IRS: $46 million to 24,000 illegal aliens at one Atlanta address

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IRS Sent $46 Million in Tax Refunds to 23,994 ‘Unauthorized’ Aliens — All at the SAME Address in Atlanta
The TIGTA audit report, published last year at the request of members of Congress, revealed 10 addresses in the U.S. that were issued anywhere from 1,846 to 23,994 tax refunds each. Four of those 10 addresses were located in Atlanta.
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Washington has apparently been aware of the problem for the better part of a decade.

“The IRS has long known it was giving these numbers to illegal aliens, and thus facilitating their ability to work illegally in the United States. For example, the Treasury Inspector General’s Semiannual Report to Congress published on Oct. 29, 1999—nearly fourteen years ago—specifically drew attention to this problem,”
Evidently IRS employees must have lost any sense for legitimate rule of law many years ago. :cry:
 

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Do you even look at the source material of the stuff you link to? The preface of the PDF states that the investigation was initiated because IRS employees noticed the fraudulent activities. You wouldn't have had to read the whole 40 pages document, just scanned the first few pages.
 
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Do you even look at the source material of the stuff you link to? The preface of the PDF states that the investigation was initiated because IRS employees noticed the fraudulent activities. You wouldn't have had to read the whole 40 pages document, just scanned the first few pages.
That excuses the FACT that this activity was known about at least fourteen years ago, how exactly?
 
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That excuses the FACT that this activity was known about at least fourteen years ago, how exactly?
Sorry. should have quoted your commentary:

Evidently IRS employees must have lost any sense for legitimate rule of law many years ago. :cry:
And since the preface of the report that both the Blaze and CNS linked to multiple times within their article mentions (and the report goes on to mention at least twice more) that this investigation was started because IRS employees complained about their lack of ability to combat this fraud, I found your commentary to be sorely misplaced.
 
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Sorry. should have quoted your commentary:

And since the preface of the report that both the Blaze and CNS linked to multiple times within their article mentions (and the report goes on to mention at least twice more) that this investigation was started because IRS employees complained about their lack of ability to combat this fraud, I found your commentary to be sorely misplaced.
Did you miss this part?
The TIGTA report explains that the IRS since 1996 has been issuing what it calls Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to both non-resident aliens who have tax liability in the U.S. and illegal aliens living in the U.S. but who are “not authorized to work in the country.
and this ...
Yet, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, the IRS assigned 15,028 unauthorized aliens ITINs at the same address in Dallas, Texas, and 10,356 ITINs at the same address in Atlantic City, N.J.
Indicates to me that the agency is out-of-control.

Here's what the Center for Immigration Studies said in 1992: Giving Cover to Illegal Aliens: IRS Tax ID Numbers Subvert Immigration Law
The IRS Provides "Official" Identification to Illegal Aliens
The IRS’s seeming lack of interest in protecting the integrity of the Social Security number from fraudulent use pales to insignificance, however, when faced with the reality that it is responsible for providing a backdoor way for millions of illegal aliens to receive a U.S. government-issued identity number. And it is doing so despite the fact that in 1999 the Treasury Department’s Inspector General for Tax Administration said the decision by the IRS to issue these Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to illegal aliens "seems counter-productive to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) mission to identify illegal aliens and prevent unlawful entry."
The Center for Immigration Studies places the blame squarely on the IRS, which alone decided to issue the IDs to illegal aliens.
Either at the program’s inception or shortly thereafter, the IRS seems to have expanded the initial purpose of the ITIN by making a policy decision to issue it to resident aliens, including individuals residing illegally in the United States. The audit report referenced above questioned this policy to "legalize" illegal aliens.
The IRS ... an agency completely out-of-control. Sign here if you agree: Abolish the I.R.S. Now

Approaching 100,000 signatures already. :clap:
 
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Did you miss this part?
The TIGTA report explains that the IRS since 1996 has been issuing what it calls Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to both non-resident aliens who have tax liability in the U.S. and illegal aliens living in the U.S. but who are “not authorized to work in the country.
and this ...
Yet, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, the IRS assigned 15,028 unauthorized aliens ITINs at the same address in Dallas, Texas, and 10,356 ITINs at the same address in Atlantic City, N.J.
Indicates to me that the agency is out-of-control.

Here's what the Center for Immigration Studies said in 1992: Giving Cover to Illegal Aliens: IRS Tax ID Numbers Subvert Immigration Law
The IRS Provides "Official" Identification to Illegal Aliens
The IRS’s seeming lack of interest in protecting the integrity of the Social Security number from fraudulent use pales to insignificance, however, when faced with the reality that it is responsible for providing a backdoor way for millions of illegal aliens to receive a U.S. government-issued identity number. And it is doing so despite the fact that in 1999 the Treasury Department’s Inspector General for Tax Administration said the decision by the IRS to issue these Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to illegal aliens "seems counter-productive to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) mission to identify illegal aliens and prevent unlawful entry."
The Center for Immigration Studies places the blame squarely on the IRS, which alone decided to issue the IDs to illegal aliens.
Either at the program’s inception or shortly thereafter, the IRS seems to have expanded the initial purpose of the ITIN by making a policy decision to issue it to resident aliens, including individuals residing illegally in the United States. The audit report referenced above questioned this policy to "legalize" illegal aliens.
The IRS ... an agency completely out-of-control. Sign here if you agree: Abolish the I.R.S. Now

Approaching 100,000 signatures already. :clap:
Wow. All that typing and you absolutely failed to address the point that it was IRS employees that got the ball rolling on this investigation which was in direct contradiction to your OP statement.
 
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Wow. All that typing and you absolutely failed to address the point that it was IRS employees that got the ball rolling on this investigation ...
Correct, so far.
... which was in direct contradiction to your OP statement.
Incorrect. There is no contradiction. The IRS is out-of-control ... and has been for a very long time. The fact that some within the IRS ratted out others doesn't change that FACT, especially since the efforts of the Inspector General failed to bring about any changes to the very IRS policies which were challenged.
 
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from the report:
Further, our review found no indication that the IRS uses application information included in its Real-Time System to identify potential fraud schemes.
So, while this group at the IRS encourages blatant fraud and lawlessness ...
So it wasn't just the fact Conservative groups were being scrutinized, it is the fact the IRS was stalling on giving answers, and then demanding information that they aren't legally allowed to ask for in the first place.
This should just be automatically stickied in every thread on the IRS as this is the REAL concern.
... another group at the IRS works relentlessly to ensure that legitimate tax breaks can never be obtained by millions of Americans.

Double good on ya for pointing that out, Vylo. :thumbsup:
 
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Why shouldn't the IRS issue ITINs to illegal aliens? If they're here and working why not let them pay taxes?

True that not only illegal aliens use ITINs, but I imagine that a lot of these are.

What exactly is the big problem here? That illegals aren't giving their real address to the taxman? *shrug* I can understand why they might be a little wary on giving driving directions to the family house to federal officials.

Can we just be happy that conservatives have learned illegals do pay taxes?
 
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Why shouldn't the IRS issue ITINs to illegal aliens? If they're here and working why not let them pay taxes?

True that not only illegal aliens use ITINs, but I imagine that a lot of these are.

What exactly is the big problem here? That illegals aren't giving their real address to the taxman? *shrug* I can understand why they might be a little wary on giving driving directions to the family house to federal officials.

Can we just be happy that conservatives have learned illegals do pay taxes?
That you don't seem to want to live in a country having any "immigration laws" is noted. Thanks for contributing. :wave:
 
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That you don't seem to want to live in a country having any "immigration laws" is noted. Thanks for contributing. :wave:

The IRS is not responsible for immigration enforcement. The IRS is responsible for collecting taxes on money earned here. Your work status is irrelevant. You worked, made money, and owe taxes. The IRS needs to do what it can to collect those taxes due.
 
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The IRS is not responsible for immigration enforcement.
That the IRS is irresponsible in regards to immigration is more correct.
The IRS is responsible for collecting taxes on money earned here.
True
Your work status is irrelevant.
False.

No tax ID. No work. It's not complicated.
You worked, made money, and owe taxes.
No tax ID. No work. It's not complicated.
The IRS needs to do what it can to collect those taxes due.
The IRS has a responsibility to answer directly to the citizens of the United States. It's not complicated.

No tax ID. No work. It's not complicated. The IRS has been criminally complicit. It's time to abolish the IRS.
 
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That the IRS is irresponsible in regards to immigration is more correct.

The IRS's job is to collect taxes. It has no part to play in immigration enforcement. That's ICE's job. Division of labor.

No tax ID. No work. It's not complicated.

But that is not the IRS's role. That is ICE's role. That is the employer's role. The IRS's role is this: If work, then pay tax. It doesn't matter if you were legally allowed to work. If you did work then you owe tax and the IRS needs to collect it.

The IRS has a responsibility to answer directly to the citizens of the United States. It's not complicated.

What does that have to do with ITINs or any part of what we're discussing?

The IRS has been criminally complicit. It's time to abolish the IRS.

Wrong on both counts sir.
 
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The IRS's job is to collect taxes. It has no part to play in immigration enforcement. That's ICE's job. Division of labor.
Everybody has a part to play in legitimate governance and a civil society.

If the IRS is working counter to that, then it's time to replace it.
But that is not the IRS's role.
Incorrect.

The IRS has played a major role enforcing criminal laws since its very inception. The IRS brought down some of the most notorious criminals in the nation's history. To claim otherwise shows either ignorance of history or some amount of disingenuousness.
That is ICE's role.
ICE is just one component of a functioning lawful and civil society.
That is the employer's role.
Employers have in large measure been prevented from doing that because of discrimination claims. When illegal immigrants provide Tax ID the employer's responsibility is done.

It is very much the IRS's responsibility to provide tax IDs to citizens of the country, but not to illegal immigrants.
The IRS's role is this: If work, then pay tax. It doesn't matter if you were legally allowed to work. If you did work then you owe tax and the IRS needs to collect it.
LOL ... wouldn't it be nice if the IRS limited itself to just a few simple functions.
 
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Why shouldn't the IRS issue ITINs to illegal aliens? If they're here and working why not let them pay taxes?

True that not only illegal aliens use ITINs, but I imagine that a lot of these are.

What exactly is the big problem here? That illegals aren't giving their real address to the taxman? *shrug* I can understand why they might be a little wary on giving driving directions to the family house to federal officials.

Can we just be happy that conservatives have learned illegals do pay taxes?

Okay how exactly can 24,000 people live in the same building?
 
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Everybody has a part to play in legitimate governance and a civil society.


I hope that IRS employees help elderly ladies across the street too, but when you show up for work you have a job to do. If you work for ICE that job is to enforce immigration law. If you work for the IRS that job is to collect taxes.

The problem for the IRS is that if you report suspected illegal immigrants to DHS then they hide from you and the taxes they owe are much harder to collect. A 'nice thing to do' undermines your agency's #1 mission. So they shouldn't do it. They have a job to do.

The IRS has played a major role enforcing criminal laws since its very inception. The IRS brought down some of the most notorious criminals in the nation's history. To claim otherwise shows either ignorance of history or some amount of disingenuousness.

Capone was taken down for tax evasion. Dealing with tax enforcement is a primary responsibility of the IRS. Enforcing immigration policy is not part of their mission. That they brought down a notorious gangster on tax evasion charges was convenient.

ICE is just one component of a functioning lawful and civil society.

But they are the component that has the responsibility of enforcing immigration law, unlike the IRS.

Employers have in large measure been prevented from doing that because of discrimination claims. When illegal immigrants provide Tax ID the employer's responsibility is done.

An ITIN is not valid proof of eligibility to work in the US. If employers want to pretend that it is that's on their hands. This is a lame excuse.

It is very much the IRS's responsibility to provide tax IDs to citizens of the country, but not to illegal immigrants.

Not true sir. The IRS's job is to collect taxes due to the federal government. Legal and illegal immigrants alike are issued ITINs so that they can pay taxes on income earned here.
 
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Capone was taken down for tax evasion. Dealing with tax enforcement is a primary responsibility of the IRS. Enforcing immigration policy is not part of their mission. That they brought down a notorious gangster on tax evasion charges was convenient.
Accepting that argument requires blinders ...
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... as have numerous others recently. But don't let me influence what you need to believe.

It seems to be a repeating pattern. :doh:
 
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