest throes of his misery by friends? Where was she? If Job was a wise man, and a righteous man, why would he want this woman, who betrayed him and God in his worst hour and appeared to be nowhere around in this horror of a chapter of his life?

I'm thinkin' she left him in disgust, never to be seen again....

sorry sister, but this a very difficult book for me to read and study on....

Why are you being so hard against the wife of Job and why so much judgment on her with imaginations about her that there is not a shred of evidence to support, when all circumstantial evidence shows us that she and Job went on with life and had ten more children?

It is not good to look for evil in her, when she just had as much as she could bear and spoke in unbelief.... There is no more to the story than Job's rebuke. period.

She could not change the circumstances and she had to wait until it all played out. It was not up to her to fix it, and her life was in sorrow as well, having lost her ten children -not to mention all her wealth...

SolomonVII · Jun 22, 2013

brinny said:
i dunno, this is a very hard part for me with this study.

And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job. 42:10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before. 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. 42:12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. 42:13 He had also seven sons and three daughters. 42:14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Keren-happuch. 42:15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren. 42:16 After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons sons, even four generations. 42:17 So Job died, being old and full of days.

God told them all that they were wrong, and that Job was right. They all listened to God and they made their amends to Job for their transgressions against Job's character.
They made their amends to Job, Job prayed for them, and God accepted them on account of Job's prayers for them.

By all accounts, with everybody who had known Job, full amends were made.

Rick Otto · Jun 22, 2013

I heard there was great after party.

SolomonVII · Jun 22, 2013

Seven bulls and seven rams is a heck of a lot of meat, especially before the invention of the refrigerator.
Sounds like a great party to me too.

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

I haven't gotten that far in the study.......God tells Job that he was right?

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

Originally Posted by brinny
Was she sitting in the trash heap with Job, covered head to foot in sores that the dogs were licking, and being challenged over and over again while in the deepest throes of his misery by friends? Where was she? If Job was a wise man, and a righteous man, why would he want this woman, who betrayed him and God in his worst hour and appeared to be nowhere around in this horror of a chapter of his life?

I'm thinkin' she left him in disgust, never to be seen again....

sorry sister, but this a very difficult book for me to read and study on....

yeshuasavedme said:
Why are you being so hard against the wife of Job and why so much judgment on her with imaginations about her that there is not a shred of evidence to support, when all circumstantial evidence shows us that she and Job went on with life and had ten more children?

It is not good to look for evil in her, when she just had as much as she could bear and spoke in unbelief.... There is no more to the story than Job's rebuke. period.

She could not change the circumstances and she had to wait until it all played out. It was not up to her to fix it, and her life was in sorrow as well, having lost her ten children -not to mention all her wealth...

Job lost all that and more. No evil intended towards Job's wife on my part....i am keenly aware of how utterly horrible was Job's suffering, however, and that he did not attack her but he absorbed her attack on him. He was at the point of such suffering that it's a wonder he didn't lose his mind. His wife offered him no comfort. He was alone, bearing all of this by himself, at least that is the way it appears, as his wife seems no where to be found.

Sorry sister, i'm just sharing honestly here, as this study in Job is very difficult for me. Suffering such as Job's is hard to fathom and read and study about.

This is the subject of another thread, but i liken Job and Jabez's situations as similar in how they suffered. And both seem to be grossly misunderstood by many. Both are pet peeves of mine.

Please continue sharing sis...you may very well be right about Job's wife.....i am continually lifting up all that this is stirring up in me to God....i'm sure He has a purpose in it all....bear with me sis. I appreciate your input and ev'ryone's input.

Rhamiel · Jun 22, 2013

brinny said:
I haven't gotten that far in the study.......God tells Job that he was right?

no... not really
God tells Job to shut up

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

Originally Posted by brinny
I haven't gotten that far in the study.......God tells Job that he was right?

Rhamiel said:
no... not really
God tells Job to shut up

LOL! What?!

Fireinfolding · Jun 22, 2013

Heres something I hadn't noticed before. Recall Paul speaks of the temptation that was in his flesh? Why would he call that which was in his flesh a "temptation"? In Job, the touching of his very flesh came with a "he will" (through it) "curse you" in this thing.
Not only that, but I was looking at this again, and turning my attention to Jobs wife. The wife is also the flesh of his flesh and the bone of the man's bone (They two are one flesh also). Which is interesting, because the same temptation (to curse God) in the touching his flesh is also mirrored in and coming through Job's wife to do so also. That's what I was catching this morning.

So we see Job being sifted (even as Jesus said to Simon, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat). We see the expressed desire a bit more clearly in Job (in the howso's). Afterall we are to consider the patience of Job and we know tribulation "worketh patience".

This portion in particular when his flesh is touched and the temptation that can be shown accompanying it

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan,Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. (see Job 9:17 also)

Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD,and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

There shows the temptation (which is) to curse God in Jobs flesh

So Satan struck him with boils

Job 2:8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal ; and he sat down among the ashes.

Being tempted to do Satan's desire through his wife now too

Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

Which sorta reminds me of this

2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Satan... and the touching of his flesh and bone (along with the temptation) in respects to the same here

Touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Now Jobs wife (his flesh and bone also) and Satans expressed desire (towards him) through his wife

Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Both (really) are his flesh and bone, even as Eve was Adam's just the same. Gotta look at this some more, because it hadn't dawned on me how the two could be shown in the same. Also how the same temptation to curse God (as Satan desired) comes at him through his own wife (his own flesh and bone) also.

SolomonVII · Jun 22, 2013

brinny said:
I haven't gotten that far in the study.......God tells Job that he was right?

Basically, yes.
That is what he tells the friends. He says to them that 'you guys haven't spoken things that are right, like Job as'.

And really, Job was right. He wasn't being slam-dunked by God on account of his sin, but on account of the bet that Satan and God had going where Satan bet that if the heat was turned on a bitt hotter, Job would break.

In response to the question "why suffering", God shuts Job up by telling him that he don't know nuthin', but other than that, he basically lets everybody knows that Job was right all along.

The friends back off and make their amends to Job. Job accepts their amends, prays on their behalf, and God blesses Job sevenfold.

BrotherDC · Jun 22, 2013

Fireinfolding said:
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, What[/U]? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

I wonder if "evil" is translated correctly. And this verse reminds me of Romans 8.

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Fireinfolding · Jun 22, 2013

Ephes 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephes 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephes 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Speaks of the evil day, Satan sifting Job is shown openly

Rhamiel · Jun 22, 2013

LOL Brinny, this is a great book
finish the book and then we can talk about it

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

Rhamiel said:
LOL Brinny, this is a great book
finish the book and then we can talk about it

Well i am gettin' a kick outta God tellin' Job to shut up (haven't gotten to that part yet) and God usin' sarcasm....it's crackin' me up just thinkin' about it.....can yu imagine God bein' sarcastic? hahaaaaa

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

Fireinfolding said:
Ephes 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephes 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephes 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Speaks of the evil day, Satan sifting Job is shown openly

Yeah, he be siftin' da daylights outta him....and right there for all to see...like a spectacle...

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

BrotherDC said:
I wonder if "evil" is translated correctly. And this verse reminds me of Romans 8.

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Great, edifying verses.....still munchin' a bit to see how they fit in with Job's situation....

BrotherDC · Jun 22, 2013

brinny said:
Great, edifying verses.....still munchin' a bit to see how they fit in with Job's situation....

This reminds me of Jobs situation. Its pretty broad and surely suffering is mentioned here.

5 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

Originally Posted by brinny
Great, edifying verses.....still munchin' a bit to see how they fit in with Job's situation....

BrotherDC said:
This reminds me of Jobs situation. Its pretty broad and surely suffering is mentioned here.

5 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

yes, it surely speaks of suffering.....maybe what most sticks out for me is the mental toll this took on Job.....

how long was Job suffering like this?

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 22, 2013

brinny said:
yes, it surely speaks of suffering.....maybe what most sticks out for me is the mental toll this took on Job.....

how long was Job suffering like this?

Never thought of that.

As long as it took to convince his 3 "friends" of his innocence I suppose, whether 1 day or many days I would think.

Rom 5:3
Not only that, but we [Christians] rejoice in our sufferings,
knowing that suffering produces endurance,

1Pe 2:19
For it is commendable if someone [a Christian] bears up under the pain of unjust suffering,
because they are conscious of God.

brinny · Jun 22, 2013

Whoa!!!! Thanks for that reminder and those verses.

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